Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[YukaSama4]

It's not explicit

So what if Gege meant this:

One lives (he means Sukuna wins, because if he wins, that's still considered that the host lives, uk Kenjaku said the cg will end when everyone dies except Megumi and Geto, so Megumi is still considered alive by the current terms)


Everyone lives but one (the good people win and Sukuna get killed with his host, pretty simple)

So Gojo and Nobara are making a comeback, unless Sukuna wins which wouldn't happen because evil will always lose.

Sweating copium out of my skin

 

[Duedate8898]

I haven't read the latest chapter since official release is tommorow, so I have no idea what you're talking about. But currently, the only one who has to die is Gojo unless we get something from the adaptation of Shibuya that makes Nobara's fate still certain.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I find it funny how Ryu and Uro claims yuta has boundless cursed energy but Yuta gets depleted first even though Ryu has more output power than yuta. Does this mean yuta has less cursed energy efficiency? Dude just uses CE like left and right without any worry?

 

[Duedate8898]

It should be remembered that Yuta did a lot more fighting before than either Ryu or Uro did before they all started going at it. He'd used RCT quite a fair bit, and had been taking a lot more hits than anyone else there. It's less that CE efficency wasn't the best and more that he was doing a lot.

 

[Shey]

Yuta fought Dhruv and Kurouroshi, prior to that battle, but considering he didn't really use RCT up until his last two fight, idk, his stamina and efficiency might be really weird or Gege really wanted a reason to show us his 5 minute man mode

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It should be remembered that Yuta did a lot more fighting before than either Ryu or Uro did before they all started going at it. He'd used RCT quite a fair bit, and had been taking a lot more hits than anyone else there. It's less that CE efficency wasn't the best and more that he was doing a lot.

But Ryu statement came after Dhruv died and Yuta fought Kurourushi later.

Yuta fought Dhruv and Kurouroshi, prior to that battle, but considering he didn't really use RCT up until his last two fight, idk, his stamina and efficiency might be really weird or Gege really wanted a reason to show us his 5 minute man mode

LMAO. I mean Yuta can make a guess of Sukuna cursed energy being more than twice than his but Ryu and Uro couldn't guess how much Cursed Energy yuta has until it ran out kinda funny NGL.

 

[Duedate8898]

Since he was healing from fatal damage from Kurouroshi, and also blocking strikes from Uro and tanking hits from Ryu's granite blast and his generally high output no matter, when he's also healing damage on top of that I do think its fair for even someone with Yuta pool of CE to start running low. The only person we've ever seen heal more in a fight was Gojo.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

What’s the status on the calc? The FTL one, by the way.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What’s the status on the calc? The FTL one, by the way.

If others are OK I will create a thread for that. Also only 3 threads can be active for a verse. I'm pretty sure Arkenis already keeping 3-4 threads active already. Really it would be pain to deal with RVR.

 

[Duedate8898]

So actually we only have three threads open at the moment, and I'll probably be closing one of them soon. Besides that, whose been making profiles for the verse lately? Higruma, Kashimo (which is currently using leaks), Hakari, and Kenjaku appear to have just been added recently

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

So actually we only have three threads open at the moment, and I'll probably be closing one of them soon. Besides that, whose been making profiles for the verse lately? Higruma, Kashimo (which is currently using leaks), Hakari, and Kenjaku appear to have just been added recently

I have 3 profiles ready for death paintings. Needs some work. Next I will try to work on Kurourushi. It got pretty good Immortality and chill abilities.

 

[Catpija]

I got Takaba

Atoek D Alang/Fumihiko Takaba

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Giannysmag]

So actually we only have three threads open at the moment, and I'll probably be closing one of them soon. Besides that, whose been making profiles for the verse lately? Higruma, Kashimo (which is currently using leaks), Hakari, and Kenjaku appear to have just been added recently

I made the Higuruma profile, someone else maade the other three

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I never mentioned deadlock or anything

Never had to, that was the context of the fight.

What does pure power has anything to do here? You can say Yuta was holding back but it doesn't make Rika was holding too. That's some crazy headcanon you will need prove.

Because Rika explicitly follows Yuta’s commands, and when directly asked what weapon Yuta wants, he goes for the blunt, non-lethal steel arm instead of the numerous bladed weapons she offered. Even if you don’t believe she was holding back, that doesn’t change my point.

Rika AP and Durability scales slightly above Yuta according to Ryu. Uro tanked multiple combo hits from both of them.

That’s fine, Yuta was still holding back in lethality.

