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There is still nothing that puts the average Frieza soldiers above Raditz, especially since Raditz is a mid-class warrior and was on the elite team with Nappa and Vegeta, proving he's very strong for a saiyan
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nah he wasn't he was a low class sayian and thought he got in vegeta team because of bardock iircThere is still nothing that puts the average Frieza soldiers above Raditz, especially since Raditz is a mid-class warrior and was on the elite team with Nappa and Vegeta, proving he's very strong for a saiyan
In canon Bardock just said Raditz went with Vegeta and Nappa's team. Not that he sent him to themnah he wasn't he was a low class sayian and thought he got in vegeta team because of bardock iirc
Krillin even said jaco was strong when he fought against freiza force soldiers
he referred to as a low class to mid class warrior this still wouldn't change the fact that raditz movement would be slow to jaco as he can see fight on ssb and higher even Krillin couldn't see the fight and jaco is able to taken on many moon level threatsIn canon Bardock just said Raditz went with Vegeta and Nappa's team. Not that he sent him to them
Also his DB wiki page disagrees with you here
that suggest otherwise when jaco fought the freiza force soldiers without flying and out maneuver all of then and beat them with his gunThat still doesn't mean Jaco would be able to dodge the attacks. Jaco isn't really a good fighter, and mostly would rely on his gun to hit Raditz, which aren't going to one shot him with means Raditz can easily close the distance and pummel Jaco with far superior hand to hand combat experince and far more versatile moveset
Raditz can sense Jaco's power level on his scouter, and Jaco is also quite arrogant himself. Not to mention nothing proves the Frieza Force Soldiers are Raditz level aside from that one comment on the speed part.that suggest otherwise when jaco fought the freiza force soldiers without flying and out maneuver all of then and beat them with his gun
his eyes should allow him to dodge most of his attack as raditz attacks are going to be slow and you forget raditz is over arrogant and see jaco noting which he let his guard down and jaco can shoot him continually and beat him it take probably2 to 3 shot as each shot are able to take moon level threats down
jaco would be faster then radtiz going off battle wiki and his feats
There were second class soldiers that are able to take hits from the z fighter bare in mind the z fighter were holding back but needless to says there were able to damage master roshi and other while jaco wasn't harmed at all iircRaditz can sense Jaco's power level on his scouter, and Jaco is also quite arrogant himself. Not to mention nothing proves the Frieza Force Soldiers are Raditz level aside from that one comment on the speed part.
His lazer gun should be able to hurt raditz or kill him as lazergun can kill or capture many moon level threatsand also the freiza force soldiers were shown to take down bardock squad
Love that referrenceDude, Jaco's only feat worth a damn is taking out low end frieza fodder. If I had a dollar for everytime it was said the Saiyans paled the majority of the Frieza force, I'd have like, 5$, which isnt a lot but the fact it happened that many times is telling.
But regardless yeah. I'll probably do a Jaco CRT myself to question his ratings
The only issue is just the scaling to Raditz thing. Other than that I'm perfectly fine with Jaco being 5-CI dont even have an issue with the rating. It's just, well there's a good reason why Jaco is Moon lv and Raditz is At least Moon lv.
It's because of the fact that Raditz is >>> Moon lv characters like Piccolo, and needless to say, frieza fodder.
freiza said there were second class warrior which Jaco took down the soldiers scale to moon levelHis laser gun has no feats saying it could. That's ignoring that Raditz > baseline Moon lv.
You mean Dodoria, one of Frieza's right hand men, took down Bardock's squad. In noncanon mind you, but either way, it was the fodder grunts, the fodder grunts hat Jaco took out are nowhere near a Saiyan's power, there's a good reason why the Saiyans were heralded as the most fearsome part of Frieza's army and made up like half it's offensive force despite being a single race, it's because they were >>>>>. everything else bar a few high elites.
