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Fixing things up
So obviously the preface this there are some minor additions, either obvious or formatting based to clear up.
Firstly, in the formatting for Kryten's profile I think he should have prep and optional equipment put into separate keys from his usual self, I also think the red dwarf should have its own profile- in which a few extra things should be added, which I will get into later.
In terms of revamping existing powers, some I will get to later but I'm honestly surprised at the fact that I didn't link the quantum crystals as having quantum manipulation. While yes, the effects allow for precognition and cosmic awareness via creating quantum entanglements to occur that alert them to potential futures and changes in the universe- it is obviously about creating quantum entanglements between things passively (this includes creating them between yourself) and achieves other effects via this, so it should be listed as such.
Now, due to statis booths Kryten should have a likely non combat applicable quantum and space time manipulation ability- as stated in season 1 episode 1 when Todd Todd hunter describes what they are shown here ([[1]]).
Other obvious changes would be giving the Inquisitor and his time gauntlet in general perfect precognition- as in the scales posted in includes one focusing on him in "limbo" where he was able to see future timelines, so the scans are literally already there.
Kryten also shouldn't have immortality type 1, as his lifespan was stated as being 6 million years in "Krysis" (which was literally the plot of the episode).
Focusing on things that were literally the point of the episode Kryten should have resistance to time manipulation, as the plot of "backwards" involved the "Boys from the Dwarf" falling into a time hole which brought them to a period during the Big Crunch- where time was moving inwards as well as space, yet despite these changes The protagonists were relatively unaffected, hence them actually noticing everyone else.
Kryten should also decidedly get a supergenius intelligence ranking, as it is with pointing out that the feats listed in his intelligence were those done with the extremely limited resources of the red dwarf (they literally don't have the technology to fix a pool table easily and by the later seasons have robots that just spontaneously explode from time to time) and under an extremely limited period of time. To name ones that come to mind, Kryten was capable of enhancing a character that doesn't know how to count to 10's intelligence to that of nigh omniscience (which will be discussed later) in literally a few hours, was capable of building a "prism laser" in "only the good" that could either create or create a gateway to a diametrically opposite universe in at most an hour with scavenged materials from a corroded cargo bay, and in the period of a month could the millions of years broken quantum skipper (which will be discussed later) with the resources of the red dwarf.
Also due to the terrible BTE 3 part special it is stated that he can resist the effects of the despair squids hallucinogens, which is perception manipulation and sleep manipulation
Legio
Currently Legion's profile is somewhat lacking due to the lack of specific feats however there is more to add. First of all, he should have some form of light manipulation as he created the "hard light drive" which was essentially a projection system that outputted interactive light, thus could be seen as some form of energy manipulation. He also should have limited perception manipulation due to his "cyberpark" which played out any fantasy the user had with incredible detail, or such was referenced by him in the episode. More importantly however I believe he should get some form of abstract existence, likely type 1. This is due to the fact that throughout his presentation his form is only referred to as a collective intelligence, who is exponentially superior to the sum of its parts. It's made even more clear by the fact that he described himself as literally nothing when people weren't on his research ship- his entire existence just being whoever is, this is shown to be fact by the scene of his awakening, pictured here.
From this is pretty clear to see that some immaterial presence (their consciousness) flew of the team of the red dwarf and flew to a good position, completely forming Legion in his entirety. It's also worth noting that the only time he's ever been physically interacted with it has just been him being the one engaging in such interaction, and choosing to do so.