Also what do you mean Ryu one shot Rika bruh blasting someone too far ≠ damaging their durability. Rika was blasted outside of his range not that he done any significant damage. LMAO

Read the series.

Also after the DE yeah CT Burnout which everyone has so stop saying like Uro got blasted off at full power and don't forget that uro was off-guard+ one arm was down.

I never said she did. That also doesn’t matter, since again, despite the burnout, Ryu’s GB can overpower Yuta’s FP CE blast, then one-shot Rika. Ryu is objectively far stronger.

You are also taking the statements of Yuta was holding back as literally when he might win the fight uro or ryu at a time but his sole AP and Durability wouldn't be any higher in culling game.

I don’t get what you’re saying.

Dhruv countered Uro too, she said since Dhruv and Kuro are no longer here there's no reason to let Ryu go.
Also Yuta countered her with Dhruv Shikigamis so yeah.

Cool, forgot about that, doesn’t change that was from abilities, not necessarily stats.

Ryu scales massively higher above Uro he wouldn't have problem with her, in fact the 3 domains cancelled each other indicating they were evenly matched, that's why they wanted to remove Rika from the fight.

Because of barrier conditions, not because of any relativity, lol.

Uro is relative to Ryu and she counters him

Through hax.

The main point that I was proposing is that we will know how to scale Kashimo to the others, it doesn't matter if you want Ryu above Yorozu or anything, if Kashimo did anything impressive he will end up scaling above all of them including Ryu

That’s fine? I’m saying Yorozu is demonstrably low, and not scalable to Kashimo.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Because Rika explicitly follows Yuta’s commands, and when directly asked what weapon Yuta wants, he goes for the blunt, non-lethal steel arm instead of the numerous bladed weapons she offered. Even if you don’t believe she was holding back, that doesn’t change my point

Well if you want to believe your beliefs sure I don't push it. Agree to disagree before that I will just post the part from my Arguments for the last time.

Rika wasn't holding back. Heck she even reached a new level during the fight
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_179_tcb_003.png

That’s fine, Yuta was still holding back in lethality.

Why would Holding Back AP = Durability?
Also narrative Statement still states Ryu has more Output than even fully manifested Rika.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_tcb_180_002.png

Read the series.

I did and Rika has feats for taking hits from full power Ryu. This one for destroyed because of time limit. TCB scans states it wasa difficult to deal with not one shot kill. Also don't forget this was Ryu who was furious and attack with full killing intention. The damage Rika gave made him use more force than previously using.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_tcb_180_011.png
I will try to check the raws later
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_tcb_180_012.png

I never said she did. That also doesn’t matter, since again, despite the burnout, Ryu’s GB can overpower Yuta’s FP CE blast, then one-shot Rika. Ryu is objectively far stronger.

I'm talking about output and yes after DE Clash Uro would be weaker if both fights without DE. Both has same level of AP and Durability.

She was able to tank multiple hits from Rika and Yuta combined
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjksendai5_178_006.png
Same Rika which is stated to be on same level as Yuta in power
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjksendai5_178_008.png
Also don't see how Ryu Combat speed is slightly above Okkotsu
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/jjk/jjk_tcb_177_006.png
Yuta even got damaged from Ryu blasts
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/jjk/jjk_tcb_177_011.png
Same Blast Ryu himself can tank it
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/jjk/jjk_tcb_177_014.png
Ryu was furious I don't see a reason from him to hold back here against Uro. So he took a full power blast on himself.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/jjk/jjk_tcb_177_012.png


Rika Damaged Ryu and Same Rika was able to give a beating to Uro which already shows both has Relative durability.

Ryu output > Yutas output with Rika manifestation.(narratively stated)
Ryu got defeated with his own technique.
So overall Uro scales to Ryu if she wins or Loses that's a different thing.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[ZKillerz]

Well if you want to believe your beliefs sure I don't push it. Agree to disagree before that I will just post the part from my Arguments for the last time.

Rika wasn't holding back. Heck she even reached a new level during the fight
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_179_tcb_003.png

Why would Holding Back AP = Durability?
Also narrative Statement still states Ryu has more Output than even fully manifested Rika.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_tcb_180_002.png

I did and Rika has feats for taking hits from full power Ryu. This one for destroyed because of time limit. TCB scans states it wasa difficult to deal with not one shot kill. Also don't forget this was Ryu who was furious and attack with full killing intention. The damage Rika gave made him use more force than previously using.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_tcb_180_011.png
I will try to check the raws later
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_tcb_180_012.png

I'm talking about output and yes after DE Clash Uro would be weaker if both fights without DE. Both has same level of AP and Durability.

