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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

There's good feats, they're just hard to scale.
 
CBslayeR said:
OVA just built diff, (too bad most of the feats are 9-A+)
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9-A...?
Gonna have to disagree with you hard there...
Ignoring the building throw and the boat lifting, the lifting car feat basically fodder here. The Oil Tanker feat, assuming it's full on fuel, should actually already be enough to get High DIO and Star Platinum to scale to 8-B actually...
 
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I got the information from Quora of all places...

"It actually depends more on the number of axles and the spacing between axles or groups thereof; a typical five axle semi, regardless of whether it's a tanker or a flatbed or a refrigerated or dry van trailer, will have a maximum legal gross weight of 80,000 pounds on most highways in the US.

There are exceptions, and there's a whole big ugly formula to figure out each truck's actual max gross, but frankly it's a pain in the butt. The whole maximum weight and size rule takes up four pages in my highway atlas. 80,000 is a pretty good rule of thumb for a five axle semi."
 
Then there goes OVA Jotaro redirecting High DIO's punch with his own arm instead of Star Platinum's for some reason...recieving...minimal damage to his arm after the fact? Sure, it had to be put into a sling, but for his arm to take most of the brunt of DIO's punch without his bones completely breaking should be a feat. He also redirected DIO's fist, which was mere inches away, before it could connect with his face.
 
The building throw is bad. It's not even Class K. The manga and anime eclipses the ova in LS by likely hundreds of not thousands of times over.
The oil tanker feat using ground burst is only 9-A+, though it was a fuel explosion so it might actually be 8-B.
The boat feat is at minimum 8-C, but canon is High 8-C+.

Only big notable feats beyond the boat is probably Dio deflecting ES, HP blowing the top off a building, and a few other minor ones like justice RKE we cant do anything with because OVA obviously lacks the same amount of plat/tw hype the manga does.

Anime JoJo actually has better high end feats, the obvious Dio having 7-C beams, Kars having two big ass explosion feats, rel ke on a plat punch, etc.
 
Chariot190 said:
The building throw is bad. It's not even Class K. The manga and anime eclipses the ova in LS by likely hundreds of not thousands of times over.
The oil tanker feat using ground burst is only 9-A+, though it was a fuel explosion so it might actually be 8-B.
The boat feat is at minimum 8-C, but canon is High 8-C+.

Only big notable feats beyond the boat is probably Dio deflecting ES, HP blowing the top off a building, and a few other minor ones like justice RKE we cant do anything with because OVA obviously lacks the same amount of plat/tw hype the manga does.

Anime JoJo actually has better high end feats, the obvious Dio having 7-C beams, Kars having two big ass explosion feats, rel ke on a plat punch, etc.
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Wait are we considering Movie feats to scale or not?
 
Kars has like two 8-A feats. Both durability.
And the high end feats scale to Hamon in the anime, and Plats high end obviously scales to his durability due to third law.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Wait are we considering Movie feats to scale or not?
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We do, we just can't scale it because how can we scale for a fight we've never seen?

It's one of those things were yeah we 100% know Dio would ******* murk Will. But we don't actually have the fight to show he did, can, or any scaling. Lost media ***** the PB movie, it's canon, but we can't use anything because we can't prove anything. Dio allegedly makes his big ass 8-A castle too with hax, but we can't use that because we can't prove that.
 
It definitely isn't 8-A, otherwise that bridge wouldn't be standing.
 
Anime Jotaro has a 7-C feat if you wanna get wanky.
And actually does scale to an 8-B feat due to an extra scene in HP.
 
Chariot190 said:
We do, we just can't scale it because how can we scale for a fight we've never seen?

It's one of those things were yeah we 100% know Dio would ******* murk Will. But we don't actually have the fight to show he did, can, or any scaling. Lost media ***** the PB movie, it's canon, but we can't use anything because we can't prove anything. Dio allegedly makes his big ass 8-A castle too with hax, but we can't use that because we can't prove that.
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All we can say is **** DIO, he's the cause of all this
 
You need to calc it and get it accepted

And then cry because inverse square law.
 
Speaking of...
OVA Jotaro took The World's hits like a champ, only suffering a little bit of organ damage due to the blows which isn't detrimental to durability at all.

Haemoptysis
Haemoptysis is the act of coughing up blood. This is caused from the force of blunt attacks damaging blood vessels, causing blood and fluids to build up in your lungs. This created the popular notion that characters are getting their durability bypassed. This a flawed way of scaling, as organs and blood vessels are weaker than the actual body.
 
Jotaro explicitly has Plat passively protecting him even when not summoned.
They elaborate on that in the episode before the Dio fight.