Dude, Jaco's only feat worth a damn is taking out low end frieza fodder. If I had a dollar for everytime it was said the Saiyans paled the majority of the Frieza force, I'd have like, 5$, which isnt a lot but the fact it happened that many times is telling.
freiza said there were second class warrior which Jaco took down the soldiers scale to moon level
jaco would have the superior speed
superior vision
raditz left his guard down numerous times such as piccolo firing the special beam cannon and many others
we see in db leaving there guard down can drastically decrease there durability which one leaves them wide open
going by vs battle wiki jaco has the speed advantage with vision advantage and it shown to have speed advantage by out maneuver dozens of freiza force soldiers even though there weak there still moon level and was able to fly while jaco on the ground wasn't flyingReactions, he has better reactions and perception, doesnt mean he can move that fast or attack that fast.
that still shows him being off guard and paying to much attention to the scouter which surprised him this shows he would pay attention to his scouter and head in to battle without a care as raditz would think he stronger but would later realise he can't land an attack which shows him being surprised which can lead to him being of guard or jaco just shoot from a distance with his weaponSame as above.
Yeah, you're ignoring context. With Goku he thought he was down for the count, didnt expect such tenacity. With Gohan, well that was completely fair, a small child went from having a pl of 1 to several hundred in a split second and he had no idea what the **** was going on. And The last time wasnt him being offguard, it was him being busy dealing with another character. I can point out times throughout the fight he was shown to be onguard as well fyi and perceptive to his environment.
Though, this doesn't matter, Jaco doesnt have help here, everytime he was caught off guard was because of the interference of having to deal with multiple people at once.
nope doesnt apply to that goku got shot by lazer goku got hit by rock and it hurt or off guard freiza getting hurt and many other occasionsThat only really applies to characters who are naturally a certain level. Raditzs' > Moon level in the same vain an offguard Frieza is still >>>>>>>>>>>>> Planet level. Also the same applies to Jaco fyi, and Jaco has a quite a handful of examples of being kinda incompetent and ******* up.
jaco fight for justice he ain't going to sit down and be killed lolJaco isnt gonna be getting up like Goku does after getting floored, Jaco is gonna be staying down.
And that's assuming Raditz punches him or something, if Raditz just nukes the area, which he very well might given he has before, Jaco is kinda ******.
going by vs battle wiki jaco has the speed advantage with vision advantage and it shown to have speed advantage by out maneuver dozens of freiza force soldiers even though there weak there still moon level and was able to fly while jaco on the ground wasn't flying
that still shows him being off guard and paying to much attention to the scouter which surprised him this shows he would pay attention to his scouter and head in to battle without a care as raditz would think he stronger but would later realise he can't land an attack which shows him being surprised which can lead to him being of guard or jaco just shoot from a distance with his weapon
heck even is mid ranker office name appule is stronger then raditz
nope doesnt apply to that goku got shot by lazer goku got hit by rock and it hurt or off guard freiza getting hurt and many other occasions
jaco fight for justice he ain't going to sit down and be killed lol
well no shit of course there going be difference in ap it that raditz ap is not that much higher then jacoReaction advantage. That's it, he does outmaneuver frieza grunts. Which are below Raditz.
And? ******* Demon King Piccolo is a moon level character and Raditz would punch him once and he'd explode. Just because they're both moon level doesnt mean there isnt a huge gap.
Hell early Roshi is moon level and Piccolo >>> Roshi, and theyre moon level too. It's a big tier dude.
Raditz>>Goku>Piccolo>23rd Goku>23rd Piccolo>>Kami>Popo>Demon King Saga Goku>Demon King Piccolo>>Roshi>Moon level.
raditz pay tooo much attention to his scooter power levelOk now in english.
He a mid ranking officer not soo stackedAppule is pretty ******* stacked dude compared to the average. The average grunts are exceptionally weak, we see them get memed on by 1k power levels before, like the two the tried to stick up Krillin and Gohan.
freiza be hurt by destruction disk which the baldy throw at himGoku got hit by a rock in noncanon dude. Shit aint canon. Frieza has never been hurt by something drastically weaker then him while offguard, if he's been hurt offguard it's because the attack itself was strong. Goku just has that PIS shit all the time.
The laser did hurt him, true, and? We dont even know how strong that laser was, acting like Jaco's weapons are on par with what was supposed to be Frieza's secret win condition is a bit sus.
nah jaco wasn't even tired went the freiza force soldiers came after himNobody said he'd do it willingly, doesnt mean he's getting up if he's never been shown to have the stamina to get up after getting his face caved in.
jaco faste r better vision reactions and his gunJaco's ONLY advantage here is he has far better perception and reactions. Everything else, goes to Raditz.