She was able to tank multiple hits from Rika and Yuta combined
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjksendai5_178_006.png
Same Rika which is stated to be on same level as Yuta in power
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjksendai5_178_008.png
Also don't see how Ryu Combat speed is slightly above Okkotsu
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/jjk/jjk_tcb_177_006.png
Yuta even got damaged from Ryu blasts
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/jjk/jjk_tcb_177_011.png
Same Blast Ryu himself can tank it
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/jjk/jjk_tcb_177_014.png
Ryu was furious I don't see a reason from him to hold back here against Uro. So he took a full power blast on himself.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/jjk/jjk_tcb_177_012.png


Rika Damaged Ryu and Same Rika was able to give a beating to Uro which already shows both has Relative durability.

Ryu output > Yutas output with Rika manifestation.(narratively stated)
Ryu got defeated with his own technique.
So overall Uro scales to Ryu if she wins or Loses that's a different thing.

Agree with this message but how do you scale uro's ap?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Agree with this message but how do you scale uro's ap?

She doesn't have any AP feats. Most of her attacks comes from Reflection. So

Ryu durability ~ Uros durability
Ryu AP > Uro in AP.

 

[ZKillerz]

She doesn't have any AP feats. Most of her attacks comes from Reflection. So

Ryu implies that yuta needs rct for uro's attacks

 

[Giannysmag]

I have faith in Himji Wakari

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ryu implies that yuta needs rct for uro's attacks

Yeah but Ryu has more CE Output he would scale above her naturally

 

[YukaSama4]

Kaiyo is wrong, or at least its really unknown

Firstly I'm sure you can resist Uraume's freezing with high CE or so, Hakari has unlimited, 2nd Uraume barely blocked PB while Hakari almost dodged lightning in JP, 3rd Hakari's domain is strong in domain clashes because the activation of his CT is quick, so even if Uraume has a domain we don't know how it will go, you can't ignore the domain clash and jump into assuming she will overwhelm Hakari's domain completely and freeze him to death.


He is trolling atm tbh, he even says that Gojo can only win against Kashimo if Kashimo doesn't have a domain

 

[YukaSama4]

Also he's still trying to get this binding vow shit involved in Kashimo's CT even when it's clearly not the case

 

[Quantu]

Viz Translations are out.

TLDR: John Werry is back, translations are ass, my head is gone

 

[Duedate8898]

Looks like we do have some feet for the lightspeed stuff. The Kashimo fighting Sukuna is stronger and faster than the one that fought Hakari, Sukuna appears to block all of the soundwaves, he has lightning with his cursed tool, and he does appear to clearly dodge the EM waves

 

[YukaSama4]

Sometimes it feels that the guy who translates jjk at viz hasn't read jjk, he just translates the text that they give him, because there's no ******* way you will give Gojo cursed spirit manipulation if you've read jjk

Viz also seems to have ruined the last panel of the new chapter

 

[Duedate8898]

What about cursed spirit manipulation?

And what's wrong with the last panel?

 

[YukaSama4]

What about cursed spirit manipulation?

And what's wrong with the last panel?

This here

As for the last panel in the new chapter, it sounds weird because

He can repair flesh by transforming as a curse taking fleshly form? How does that even work, Gege's note at the end of the chapter indicates that Yorozu could've done the same but she couldn't because she already switched everything except her face, Yorozu isn't a curse though, Shishiso and TCB mentioned something about "incarnation" which makes more sense

 

[GTsek]

Translations into other languages are more correct. Basically it would be like this: "In addition to the reverse technique, Sukuna has only one way to restore his body, and it can only be used once... Something he previously paralyzed on purpose... Resume his transformation through reincarnation!!!"

 

[Giannysmag]

Viz on their way to turn yet another translation into incomprehensible jumble

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Spoiler: Ridiculous assumptions

The issue here lies in the assertion that Sukuna moved significantly slower, at a pace considerably below his capability, to intentionally block this attack without any real reason. This logically makes no sense

Spoiler: Impractical decisions

Why would he choose to stand and wait for the attack if he could move 100 times faster than it? Why would Kashimo simply sit back and watch as his slow attack made its way towards Sukuna without taking any action during the downtime? It makes no sense

Spoiler: Inconsistency

Kashimo not only uses this particular ability (which is many times slower than his other attacks) once, but he repeats this action and uses it again. Which suggests that he deems the ability relevant enough to actively utilize during combat against a "Ftl opponent" which again would make no sense

Spoiler: Conclusion

This doesn't outright prove that sukuna isn't ftl, but it does put into question the consistency of this scaling which we can really only determine with more feats and statements.

