Jiren vs Me

[LordWhis]

Round 1: Speed not equalised Round 2: Speed equalised

Have at thee !

 

[Moathon]

I think a made a post earlier replying that Jiren and Ultra Instinct Goku are apparently equal to the angels due to Ultra Instinct being a technique rather than a transformation, so that would put Jiren and Whis on an even playing field. However, Whis does have the upper hand in combat experience so I'll give that to him. Whis should be able to take it due to better speed FEATS and higher levels of Hax.

 

[LordWhis]

@Moathon:

Wouldn't that make my Boss Beerus as strong as me & my siblings too because he has Ultra Instinct as well ?

 

[Moathon]

@Moathon:

Wouldn't that make my Boss Beerus as strong as me & my siblings too because he has Ultra Instinct as well ?

Like i said, having ultra instinct only puts your raw power on the level of an angel, but mastering it and controlling it completely puts you way above anyone else who uses ultra instinct. I go into detail about this here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1006685?useskin=oasis

 

[Sceptilespy]

What. Whis has UI I'm pretty sure. Also, Beerus has barely gotten the hang of UI, as said by himself so it's hardly combat applicable right now. Whis AP and speed stomps Jiren round one. Round two, Jiren is AP stomped.

 

[Ovrhide]

Unless jiren is stated to be nearly as strong as the angels, it will mostlikely be a stomp. UI is irrelavent as jiren is going to fight goku with a Mastered UI, and it will mostlikely be an even fight.

 

[Sceptilespy]

Unless jiren is stated to be nearly as strong as the angels, it will mostlikely be a stomp. UI is irrelavent as jiren is going to fight goku with a Mastered UI, and it will mostlikely be an even fight.

Uh, are you saying UI won't be an advantage? Goku hadn't even come close to mastering UI and he still beat Kefla and landed a hit on Jiren. Just because Jiren is going to fight Goku with UI doesn't mean he'll stand a chance. Regardless, Whis has a higher AP then Goku anyway, so the effectiveness for each differs.

 

[Ovrhide]

Uh, are you saying UI won't be an advantage? Goku hadn't even come close to mastering UI and he still beat Kefla and landed a hit on Jiren. Just because Jiren is going to fight Goku with UI doesn't mean he'll stand a chance. Regardless, Whis has a higher AP then Goku anyway, so the effectiveness for each differs.

UI is irrelavent because it's useful if the opponent doesn't have speed and fighting capabilities to counter. In jirens case, he is able to fully match and fight a UI user easily, and in 129 he is just going to straight up overwhelm UI omen Goku.

My main point was that UI doesn't matter because if Mastered UI goku does turn out to be angel level, and jiren is able to match him, then against whis it would most likely be the same. BTW, if you read carefully, I clearly said that it is a stomp on whis favor unless jiren is stated to be on angel level, which is unlikely. I was throwing in what if's, while giving the logical answer (stomp).

 

[Sceptilespy]

UI is irrelavent because it's useful if the opponent doesn't have speed and fighting capabilities to counter. In jirens case, he is able to fully match and fight a UI user easily, and in 129 he is just going to straight up overwhelm UI omen Goku.

My main point was that UI doesn't matter because if Mastered UI goku does turn out to be angel level, and jiren is able to match him, then against whis it would most likely be the same. BTW, if you read carefully, I clearly said that it is a stomp on whis favor unless jiren is stated to be on angel level, which is unlikely. I was throwing in what if's, while giving the logical answer (stomp).

What? Whis is stronger then Goku in the first place. So if Whis uses UI he'll become stronger then Mastered UI Goku. So what does bringing up Goku even do here?

 

[Ovrhide]

What? Whis is stronger then Goku in the first place. So if Whis uses UI he'll become stronger then Mastered UI Goku. So what does bringing up Goku even do here?

You are definitely not reading what I wrote, or maybe your comprehension skills are very low. IIIIIFFFFF a Mastered goku is stated to be at the level of the angels , IIFFFFF.

Read. Its not that hard.

 

[LordWhis]

@ovrhide:

Edit that out man, you could get into trouble.

 

[Akreious]

No. Mastered UI Goku is not stated to be on the level of Angels yet. Where the hell did you get that, the Scan of Mastered UI Goku? You mean the one where the marketing department has full say?

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Whis vs Jiren huh?

Whis stomps.

Goku and Jiren at this point are on par or higher than GoD level and the Angels are unquantifiably massively above these GoD's and Goku and Jiren haven't been stated to be on their level yet.

Besides Whis is presumably a master of UI and is very experienced with it.