You seem to be using hyperbole about Raditz focusing on his scouter.well no shit of course there going be difference in ap it that raditz ap is not that much higher then jaco
raditz pay tooo much attention to his scooter power level
he shown to be of guard because a scooter power level was toooo high like over 9000 you know
ok for serious he just pays to much attention to his scouter which can lead to his down fall
He a mid ranking officer not soo stacked
freiza be hurt by destruction disk which the baldy throw at him
being hurt by gohan by his masenko
nah jaco wasn't even tired went the freiza force soldiers came after him
master roshi was tired and the other z fighters
jaco faste r better vision reactions and his gun
going of battle wiki jaco speed is higher not only his perception and reactions his combat speed
well no shit of course there going be difference in ap it that raditz ap is not that much higher then jaco
ok for serious he just pays to much attention to his scouter which can lead to his down fall
He a mid ranking officer not soo stacked
freiza be hurt by destruction disk which the baldy throw at him/being hurt by gohan by his masenko
nah jaco wasn't even tired went the freiza force soldiers came after him/master roshi was tired and the other z fighters
jaco faste r better vision reactions and his gun
going of battle wiki jaco speed is higher not only his perception and reactions his combat speed
which you proved my point he pays to much attention to his scouterExcept he is. Jaco is moon level. raditz is >>>>>>>>> Moon level.
Of course Jaco is probably above baseline, but Raditz is several oneshots above baseline. There's a pretty hefty gap here.
You realize that's a good thing right? Raditz would know where Jaco is at all times, and he'd know exactly how strong Jaco is and thus how much of a threat he is. If Jaco is as big a threat as you're implying, he'd know not to **** around.
Which is something you're forgetting, Raditz was taken off guard by Goku and friends because they can manipulate their power and gave him a bunch of false warnings and their power was all over the place, which is something Raditz wasnt used to. Now Jaco, Jaco cant do that. Jaco cant manipulate his power, he cant give Raditz false power reading, he cant take Raditz by surprise by having his power jump a lot. He can't, Jaco doesnt have this power, so when Raditz scouts him, that's it, and Jaco cant change that and use what Raditz sees to his benefit.
There are his benefits with his downsideWhich is something you're forgetting, Raditz was taken off guard by Goku and friends because they can manipulate their power and gave him a bunch of false warnings and their power was all over the place, which is something Raditz wasnt used to. Now Jaco, Jaco cant do that. Jaco cant manipulate his power, he cant give Raditz false power reading, he cant take Raditz by surprise by having his power jump a lot. He can't, Jaco doesnt have this power, so when Raditz scouts him, that's it, and Jaco cant change that and use what Raditz sees to his benefit.
says otherwise when he relies on his scouter because something he doesn't understandLike, did you forget that manipulating one's power is a thing not many characters know how to do? Raditz being taken off guard because he relies on his scouter doesnt apply here, the scouter is only beneficial to Raditz in this context.
goku black was off guard and shot by rifle even though he didn't get damaged shows his reflex reaction speed was drastically decreased over he didn't know he was going to get shotThe Destructo Disk isnt him being off guard, that's the Destructo Disk being able to harm people far, far, above the attacker.
Frieza wasnt hurt by the masenko? He was literally pretending.
jaco said he can beat watagash with his spaceship and or his gunThey also were taking on the stronger ones. Jaco didn't even truly fight, he kicked one in the face and that was it. So I stand by exactly what I said, Jaco has zero feats to suggest he'd be able to get back up and fight after being made to eat dirt.
Hell Jaco himself wanted to leave right away, he had to be convinced to stay and he said he'd only take on the small fry,
I went back and watched the episode and all Jaco did was distract a single scared grunt and kick him in the face, that was quite literally it.
that things is raditz probably laugh at jaco for having an gun but wouldn't know how powerful the gun isThat's all he has. And a gun? Raditz has ki attacks, with tremendous AOE, a gun isnt a boon he has over Raditz when Raditz has the same advantages but way, way worse.
ok so say there were on par with speed which suggest otherwise if we're going against battle wiki raditz still not going lay a finger on jaco as his superior vision which he can see all his moves ki blast punching kicking and much moreHis combat speed is stated to be on par with Raditz actually, it's not even considered an advantage here.
