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Kefka Palazzo vs Zeref Dragneel
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Also Bloodman and Tempester can use themDragonEmperor23 said:
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I read the description of Keye's power in the FT wiki:
"Keyes' body is made up of thick black particles, allowing him to move similar to a mist and cause both Magic deficiency and illness, as seen after Juvia forcibly exited his body.The said ability allows Keyes to deform and reform his body seemingly at will to avoid physical and magical attacks, though he has also been seen utilizing the ability almost unconsciously, being able to dodge a sneak attack by Gray with no effort at all by morphing his body as soon as the Ice-Make Mage made contact with it. Offensively, Keyes can manipulate the poisonous anti-magic particles in various ways such as spiraling currents, a wave, or an explosion to attack opponents."
Not seeing how the scale of his hax compares to Kefka insta-nulling a bunch of Espers to a powerless state and then oneshotting them right after tbh.
Also description of Anti-Magic Particles says they poison and weaken Magic Users (they may even cause death), it doesn't really say they go and null their powers as far as I have seen.
"Keyes' body is made up of thick black particles, allowing him to move similar to a mist and cause both Magic deficiency and illness, as seen after Juvia forcibly exited his body.The said ability allows Keyes to deform and reform his body seemingly at will to avoid physical and magical attacks, though he has also been seen utilizing the ability almost unconsciously, being able to dodge a sneak attack by Gray with no effort at all by morphing his body as soon as the Ice-Make Mage made contact with it. Offensively, Keyes can manipulate the poisonous anti-magic particles in various ways such as spiraling currents, a wave, or an explosion to attack opponents."
Not seeing how the scale of his hax compares to Kefka insta-nulling a bunch of Espers to a powerless state and then oneshotting them right after tbh.
Also description of Anti-Magic Particles says they poison and weaken Magic Users (they may even cause death), it doesn't really say they go and null their powers as far as I have seen.
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Also has Keyes actually ever used that against Zeref? He's not only his Creation but also kind of works for him.
I actually read FT up to the Tartaros arc and don't remember Keyes even interacting with Zeref tbh.
I actually read FT up to the Tartaros arc and don't remember Keyes even interacting with Zeref tbh.
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Resistances were added to Zeref from the Nine Demon Gate's hax because he created them for the purpose of killing him but they couldn't. If Keye's Anti Magic worked on Zeref then it would have weakened the curse and let Zeref be killed.
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Zeref notes that none of his demons were capable of killing him. This is before Mard Geer perfected Memento Mori.FateAlbane said:
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Why is Kefka Multi Continental for stomping guys with these stats?
At least Large Mountain level, likely higher (Considered the most high tech and powerful piece of Magitek in the Gestahlian Empire even during the World of Balance) | Small Planet level (Comparable to the Ultima Weapon due to its newly enhanced programming)
At least Large Mountain level, likely higher (Considered the most high tech and powerful piece of Magitek in the Gestahlian Empire even during the World of Balance) | Small Planet level (Comparable to the Ultima Weapon due to its newly enhanced programming)
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I mean. Even Etherious who are Zeref's creations are immune to the particles by default.
They always looked to me way more like Poison Manip than Power Null since their magic is nerfed as a direct result of being poisoned by them.
They always looked to me way more like Poison Manip than Power Null since their magic is nerfed as a direct result of being poisoned by them.
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Giving something a power =/= you having that power.
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I'm more pointing out that the effects of the particles don't look at all more of power null than more of "You got poisoned to the point that your magic power is weakening as much as you are dying".
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It's kind of how Dragon Slayers resist it because "Increased Lung Capacity".
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Just for Ref, this , this , this and this .
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It's more of a "You are poisoned and your magic is weakened." The state of your body wouldn't effect the Ethernano.
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But the Guardians are Planet level and he stomped three of them
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i c. How does Kefka's power null work?
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It actually does interfere with whether or not the particles will affect you since Gajeel wasn't affected/resisted due to having Lungs of Metal while everyone else was gasping from the Poison .DragonEmperor23 said:
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The guardian is only planet level in the World of Ruin in kefka's tower, where it was megaboosted with the Warring Triad's power. Kefka destroyed normal Imperial Guardians, which are 7-B according to us.DragonEmperor23 said:
@Konaguna, that's not what it says. It says "flames hot enough to burn the whole world," which sounds more like hyperbole or a figure of speech than "flames that are able to burn the world's surface." Plus that's the english version, it would be preferrable to see the original japanese text.
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@Fate
That's because Anti magic particles have small amounts of iron in them so it didn't effect Gajeel as much.
That's because Anti magic particles have small amounts of iron in them so it didn't effect Gajeel as much.
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But seriously, what does *Zeref* start with, as well?
I'm relatively sure Kefka has no counter for stuff like Time Stop.
I'm relatively sure Kefka has no counter for stuff like Time Stop.
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@Pachi
if he vaporized a planet would that not be some form of planet level?
@Fate
In FH mode, Zeref leads with a Death Magic infused punch.
if he vaporized a planet would that not be some form of planet level?
@Fate
In FH mode, Zeref leads with a Death Magic infused punch.
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again, misconstruing the wording. It's "flames hot enough to turn the whole world to ashes." I know I am delving into semantics, but this contextually means something different. And again, is this on the Japanese version?PaChi2 said:
And for Leviathan, I don't even see a link or source on it, may you link it? And another problem is again the vagueness of the statement. Does it mean it has "command" over every body of water like it can manipulate it and flood the world or something?
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I don't think that was all there was to it. Like, if it had to do with the environment rather than the body being poisoned, Levi trying to hold her breath with solid script until the Particles entered her through the skin wouldn't have been a point, as the lack of Ethernano from it being destroyed from the atmosphere would have affected her magic before she was poisoned.DragonEmperor23 said:
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Kefka doesn't resist Death Manip (unless people count the fact that he nopes the Doom/Instant Death spells), so I guess he dies if it connects.DragonEmperor23 said:
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He can nope death spells? That would give him an advantage. He also still has the far superior range, and BFR
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I don't see how the range would matter if both characters start near each other and speed is equalized and Kefka wouldn't be able to run away to a farther range. If he did though, Zeref would probably stop time and walk over to him and kill him.
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@Drákos Kefka can't be insta-killed by Doom or Death Sentence.
I don't know if people around here count that as resistance or game mechanics, though.
I don't know if people around here count that as resistance or game mechanics, though.
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It depends, is this resistance given to all Bosses?
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@Konaguma Many FF installments usually have a thing with certain bosses being insta-killable in one way or another while others aren't. I just don't know what people usually apply here so I won't argue in that regard for heads or tails without a definite answer.
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>When Zeref's magic is infinite
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Fairy Heart provides infinite magicKonaguna said:
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kefka can simply use the Silence magic in zeref, this magic prevents the target from using any magic abilities, zeref has become useless now.
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- Infinite Supply of Magic.
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