Kefla vs Vegito

[Anonimoe7875]

Feats?

By feats Goku SSG > Dainshikan.

But if you mean scaling, a berseker Kale trashed a stronger SSB Goku and got far stronger after controlling the form, crashing with Post limiter-breaking SSG Goku, Caulifla otherwise is only SSJ2 Post limiter-breaking level.

 

[Ikeblade21]

@Anonimoe7875

Even if Kale thrashing Goku was an accurate representation of the difference in power (I doubt it) there is still Kaioken x10. Vegito's power is both Goku's and Vegeta's multiplied together in his base form, on top of SSB, and theoretically KKx10, power. If Kale was truly thrashing Goku, it could not have been by that great of a margin. SSBKKx10 > Berserk Kale and in turn Vegito would be stronger than Kefla. And I vote Vegito FRA.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

I mean, it´s make absolutely no sense to SSJ2 Kefla to be in Second UI level, since she was comparable to U7 Spirit Bomb in SSJ, but plot makes her UI level.

And Second UI > First UI, which is comparable to Extremely Casual Jiren which is > Fused/Infinite Zamasu.

 

[TheDarkSide857]

@Mickey1940

I got the feeling that you stole that from Super Saiyan God Julian, but anyway, since I debunked that guy's arguments I will debunk this easily.

Goku got at least 100 times stronger after using UI for the first time, since heavily suppressed SSJ2 Goku is comparable to SSJ2 Caulifla, and heavily injured, suppressed Base Goku was = to initial SSJ2 Caulifla. With this in mind, SSGSS Kaioken x10 Goku Post 1st UI is still not on Vegito's level, even if Goku wasn't injured.

Massive lie, Caulifla was bragging immensely during the fight and not using her full power against Goku. She reacted to and deflected an attack from Beserker Kale who easily tanked a God Kamehameha to the face. And kept walking! She reacted to and deflected an attack from a form that would usually be significantly stronger than SSJ2! When Caulifla got serious, Goku was basically screwed without his years of experience and powering up to SSJ2. Also, what about x20? SSGSS Kaioken x20 Goku is twice as powerful as SSGSS Kaioken x10 Goku and actually managed to put up a fight against Jiren who is EVEN STRONGER THAN Infinite Zamasu. Infinite Zamasu is stronger than Grotesque Zamasu who fought evenly with Vegito Blue.

For Kefla, her SSJ form at almost full power was comparable to injured full power SSGSS Kaioken Goku (not x20). With this in mind, since Kefla was less than 2 times stronger than Goku AT THAT TIME, then it's safe to say that SSJ Kefla < full health full power SSGSS Kaioken x20 Goku. If you multiply her power by 2 for SSJ2, and maybe another 2 for SSJ Beserk (since Base Kale scales to Caulifla somewhat, and SSJ Beserk Kale scales to SSJ2 Caulifla, although significantly stronger), then it still doesn't compare to full power heathy Goku's power.

Again, Mickey, arrogance problems. Kefla personality-wise was basically Caulifla with an extra Mary Sue boost, as she bragged EVEN MORE than Caulifla, and that's saying something. Also, SSJ2 Kefla still not comparing to full power healthy Goku is pretty contradicted by the fact that the show literally canonically stated that she as SSJ2 may have surpassed Goku's "earlier level"; either referring to Goku's first usage of Ultra Instinct -Sign- or Goku's recent usage of Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken. Meaning SSGSS Kaioken x20 Goku, even if he was healthy.

Vegito is still far stronger than that version of Goku, since using the Potara equation, SSGSS Vegito should be quadrillions to quintillions of times stronger than Goku Black arc Goku, and Pre 2nd UI Goku was only about 100 times stronger than Pre 1st UI Goku, so he still doesn't compare to Vegito.

We don't use those multipliers. Also, it's pretty contradicted by the fact that Goku as SSGSS Kaioken x20 managed to put up a fight against Jiren who is EVEN STRONGER THAN Infinite Zamasu. Infinite Zamasu is stronger than Grotesque Zamasu who fought evenly with Vegito Blue.