Speed
What isn't noted down on the red dwarf profiles is that red dwarf follows the theory of special relativity, somewhat. In that when one goes faster than light they violate time itself (or space time) and as shown in literally the whole plot of "future echoes" can phase briefly into the future, creating such future echoes as events from the future. Therefore, this is fairly clearly a very weak form of immeasurable speed- due to the brief time travelling effect. This was done with the Red Dwarf's accelerator and should be noted as such on the profile. Note this does not apply to ships calculated to be MFTL as they aren't canonically FTL, just that light is apparently extremely fast in red dwarf. As well as this, the chronos drive in season 11 "Twentica" was owned by the crew and could be used by expanoids that stole them to travel in time. This effect is very clearly speed based, as they instigated it by "accelerating" and the only way the crew could chase them through time was by flying into their (effective) "slipstream". Adding on from that Kryten (and possibly Legion) should have it listed on their profile that they have communication (and friendship) with a nigh omnipresent entity. This is found in "Krysis" where they meet the "universe" (note that in RD the universe the characters are on is probably the prime one) that claims to be "all space, matter, energy, time" etc. This should be omniscience limited at a universal scale, but it might be higher as Zachary has informed me, if it is higher than this should effect other characters who have good enough feats.
Minor low level AP and Dura changes
I think that the red dwarf should be listed as being 7-A physically (via size which is listed in the profile) and 4-B via the thermonuclear bomb (as it was using that the 4-B feat was achieved). As for other issues, Kryten's dura and bazookoid power should be listed at Wall Level+, possibly Small Building Level. This is because fragmentation of steel doors, which was what Kryten was subjected to is Wall Level+ and Kryten was barely effected, he showed no damage and was merely briefly discombobulated (after having this done to him 33 times). As shown in "Demons and Angels" "High" Kryten was hurt by bazookoids and was killed by some other bomb, and later on in the episode normal Kryten is made to dodge the bazookoid fire because it genuinely could do damage to him. Either way (even if it is ranked at wall level+) this should scale to the inquisitor making him 9-A as he scaled to his dura and simulants are stated to be entirely immune to bazookoid fire via just being indestructible.
Nigh Omniscience for Holly
As seen in this clip here ([[2]]) Holly claims to know literally "everything" including the meaning of life, all physics, metaphysics and other philosophy and etc. In fact, this is literally only seen to not apply to how to increase her lifespan, which could be seen as impossible anyway and something an infinite amount of knowledge wouldn't be able to help with, or the fact that she was unaware Talkie Toaster wasn't going to not ask toast related question for some reason (yes I know nigh omniscience rendered only incomplete by some annoying toaster seems strange but this is red dwarf so who knows), this is found on Kryten's profile and possibly scales to Legion as he was the exponential sum of multiple people's intelligence (and yet again, was only limited by the fact he didn't know how to prolong his lifespan meaningfully)
Acausality
So, er, Kryten should have acausality type 1 for various reasons. Firstly in "Twentica" he wasn't erased after the expanoids halted all technology, in "White Hole" the timeline was erased and yet in "Demons and Angels" Lister could recall memories from it, without anybody questioning this. As well as this, in "Out of Time" the entire universe was erased and formed two realities to make up for it, with the anomalies caused by the paradox appearing in both realities, Dave Lister was able to recall this information, as was the rest of the crew
Possible 5-D Red Dwarf
Alright, so before I start this appears to only apply to hax and not ap for the time being. Alright, so let's begin. In "Parallel Universe" Holly creates the "Holly Hop Drive" which can hop to any point in space in about 3 or so seconds. However for some reason the crew end up in an alternate universe, as Holly puts it they "passed through the fifth dimension" explaining the fifth dimension as such "the first dimension is length, the second is breadth, the third is depth, the fourth is time and the fifth is coexisting realities, bodies that share the same space yet are unaware of each other's existence" so to first point out, the show makes a clear parallel to other dimensions, showing that the fifth dimension here at least seems like a legitimate dimension. However, it doesn't really seem to make much sense for a lot of reasons partially because other universes are obviously not Cartesian dimensions. It seems the best way to interpret this statement is that the 5th dimension "concerns coexisting realities" and makes more sense for t he fifth dimension to be the space in which these bodies reside. We can at least determine that multiversal interaction has something to do with the fifth dimension, it may also be worth noting that the Holly hop drive is stated to "hop" into another place in space and yet this just looks like teleportation, this could be referring to a model for stacking the dimensions and then