Leviathan vs Vecna

[RotofBots]

High 6-A versions

Speed equal

Leviathan (Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters)

Vecna

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

My reaction in a nutshell

 

[DMB_1]

My reaction in a nutshell

Something tells me that at the end, the person questioning Charlotte got her head chopped off, and that her pink-haired friend got traumatized

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Let's not.

 

[Schnee_One]

Leviathan roars

 

[RotofBots]

Leviathan roars

I'm afraid I cannot count this as a vote.

 

[Schnee_One]

It isn't, this is a stomp

 

[RotofBots]

How? Vecna is not only reliant on a 2-A but is a living concept that resists Mind manipulation.

 

[Schnee_One]

Roaring isn't Mind Manipulation

Roaring breaks her into data which gets broken down and absorbed by Leviathen.

 

[RotofBots]

And what's Leviathan's answer to passive Madness manipulkation?

And has this absorption ever worked on living concepts and ideas?

 

[Schnee_One]

I mean Leviathen resists Mind manipulation

I mean I don't really see why it needs too, the Absorbtion effectively makes Vecna a part of the Leviathen

 

[RotofBots]

You need feats of affecting universal concepts. Saying something can affect concepts without feats is a textbook no-limits fallacy.

 

[The_Causality]

Vecna Spam?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

>Vecna gets a ton of new hax from having almost no before

>everyone spams him

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So you made this...knowing that Leviathan has never fought an abstract entity.

Knowing that Leviathan hasn't even seen an abstract or touched them....

 

[Schnee_One]

You need feats of affecting universal concepts. Saying something can affect concepts without feats is a textbook no-limits fallacy.

It's not affecting Vecna, it's making Vecna a part of it

That's not really an NLF when she lacks resistance to absorbtion entirely, being a concept also doesn't let you randomly resist Hax

 

[RotofBots]

So you made this...knowing that Leviathan has never fought an abstract entity.
Knowing that Leviathan hasn't even seen an abstract or touched them....

Yes. People are saying it's a stomp in Leviathan's favor so idk what's the problem

 

[Schnee_One]

Making this despite knowing was the problem

 

[RKGenki]

Uhm… Actully Vecna doesn't have abstract existence in its profile

 

[Schnee_One]

Uhm… Actully Vecna doesn't have abstract existence in its profile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphNpqKpKc4

 

[RotofBots]

Making this despite knowing was the problem

How is that a problem? You just said that Leviathan can absorb abstract concepts

 

[Schnee_One]

1. Its not abstract

2.You made this thinking it couldn't even effect Vecna

 

[RotofBots]

1. Azathoth agreed on the D&D Deities CRT that they were abstract and probably forgot to add it. And they are text book abstracts.

Like other creatures of the Outer Planes, devils are abstractions given a semblance of fleshly existence. Though they might appear to be biological creatures composed of flesh, bones, blood, and viscera, they are in fact magical expressions of particular universal concepts. Internally, some devils bear basic similarities to humanoid anatomy, but others are completely bizarre. Because of their unusual physiology, devils can blithely ignore most of the biological needs that drive the humanoids and animals of the Material Plane.
	~ Fiendish Codex II: Tyrants of the Nine Hells​

2. Well... yes. Debates are boring when it's just "character via X hax". Plus, Leviathan has ways to get around it.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

That's what Type 8 is from

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

How many of his listed abilities does Demigod Vecna even have? I'm not sure where he was at in terms of godly powers, at that point.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Going by the file, as there is no dividers....it seems like everything. (unless I skimmed over a divider)

 

[VindictiveLoser]

Just CTRL F and type in |, should show you all the dividers on the page.

Just checked, and there are none in his Powers and Abilities section, so either his profile needs editing or he just has everything.