Lifting Strength Downgrade?

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

The average man in America weighs around 88 kg. Zoom lifted them one-handed. 88*2=176 kg. Downgrade to Athletic Human maybe?

 

[Antvasima]

What is his current value, and what is it based on?

 

[Heatforce]

@Antvasima, sounds like CW Zoom. Doesn't he still get points though for carrying Barry like a rag doll going HS (or MHS) speeds?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

@Heatforce

If he was carrying Barry while performing a notable speed feat, then the lifting strength could be calculated at a fairly high value.

 

[Heatforce]

Well, Zoom is listed as MHS but the feat in question occurs in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXl2rqabsg

Also, if there were any doubts about a CW speedsters impact durability, Barry and Zoom reach terminal velocity and then land on asphalt, no injuries it seems lol.

 

[JTOnstead20]

Yes, he can lift 176 kilograms. However, force (or weight) is equivalent to mass times acceleration. So his lifting strength appears to be 176 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 = 1724.8 Newtons. However, when Zoom accelerates to max speed (lets say Mach 2 in one second), the thing that he is carrying actually gets heavier (due to the acceleration). So Mach 2/second = 680.5 meters/s^2. 176 kg * 680 meters/s^2 = 119680 Newtons. This is the force that an object of 12212 kilograms would create if stationary on Earth's surface. Zoom is thus at least weight class 25.

 

[Heatforce]

So then technically Zoom needs a lifting strength upgrade. Also, we would need to do the same for Savatar (while wearing his suit) since he pretty much did the same thing to Jay Garrick.

Also, why is Jay's tier unknown? He should be comparable to Barry. Not only that but he and Kid Flash should be bumped up to top tiers IMO. In fact, shouldn't all the speedsters in the CWverse be top tier?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Ah ok I didn't watch the scene I just looked at the page I didn't know he was running.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not think that we scale lifting strength that way. Given the inconsistencies within fiction we simply tend to rate characters by the weight that they can lift above their heads.

 

[Heatforce]

OK so then I guess we explain it away as speed force magic. Now that I think about it, since Barry wasn't in motion and not generating speed force, his head should have been ripped off lol.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

@Antvasima If you scale lifting strength just by the weight they are lifting than Zoom should be downgraded to Athletic Human.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Are there any other Flash characters that should have their lifting strengths downgraded accordingly?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Savitar.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to adjust the lifting strengths of both profiles then.