Besides, Vegito has been stated in the manga to rival, if not surpass (highball), Beerus, making him Low 2C either way

Vegito rivalling Beerus is only in the manga, and anime bitchslaps manga in canonicity.


So, I would say, Vegito wins 10/10 with both in character and base Kefla, though when she powers up to SSJ1, the chances of Vegito winning are decreased to 7/10. Vegito's chances of winning are again decreased to 4/10 with both in character and SSJ2 Kefla with max arrogance. (Whether Kefla would be cocky enough to let Vegito get an attack on her and whether she would be durable enough to survive without many injuries, which is somewhat likely- I'll let you guys debate that one.) And, Kefla wins 10/10 as SSJ2 with max seriousness.

 

[Mickey1940]

1. I didn't take info from anyone. I never heard of Super Saiyan God Julian

2. Caulifla was confirmed to be adapting and getting stronger as the battle went on. INITIAL SSJ2 Caulifla is on par with Goku

3. The fact that Kefla was able to be hurt (although a little) (arm stung a little after a punch, and went flying from another punch) while Goku was not in his most powerful form, AND while Goku was heavily injured and fatigued from the Jiren fight, means that Kefla as full power SSJ1 is not at Goku's level at his best.

4. Grotesque Zamasu is not even with Vegito. Literally, Vegito was able to beat the shit out of him initially, and would have destroyed him if he did not defuse. Yes, Zamasu is relative to him, but not at his level.

5. ok fine

6. Even if Vegito was weaker than Kefla by a little bit, Vegito could close that gap with his immense EXP and skill edge, since in DBZ, martial artists can beat people who are vastly stronger than them, as proven when Master Roshi was beating Bird Ganos.

 

[TheDarkSide857]

1. I didn't take info from anyone. I never heard of Super Saiyan God Julia

Ehhhh... fair enough.

2. Caulifla was confirmed to be adapting and getting stronger as the battle went on. INITIAL SSJ2 Caulifla is on par with Goku

Uhhh, no. SSJ2 is at least twice as strong as SSJ1, who is 50 times as strong as base, which would make SSJ2 100 times stronger than base. While post 1st UI Goku was only 100 times stronger than pre 1st UI Goku, plus he was weakened, the only reason he was on par with Caulifla was due to his experience fighting a myriad of opponents.

3. The fact that Kefla was able to be hurt (although a little) (arm stung a little after a punch, and went flying from another punch) while Goku was not in his most powerful form, AND while Goku was heavily injured and fatigued from the Jiren fight, means that Kefla as full power SSJ1 is not at Goku's level at his best.

You sure, bro? Super Saiyan God Goku is stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku, who is 10x stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, who is 4x stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Goku, who is 2x stronger than Super Saiyan Goku, who is 50x stronger than base Goku, so Super Saiyan God Goku is more than 4,000x stronger than base Goku. Add to that his 100x power increase post 1st UI, and post 1st UI Super Saiyan God Goku is more than 400,000x stronger than base pre 1st UI Goku and more than 4,000x stronger than base post 1st UI Goku. And Kefla lolstomped post 1st UI Super Saiyan God Goku. So she is faaar more powerful than post 1st UI Super Saiyan God Goku. Then comes Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. Well, let's just call him Super Saiyan Blue Goku. Super Saiyan Blue Goku, due to the 50x Super Saiyan power increase, is 50x stronger than Super Saiyan God Goku, so post 1st UI Super Saiyan Blue Goku is more than 20,000,000x stronger than base pre 1st UI Goku and more than 200,000x stronger than base post 1st UI Goku. But then add Kefla's Super Saiyan 50x, since she lolstomped post 1st UI Super Saiyan God Goku, and your argument couldn't hold any less water.

4. Grotesque Zamasu is not even with Vegito. Literally, Vegito was able to beat the shit out of him initially, and would have destroyed him if he did not defuse. Yes, Zamasu is relative to him, but not at his level.

Against Vegito Blue, Grotesque Zamasu proved able to make the mighty fused foe fight seriously and rival even him in terms of power. As such, many of Fused Zamasu's attacks forced Vegito to dodge, which still caused considerable damage to the area from the sheer force of his blows. He even tanked a Final Kamehameha to the face.