The only times that isn't exactly the case is when Plat is out doing other shit.
 
Wavingthroughawindow999 said:
Speaking of...
OVA Jotaro took The World's hits like a champ, only suffering a little bit of organ damage due to the blows which isn't detrimental to durability at all.

Haemoptysis
Haemoptysis is the act of coughing up blood. This is caused from the force of blunt attacks damaging blood vessels, causing blood and fluids to build up in your lungs. This created the popular notion that characters are getting their durability bypassed. This a flawed way of scaling, as organs and blood vessels are weaker than the actual body.
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No broken bones here, unlike other Jotaro's... His durability, admittedly, did reach it's peak when he redirected High DIO's punch. Said redirection sent him flying down to the ground, and leave his arm in a sling after the fight was over. But considering High DIO literally lifted up an entire Oil Tanker full on fuel, considering that massive explosion. I'd say he isn't doing too bad in the durability department.
 
No he actually did, in the previous episode he got punched by the world, and said he got a few ribs broken, and that was with plat protecting. Only reason he didn't die was due to that protection. The ova just doesn't have x-ray shots that's all.


It's actually why he had the boards under his shirt, he was using the wood to set his bones back in place.
 
Chariot190 said:
No he actually did, in the previous episode he got punched by the world, and said he got a few ribs broken, and that was with plat protecting. Only reason he didn't die was due to that protection. The ova just doesn't have x-ray shots that's all.


It's actually why he had the boards under his shirt, he was using the wood to set his bones back in place.
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*Gets a couple broken ribs from The World punching him, doesn't die only due to Star Platinum's interference.
*Manages to move High DIO's fist out of the way with his own arm at the last second, only sprains it?
*Then proceeds to survive a whole explosion dead-on???
 
The second one is evidently Star Platinum. It's established that when Plat isn't out manifested, he's instead amping Jotaro, Star Platinum manifested moments after that.

The oil tanker feat might not even be that good, it could be as low as 9-A+, it being 8-B relies on it being completely full. And then you need to account for Jotaros body area, which is gonna drop it some no matter. If it's 8-B, it'd probably only end up High 8-C after factoring that in. And that's also assuming Plat didn't protect him from the blast.
 
Anyway, I don't know why I went on a side tangent about the OVA, but anyway. The stand I was originally talking about was King Crimson. So, after looking at the anime's interpretation of Time Erase and the manga's, I've come to the conclusion that...David Productions fundamentally ****** up King Crimson's visual adaptation so bad from a logical perspective. There might actually need to be a separation between anime King Crimson and Manga King Crimson's profiles... Funnily enough, this topic was actually supposed to be my first-ever CRT.
 
Well, we all know King Crimson erases time in the manga, that much is for absolute certain and anybody who argues otherwise shouldn't be taken seriously in any fashion. However, while the manga correctly shows this happening with everybody who isn't Diavolo never actually moving at all within Time Erase, fated juxtapositions filling the gap between the first and last "frames" of time so to speak. The anime doesn't follow this concept, visually speaking, instead having people MOVE, yes, actually MOVE PHYSICALLY in period of erased time with red tellings of their future selves laid out infront of Diavolo's eyes... Here's why that's heavily problematic, especially when we're dealing with time that's been erased. Within time erasure as a basic concept, time as a rate of change should be completely halted for someone that remains within said time that's been erased. No physical progression can happen of course, as there's simply no time for said physical progression to occur. The manga shows how actual time erasure should work, the anime does not for whatever reason even if the source material was right there.
 
Wavingthroughawindow999 said:
Well, we all know King Crimson erases time in the manga, that much is for absolute certain and anybody who argues otherwise shouldn't be taken seriously in any fashion. However, while the manga correctly shows this happening with everybody who isn't Diavolo never actually moving at all within Time Erase, fated juxtapositions filling the gap between the first and last "frames" of time so to speak. The anime doesn't follow this concept, visually speaking, instead having people MOVE, yes, actually MOVE PHYSICALLY in period of erased time with red tellings of their future selves laid out infront of Diavolo's eyes... Here's why that's heavily problematic, especially when we're dealing with time that's been erased. Within time erasure as a basic concept, time as a rate of change should be completely halted for someone that remains within said time that's been erased. No physical progression can happen of course, as there's simply no time for said physical progression to occur. The manga shows how actual time erasure should work, the anime does not for whatever reason even if the source material was right there.
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True, I never stopped to notice that in the manga he erases time and basically the universe tries to fill in what he erased while in the anime he doesn't erase time but rather removes himself from time.
 
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