being able to hop over them to end up anywhere in space. This is consistent with the famous episode "Dimension Jump" in which at the beginning of the episode Ace Rimmer gets an upgrade to his ship, his previous ship capable of travelling 2 times faster than light and the new one literally "breaking the speed of reality". As we have previously stated red dwarf follows the theory of general relativity somewhat, being as fast as light makes you "faster" than space time, the same should definitely apply for the double. However "faster" than space time is the "reality" being referred to here. Therefore reality is "faster" or more complex than the concept of space time- indicating 5th dimensionality, and yet again, this refers to multiversal interaction as by achieving this speed you can travel to other realities. It's also worth pointing out the machine working in action again, as it appears to teleport in and out of dimensions, not just being faster than light and therefore not being hit by it, but literally fading in and out of physicality (hitting Starbug as it does so), again referring to the ascendance of dimensions. Now, to tie this to how it influences profiles- in "Skipper" Kryten creates a quantum anomaly that passes in the universe, its presence causing a lesion in space time, another effect of it was the fact that other realities began to feed into the prime one, based on what actions they didn't do. From previously stated evidence clearly the only means of multiversal interaction (with most universes) was by interacting with this higher dimension, and there are possible signs of it being at play here. Namely a "quantum anomaly" would be the only way to observe a higher dimensional occurrence in a 3 dimensional universe, as quantum particles are considered to be influenced by activity in higher dimensions (with this usually being interpreted as a higher dimensional object with a lower dimensional subatomic form), this includes strong theory. It is worth noting that the episode was originally going to be called "Star Knot" as a description of the anomaly, essentially just a parody on string theory- with it probably being assumed that it was some knot between higher dimensional strings or whatever.This leads me to propose that the quantum skipper is causality manipulation, caused by reality warping at a 5-D level- and that the red dwarf should be given some form of higher dimensional manipulation resistance, given it could pass through the fifth dimension unharmed.
Fixing things up
So obviously the preface this there are some minor additions, either obvious or formatting based to clear up.
Firstly, in the formatting for Kryten's profile I think he should have prep and optional equipment put into separate keys from his usual self, I also think the red dwarf should have its own profile- in which a few extra things should be added, which I will get into later.
In terms of revamping existing powers, some I will get to later but I'm honestly surprised at the fact that I didn't link the quantum crystals as having quantum manipulation. While yes, the effects allow for precognition and cosmic awareness via creating quantum entanglements to occur that alert them to potential futures and changes in the universe- it is obviously about creating quantum entanglements between things passively (this includes creating them between yourself) and achieves other effects via this, so it should be listed as such.
Now, due to statis booths Kryten should have a likely non combat applicable quantum and space time manipulation ability- as stated in season 1 episode 1 when Todd Todd hunter describes what they are shown here ([[1]]).
Other obvious changes would be giving the Inquisitor and his time gauntlet in general perfect precognition- as in the scales posted in includes one focusing on him in "limbo" where he was able to see future timelines, so the scans are literally already there.
Kryten also shouldn't have immortality type 1, as his lifespan was stated as being 6 million years in "Krysis" (which was literally the plot of the episode).
Focusing on things that were literally the point of the episode Kryten should have resistance to time manipulation, as the plot of "backwards" involved the "Boys from the Dwarf" falling into a time hole which brought them to a period during the Big Crunch- where time was moving inwards as well as space, yet despite these changes The protagonists were relatively unaffected, hence them actually noticing everyone else.
Kryten should also decidedly get a supergenius intelligence ranking, as it is with pointing out that the feats listed in his intelligence were those done with the extremely limited resources of the red dwarf (they literally don't have the technology to fix a pool table easily and by the later seasons have robots that just spontaneously explode from time to time) and under an extremely limited period of time. To name ones that come to mind, Kryten was capable of enhancing a character that doesn't know how to count to 10's intelligence to that of nigh omniscience (which will be discussed later) in literally a few hours, was capable of building a "prism laser" in "only the good" that could either create or create a gateway to a diametrically opposite universe in at most an hour with scavenged materials from a corroded cargo bay, and in the period of a month could the millions of years broken quantum skipper (which will be discussed later) with the resources of the red dwarf.