6. Even if Vegito was weaker than Kefla by a little bit, Vegito could close that gap with his immense EXP and skill edge, since in DBZ, martial artists can beat people who are vastly stronger than them, as proven when Master Roshi was beating Bird Ganos.

Uhhh, no. Even if Vegito had the EXP and skill edge, Kefla beats out that edge with her massive speed and power advantages.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

What did you debunk exactly? And watch who you are calling a ******. Unless, of course, you want to get banned.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Also no. You didn't debunk anyone on that thread. If anything you where getting debunked by several people.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

This again...we don't use any of the Super Saiyan multipliers. At all. None of the articles on the site about Super Saiyans mention them either.

Also, even if we did use the multipliers, Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue don't have any stated multilpliers.

 

[AKM sama]

This should be closed. It is leading to another debate about Vegito being Low 2-C.

Anyway, ssj2 Kefla of ToP arc stomps Vegito from the FT arc.

 

[TheDarkSide857]

This should be closed. It is leading to another debate about Vegito being Low 2-C.
Anyway, ssj2 Kefla of ToP arc stomps Vegito from the FT arc.

Yes! Someone with common sense!

 

[Kn83]

SeththeProgrammer agrees with you guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2luLB_qU0M

However, an early ToP SSG Vegito would easily stomp SSJ2 Kefla.

 

[TheDarkSide857]

However, an early ToP SSG Vegito would easily stomp SSJ2 Kefla.

SSB is much greater than SSG. And SSJ2 Kefla is greater than SSB.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Didn't early ToP SSG Goku fought Dyspo?

 

[Kn83]

However, an early ToP SSG Vegito would easily stomp SSJ2 Kefla.

SSB is much greater than SSG. And SSJ2 Kefla is greater than SSB.

SSJ2 Kefla is greater than SSB Goku. If Base Vegito in the Black arc was stronger than SSB Goku from the same arc, then a ToP Vegito using at least SSJ3 should be above SSJ2 Kefla by scaling and applying the potara multiplier to ToP Goku and Vegeta

 

[TheDarkSide857]

However, an early ToP SSG Vegito would easily stomp SSJ2 Kefla.

SSB is much greater than SSG. And SSJ2 Kefla is greater than SSB.

SSJ2 Kefla is greater than SSB Goku. If Base Vegito in the Black arc was stronger than SSB Goku from the same arc, then a ToP Vegito using at least SSJ3 should be above SSJ2 Kefla by scaling and applying the potara multiplier to ToP Goku and Vegeta

We don't use those multipliers except when I do.

 

[BoCo365]

I peosnally think Kefls wins seeing as how she beat BKK Goku, who I am almost postitive is stronger than Vegito thanks to growth from the Black Arc.

 

[TheDarkSide857]

I peosnally think Kefls wins seeing as how she beat BKK Goku, who I am almost postitive is stronger than Vegito thanks to growth from the Black Arc.

Ok.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Current Vegito would destroy Kefla no questions asked.

Although SSJ2 Kefla is indeed stronger than SSJB Vegito (Black Arc)

 

[BoCo365]

Current Vegito would destroy Kefla no questions asked.
Although SSJ2 Kefla is indeed stronger than SSJB Vegito (Black Arc)

I agree

 

[Mickey1940]

I'll agree that in terms of feats, Kefla wins, but in terms of statements (manga) and multipliers (not accepted by this wiki), Vegito wins. However, multipliers and manga statements are not accepted in VS Battles Wiki, so I guess this thread can be closed

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Kefla SSJ multipliers clearly isn't your average one, or else Second UI is only 2x U7 Spirit Bomb.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Oh boy, here we go again. According to Toyataro, Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is equal to Beerus. From what we know from Hermes's tweet, Beerus is relatively equal to Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku during his final fight against Full Power Jiren. Super Saiyan 2 Kefla lost to a much weaker version of Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku. So going by this fact. Vegito should win.