 

[TurboTriangle601]

Depends on if Jiren or Goku could also casually paralyze Beerus or a similarly powered being with a karate chop. So they might possibly be equal.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I find that unlikely at the moment.

Which is why I think Whis >>>>> Jiren and MUI Goku unless specified otherwise.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Jiren because spin and out of this dimension speed OVO

 

[Sceptilespy]

You are definitely not reading what I wrote, or maybe your comprehension skills are very low. IIIIIFFFFF a Mastered goku is stated to be at the level of the angels , IIFFFFF.

Read. Its not that hard.

Where did all this hostility come from first of all. Second of all, UI Goku is objectively not going to be at angel level. Why are you speculating about that. Maybe you're the one not reading, if I keep asking why you're bringing up Goku right now. You keep spamming "IFFFFF" as if that means anything in a debate about the NOWWWW. Did you see it? NOWWWW. Nobody cares about your speculation. This is an objective stomp, no IFFFF, ands or buts about it. Mastered UI Goku will not be angel level. He isn't right now anyway, so who cares about what he might be. This isn't even about Goku. Even if Goku is angel level, then he'll stomp Jiren. We already saw in the most recent episode how he nearly made Jiren vomit after one punch. This will hardly be a fight, and we know Goku is winning, so even IF somehow, someway, Mastered UI Goku as angel level, Jiren even scratching him would be an outlier, and he certainly wouldn't scale to him.

 

[Ovrhide]

Wasn't being hostile. If you took it that way, that's on you. "If", just read those words and you'll understand what I was saying

 

[Sceptilespy]

"You are definitely not reading what I wrote, or maybe your comprehension skills are very low. IIIIIFFFFF a Mastered goku is stated to be at the level of the angels , IIFFFFF.

Read. Its not that hard."

is considered hostile here. Even the OC told you to edit that out since you could get in trouble. Your comment was pointless anyway since it was just speculation.

 

[Ovrhide]

Not hostile at all. If you think that's hostile, reported. Let an admin decide if it is. If you think that's hostile, Then you haven't seen much here.

My comment was also not pointless, because that "what if" is due to jiren and goku not showing what they can fully do yet. So it's very valid

 

[Sceptilespy]

Not hostile at all. If you think that's hostile, reported. Let an admin decide if it is. If you think that's hostile, Then you haven't seen much here.
My comment was also not pointless, because that "what if" is due to jiren and goku not showing what they can fully do yet. So it's very valid

But this battle is based on what we know they can do, so speculation is pointless. Also, I could say the same to you. A mod was called hostile by another mod for calling out a logical fallacy. What you did is definitely hostile here, and it's generally considered hostile in debates. "Read. It's not hard." If you can genuninely say you weren't being snarky in the least then there's I suppose we're done here.

 

[Ovrhide]

Well, we keep finding out even more. A couple minutes ago. A poster was published reavealing UI goku to be beyond the realm of Hakaishins. And jiren was stated in the same poster to be the mighties foe (key word there is foe, whis was never a foe, but beerus was).

https://mobile.twitter.com/Herms98/status/966884346635300869

Again, not saying they beat whis (very unlikely) but they are beyond hakaishin tier

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

This definitely puts MUI Goku and Jiren inbeetwen Hakaishin level and Angel level.

Although since there is no confirmation that they have reached Angel level yet then Whis >>>> MUI Goku >= Jiren

 

[Ovrhide]

This definitely puts MUI Goku and Jiren inbeetwen Hakaishin level and Angel level.

Although since there is no confirmation that they have reached Angel level yet then Whis >>>> MUI Goku >= Jiren

Yes, until further notice, that's how the scale should be

 

[Aeyu]

This is inconclusive for the time being, but I'm going to go with Whis until anything suggesting a near-angel level of power is mentioned in some manner.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Whis also has better feats, since a near-full power Jiren seemed to be struggling against SSJBKKx20 Goku and BSSJB Vegeta who should be on or close to Hakaishin level while Whis in an extremely casual fashion is able to one-shot and restrain a God of Destruction.

 

[Ovrhide]

Jiren didn't struggle with ssb kaioken x20 goku or anyone to be exact. He is far above that even while suppressed, since UI omen goku is far superior to ssbkk20, and jiren is going to overwhelm that.

But can someone close this? Is pretty obvious that whis is going to stomp either of them.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Well im just saying he was definitely not able to one-shot them as casual as Whis can.

Anyways @Aeyu yes I think this should be closed.

 

[Aeyu]

Okay, I will do so.