Or yknow, said sound wave isn't as slow as you're assuming it to be? Heck, the sound wave doesn't have to move at a fixed speed either.
Kashimo is someone who can accelerate the electricity signals of his nerves beyond that of EMW emission, so why can’t he do the same with the frequency his body produces?

Certain soundwaves can be found on the electromagnetic spectrum. Like for example, ultrasonic waves which are simply sound waves based off of eletric signals and move faster than regular soundwaves. That's one
Secondly: The fact that Sukuna dodges a EM at point blank is a big teller for ya. I don't think Gege (who does a lot of research into scientific shit infact lmao. You think he wouldn't be aware of their speed when he knows what mach and a sound wave is? Especially electromagnetic waves.

Would you think it’s like impossible that a guy who can accelerate the electricity signals of his nerves beyond that of EMW emission, can’t do the same with the frequency his body produces?
This would be a major noticeable inconsistency that I really doubt Gege wouldn't be aware of, especially when it is done in the very same chapter, in same panel no less, especially with the whole mach 3 thing Gege waffled on about in the past, which I think should be a good pointer that he does keep track of the narrative with speed scaling. (Putting Electromagnetic waves and sound waves) What I'm telling you here
Is that Gege is focused on speed. He's Def aware of what he's cooking.
https://science.nasa.gov/ems/02_anatomy https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2019/september/power-full-sound-waves.html https://blog.teufelaudio.com/transducers/#:~:text=A sound transducer in a,in air pressure (sound).

Even if you were to disagree and say that isn't stated, that doesn't discredit the fact that the possibility of it being able do that, and the fact that we can't just assume that it is mach 1 or whatever. shrug. (But given how he can accelerate said phenomenon, I'd say that the interpretation I gave has a higher weight than the argument to assume that it caps at mach 1 or some shit./ISPOILER]

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Spoiler

I can actually because Sukuna straight up tanked the sonic scream. He only bothered to dodge the waves because it was the only attack capable of harming him

The thing is he didnt even attempt to dodge it, he just sat there. So unless you wanna argue Sukuna got blitzed by a SoS attack, its far more likely Sukky just didnt want to dodge

Then why would he then bother using a lightning speed and light speed attack right after if he thought a SoS attack was enough

Infact i think Kashimo might just be stupid considering he saw Sukky tank the sonic scream and he still tried to use it again

Didn't Kashimo bait Sukuna with the sound wave attack at the last, where he goes for a punch to where he blitzed Sukuna who was looking at him?

 

[Duedate8898]

This here

That's not the Viz translation. As someone who primarily reads it, this isn't the right page in the slightest. Geto says: "That's obviously true for Satoru Gojo, but Suguru Geto can also wield a grotesque army through his cursed manipulation.

As for the last panel in the new chapter, it sounds weird because

He can repair flesh by transforming as a curse taking fleshly form? How does that even work, Gege's note at the end of the chapter indicates that Yorozu could've done the same but she couldn't because she already switched everything except her face, Yorozu isn't a curse though, Shishiso and TCB mentioned something about "incarnation" which makes more sense

While I do think they made the statement longer, I understand this as him completing his reincarnation because this is Sukuna's true form and it does point out how he had halted this transformation before. It's not that hard to figure out

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This here

The scan you posted is not from Viz Actually.

https://ww2.*****************.com/chapter/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-203/

 

[YukaSama4]

Yeah I saw Duedate comment, but I'm sure it was viz, maybe they fixed it later?
I'm near 100% sure viz did it, because I saw it when their translation came out and many people were shit talking them about this during that time too, and I have the chapter with John Werry translation and it's the same that I posted, also ignoring that very paragraph, the rest of the scan is the same, so I think they fixed it after that which is good

 

[Duedate8898]

No, the chapter has been like that since the official release. Viz doesn't correct the online chapters for until a while later for the most part

 

[Quantu]

Any provisional calcs yet for the Sukuna speed feat

 

[YukaSama4]

No, the chapter has been like that since the official release. Viz doesn't correct the online chapters for until a while later for the most part

I heard they corrected Gojo's statement after he got released they translated it as "No" firstly then fixed it to no I will win or something like this

 

[YukaSama4]

Any provisional calcs yet for the Sukuna speed feat

I think I saw a calc yesterday but I can't remember if it's on vsbw or on other place it was something like 2.5c