 

[TheDarkSide857]

Oh boy, here we go again. According to Toyataro, Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is equal to Beerus. From what we know from Hermes's tweet, Beerus is relatively equal to Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku during his final fight against Full Power Jiren. Super Saiyan 2 Kefla lost to a much weaker version of Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku. So going by this fact. Vegito should win.

Bullcrap.

After first UI, Goku became 100x stronger than before first UI. Even if we divided that number due to Goku being tired, then it would still equal 50x, 25x, 20x, or 10x, which means that second UI Goku is not weaker than first UI Goku. And the statement that Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is equal to Beerus is only in the manga, and anime bitchslaps manga in canonicity.

 

[HST_Master]

Oh boy, here we go again. According to Toyataro, Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is equal to Beerus. From what we know from Hermes's tweet, Beerus is relatively equal to Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku during his final fight against Full Power Jiren. Super Saiyan 2 Kefla lost to a much weaker version of Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku. So going by this fact. Vegito should win.

We go by the anime here

Super Saiyan Kefla was able to keep up with Post 1st UI SSBKK Goku who's low 2-C

Vegito fought Merged Zamasu who is 3-A

Kefla stomps

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

@TheDarkSide857

Pretty sure he is refering to 3rd Ultra Instinct "Omen" when he said "during his final fight against Full Power Jiren"

 

[TheDarkSide857]

@TheDarkSide857
Pretty sure he is refering to 3rd Ultra Instinct "Omen" when he said "during his final fight against Full Power Jiren"

Ah.

But still, anime bitchslaps manga in canonicity, so Vegito is nowhere near Beerus's power. So, Kefla stomps.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Oh boy, here we go again. According to Toyataro, Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is equal to Beerus. From what we know from Hermes's tweet, Beerus is relatively equal to Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku during his final fight against Full Power Jiren. Super Saiyan 2 Kefla lost to a much weaker version of Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku. So going by this fact. Vegito should win.

Bullcrap.
After first UI, Goku became 100x stronger than before first UI. Even if we divided that number due to Goku being tired, then it would still equal 50x, 25x, 20x, or 10x, which means that second UI Goku is not weaker than first UI Goku. And the statement that Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is equal to Beerus is only in the manga, and anime bitchslaps manga in canonicity.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

ok so did anyone miss the info that the beerus part was IN THE MANGA and NOT the ANIME???????????? Because we have this BS on the fusions simply because ppl need to remember anime is primary canon

 

[AKM sama]

This should be closed. It is leading to another debate about Vegito being Low 2-C.
Anyway, ssj2 Kefla of ToP arc stomps Vegito from the FT arc.

Why is this thread still existing?

 

[TheDarkSide857]

Oh boy, here we go again. According to Toyataro, Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is equal to Beerus. From what we know from Hermes's tweet, Beerus is relatively equal to Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku during his final fight against Full Power Jiren. Super Saiyan 2 Kefla lost to a much weaker version of Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku. So going by this fact. Vegito should win.

Bullcrap.
After first UI, Goku became 100x stronger than before first UI. Even if we divided that number due to Goku being tired, then it would still equal 50x, 25x, 20x, or 10x, which means that second UI Goku is not weaker than first UI Goku. And the statement that Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is equal to Beerus is only in the manga, and anime bitchslaps manga in canonicity.

You better realize that opinions exist and stop acting like you know everything.

 

[Adga11]

Kefla ssj2>>>>>>>>>>Vegito Blue. Reasons? OK.

The spirit bomb was stated by the supreme Kai to be stronger than anyone they'd ever faced (this also goes for Jiren, but that's irrelevant....). That would include Corrupted Merged Zamasu, who was on par with Vegito Blue. For those fo you who'll argue the fist clashes were just because VB was holding back, I turn to MZ surviving the Final Kahmehameha form VB, and rising out of the debris three seconds later.

Kefla SSJ1 was stated to be on par with the spirit bomb as just a SSJ1, then she doubles that power with SSJ2. SO:

Kefla SSJ2>Sprit Bomb>>>>>>Vegito Blue.

 

[Huesito88]

Why the heck is this still open? The op didn't change this to ssj or base Kefla so someone close this?

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Technically this is a stomp, unless we revise Vegetto Blue. So I'm closing this.