Also due to the terrible BTE 3 part special it is stated that he can resist the effects of the despair squids hallucinogens, which is perception manipulation and sleep manipulation
Legio
Currently Legion's profile is somewhat lacking due to the lack of specific feats however there is more to add. First of all, he should have some form of light manipulation as he created the "hard light drive" which was essentially a projection system that outputted interactive light, thus could be seen as some form of energy manipulation. He also should have limited perception manipulation due to his "cyberpark" which played out any fantasy the user had with incredible detail, or such was referenced by him in the episode. More importantly however I believe he should get some form of abstract existence, likely type 1. This is due to the fact that throughout his presentation his form is only referred to as a collective intelligence, who is exponentially superior to the sum of its parts. It's made even more clear by the fact that he described himself as literally nothing when people weren't on his research ship- his entire existence just being whoever is, this is shown to be fact by the scene of his awakening, pictured here.
From this is pretty clear to see that some immaterial presence (their consciousness) flew of the team of the red dwarf and flew to a good position, completely forming Legion in his entirety. It's also worth noting that the only time he's ever been physically interacted with it has just been him being the one engaging in such interaction, and choosing to do so.
Speed
What isn't noted down on the red dwarf profiles is that red dwarf follows the theory of special relativity, somewhat. In that when one goes faster than light they violate time itself (or space time) and as shown in literally the whole plot of "future echoes" can phase briefly into the future, creating such future echoes as events from the future. Therefore, this is fairly clearly a very weak form of immeasurable speed- due to the brief time travelling effect. This was done with the Red Dwarf's accelerator and should be noted as such on the profile. Note this does not apply to ships calculated to be MFTL as they aren't canonically FTL, just that light is apparently extremely fast in red dwarf. As well as this, the chronos drive in season 11 "Twentica" was owned by the crew and could be used by expanoids that stole them to travel in time. This effect is very clearly speed based, as they instigated it by "accelerating" and the only way the crew could chase them through time was by flying into their (effective) "slipstream". Adding on from that Kryten (and possibly Legion) should have it listed on their profile that they have communication (and friendship) with a nigh omnipresent entity. This is found in "Krysis" where they meet the "universe" (note that in RD the universe the characters are on is probably the prime one) that claims to be "all space, matter, energy, time" etc. This should be omniscience limited at a universal scale, but it might be higher as Zachary has informed me, if it is higher than this should effect other characters who have good enough feats.
Minor low level AP and Dura changes
I think that the red dwarf should be listed as being 7-A physically (via size which is listed in the profile) and 4-B via the thermonuclear bomb (as it was using that the 4-B feat was achieved). As for other issues, Kryten's dura and bazookoid power should be listed at Wall Level+, possibly Small Building Level. This is because fragmentation of steel doors, which was what Kryten was subjected to is Wall Level+ and Kryten was barely effected, he showed no damage and was merely briefly discombobulated (after having this done to him 33 times). As shown in "Demons and Angels" "High" Kryten was hurt by bazookoids and was killed by some other bomb, and later on in the episode normal Kryten is made to dodge the bazookoid fire because it genuinely could do damage to him. Either way (even if it is ranked at wall level+) this should scale to the inquisitor making him 9-A as he scaled to his dura and simulants are stated to be entirely immune to bazookoid fire via just being indestructible.