Raditz doesn't rely on his scouter this bad, why are you downplaying him, show me every time he used his scouter to see power in all canon DB Media, it will not be above 15, probably not 10.says otherwise when he relies on his scouter because something he doesn't understand
this video shows jaco gun to be very powerful skip to 7:13
The raditz saga or sayian saga suggest otherwiseRaditz doesn't rely on his scouter this bad, why are you downplaying him, show me every time he used his scouter to see power in all canon DB Media, it will not be above 15, probably not 10.
huh my point is that even copy vegeta arms got destroyed by jaco guns which already demonstrated jaco powerThat scene does not look serious and you just proved your own point to go against yourself because I'm sure copy vegeta did not epect Jaco to just shoot him.
You said people can get weaker if they are caught off guard not even alot of messages ago.The raditz saga or sayian saga suggest otherwise
He used it 8 or more times like why does he need to use it more then 10 to 15 times he even used it when kirllin was just walking up to him to check his power level this already shows he relies on his scouter
huh my point is that even copy vegeta arms got destroyed by jaco guns which already demonstrated jaco power
he check his scouter on someone he doesn't knowYou said people can get weaker if they are caught off guard not even alot of messages ago.
He checks his scouter on someone usually once per person and 2 if they grow in power.
How is using it 3 times gonna change anything? How much times did he do it on piccolo, how much on goku, how much on Krillin, How much on Roshi, How much on Gohan?he check his scouter on someone he doesn't know
he check his scouter when someone power level gone up
he check he scouter when something he doesn't understand like jaco who would be dodging all his attacks
I explained it but I do it againHow is using it 3 times gonna change anything? How much times did he do it on piccolo, how much on goku, how much on Krillin, How much on Roshi, How much on Gohan?
yes so why would he use scouter if he has used it since childhood and somehow still doesn't understand how the scouter works?I explained it but I do it again
raditz checks his scouter when something is unknown to him
he also checks his scouter when he doesn't understand something or there got stronger
he going to check jaco power level then he would think he weak or he on same level as him
he going to fight him hand to hand combat with some ki attacks but jaco would dodge all his attacks because over his superior vision which is able to see super sayian blue fight against freiza and then jaco can use his gun to take him down with he superior speed
also scouter only shows battle power level not speed
huh didn't you watch the raditz fight he used his scouter every time like he used it on goku at beginning and when his power went up and used it again on piccolo even for kirllin and others he even used when he didn't understand he legit relies on his scouteryes so why would he use scouter if he has used it since childhood and somehow still doesn't understand how the scouter works?
Raditz can just use AoE by creating a giant beam since he is 5-C
that don't matter because he not going to understand how jaco much more faster then himhe wil never use it more than 3 times in a fight with one person, never has
Also I just want to remind you aboutthat don't matter because he not going to understand how jaco much more faster then him
like your missing my point he going to use the scouter on jaco to check his power level
it going to be comparable to him or less
which he going to fight às a saiyan warrior
when he realize he cannot touch jaco the fight would be over as jaco would of blast him or apprehend him
Whats stopping him from creating a fat explosion thats too big for Jaco to dodge. If Jaco kills raditz in less than 6 hits thats fine but he will realise that he is too slow and explode an area so jaco cant dodgeyes so why would he use scouter if he has used it since childhood and somehow still doesn't understand how the scouter works?
Raditz can just use AoE by creating a giant beam since he is 5-C
raditz is not bloodlusted so he fight him head on rather than just blowing up the whole areaAlso I just want to remind you about
Whats stopping him from creating a fat explosion thats too big for Jaco to dodge. If Jaco kills raditz in less than 6 hits thats fine but he will realise that he is too slow and explode an area so jaco cant dodge
If jaco dodges his attacks could create a big explosion anywaysraditz is not bloodlusted so he fight him head on rather than just blowing up the whole area
jaco has rock booster which could escape the attack but it can only be use once a day