Nigh Omniscience for Holly
As seen in this clip here ([[2]]) Holly claims to know literally "everything" including the meaning of life, all physics, metaphysics and other philosophy and etc. In fact, this is literally only seen to not apply to how to increase her lifespan, which could be seen as impossible anyway and something an infinite amount of knowledge wouldn't be able to help with, or the fact that she was unaware Talkie Toaster wasn't going to not ask toast related question for some reason (yes I know nigh omniscience rendered only incomplete by some annoying toaster seems strange but this is red dwarf so who knows), this is found on Kryten's profile and possibly scales to Legion as he was the exponential sum of multiple people's intelligence (and yet again, was only limited by the fact he didn't know how to prolong his lifespan meaningfully)
Acausality
So, er, Kryten should have acausality type 1 for various reasons. Firstly in "Twentica" he wasn't erased after the expanoids halted all technology, in "White Hole" the timeline was erased and yet in "Demons and Angels" Lister could recall memories from it, without anybody questioning this. As well as this, in "Out of Time" the entire universe was erased and formed two realities to make up for it, with the anomalies caused by the paradox appearing in both realities, Dave Lister was able to recall this information, as was the rest of the crew
Possible 5-D Red Dwarf
Alright, so before I start this appears to only apply to hax and not ap for the time being. Alright, so let's begin. In "Parallel Universe" Holly creates the "Holly Hop Drive" which can hop to any point in space in about 3 or so seconds. However for some reason the crew end up in an alternate universe, as Holly puts it they "passed through the fifth dimension" explaining the fifth dimension as such "the first dimension is length, the second is breadth, the third is depth, the fourth is time and the fifth is coexisting realities, bodies that share the same space yet are unaware of each other's existence" so to first point out, the show makes a clear parallel to other dimensions, showing that the fifth dimension here at least seems like a legitimate dimension. However, it doesn't really seem to make much sense for a lot of reasons partially because other universes are obviously not Cartesian dimensions. It seems the best way to interpret this statement is that the 5th dimension "concerns coexisting realities" and makes more sense for t he fifth dimension to be the space in which these bodies reside. We can at least determine that multiversal interaction has something to do with the fifth dimension, it may also be worth noting that the Holly hop drive is stated to "hop" into another place in space and yet this just looks like teleportation, this could be referring to a model for stacking the dimensions and then being able to hop over them to end up anywhere in space. This is consistent with the famous episode "Dimension Jump" in which at the beginning of the episode Ace Rimmer gets an upgrade to his ship, his previous ship capable of travelling 2 times faster than light and the new one literally "breaking the speed of reality". As we have previously stated red dwarf follows the theory of general relativity somewhat, being as fast as light makes you "faster" than space time, the same should definitely apply for the double. However "faster" than space time is the "reality" being referred to here. Therefore reality is "faster" or more complex than the concept of space time- indicating 5th dimensionality, and yet again, this refers to multiversal interaction as by achieving this speed you can travel to other realities. It's also worth pointing out the machine working in action again, as it appears to teleport in and out of dimensions, not just being faster than light and therefore not being hit by it, but literally fading in and out of physicality (hitting Starbug as it does so), again referring to the ascendance of dimensions. Now, to tie this to how it influences profiles- in "Skipper" Kryten creates a quantum anomaly that passes in the universe, its presence causing a lesion in space time, another effect of it was the fact that other realities began to feed into the prime one, based on what actions they didn't do. From previously stated evidence clearly the only means of multiversal interaction (with most universes) was by interacting with this higher dimension, and there are possible signs of it being at play here. Namely a "quantum anomaly" would be the only way to observe a higher dimensional occurrence in a 3 dimensional universe, as quantum particles are considered to be influenced by activity in higher dimensions (with this usually being interpreted as a higher dimensional object with a lower dimensional subatomic form), this includes strong theory. It is worth noting that the episode was originally going to be called "Star Knot" as a description of the anomaly, essentially just a parody on string theory- with it probably being assumed that it was some knot between higher dimensional strings or whatever.This leads me to propose that the quantum skipper is causality manipulation, caused by reality warping at a 5-D level- and that the red dwarf should be given some form of higher dimensional manipulation resistance, given it could pass through the fifth dimension unharmed.
