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This thread made me think that the wording on Immeasurable Lifting Strength is imprecise & wrong.
It is very passable. But it doesn't account for "higher-dimensional beings" that can't move and don't lift anything. To quote an allegory I used in the thread above:
"Being 4th dimensional doesn't mean lifting 4th dimensional things, just like being a mountain doesn't mean one can lift another mountain, and while a "mountain body" holds its own weight against gravity, a 4th dimensional thing doesn't have an opposing force against it, "it floats", so to speak. Following this allegory used as an example, Zamasu isn't someone who turned into a mountain & can now walk around as such, he turned into a mountain & he stays there in place, he can make other mountains become himself too but they would likewise stay there in place. Him being the universe & 4D sounds super f*cking impressive, sure, but that's not to forget what he can or can't do, and not all characters with this characteristics are built the same."
You don't need to know DBS, imagine the context starts & ends here.
So, obviously I believe the way this was worded kept in mind higher dimensional beings able to walk around and such while being bigger than timelines and such, and so it didn't count on more specific cases like this. I don't see any logical way in which 4th dimensional beings that can't move would have Immeasurable Lifting Strength, if I'm not mistaken.
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Also, it should link to the the Tiering Q&A when saying "qualitatively superior", since it's a made up term we use.
Also also, why does it say "higher-order beings"? That sounds just made up, is this a leftover from an older time?
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I propose the following:
Infinite
Immeasurable
Note: It's recognized that the latter 2 levels are hypothetical & literally impossible in real life, their purpose is that their portrayal in 1 series would carry into another different series.
"Infinite strength in relation to 3-dimensional entities, equated to higher-order beings on greater planes of existence and/or higher-dimensional beings when portrayed as qualitatively superior."
It is very passable. But it doesn't account for "higher-dimensional beings" that can't move and don't lift anything. To quote an allegory I used in the thread above:
"Being 4th dimensional doesn't mean lifting 4th dimensional things, just like being a mountain doesn't mean one can lift another mountain, and while a "mountain body" holds its own weight against gravity, a 4th dimensional thing doesn't have an opposing force against it, "it floats", so to speak. Following this allegory used as an example, Zamasu isn't someone who turned into a mountain & can now walk around as such, he turned into a mountain & he stays there in place, he can make other mountains become himself too but they would likewise stay there in place. Him being the universe & 4D sounds super f*cking impressive, sure, but that's not to forget what he can or can't do, and not all characters with this characteristics are built the same."
You don't need to know DBS, imagine the context starts & ends here.
So, obviously I believe the way this was worded kept in mind higher dimensional beings able to walk around and such while being bigger than timelines and such, and so it didn't count on more specific cases like this. I don't see any logical way in which 4th dimensional beings that can't move would have Immeasurable Lifting Strength, if I'm not mistaken.
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Also, it should link to the the Tiering Q&A when saying "qualitatively superior", since it's a made up term we use.
Also also, why does it say "higher-order beings"? That sounds just made up, is this a leftover from an older time?
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I propose the following:
Infinite
Infinite weight by 3-dimensional standards, provided that it's not a [[hyperbole]] nor that this "infinite weight" goes as in, an ever increasing weight (A limited weight that will forever grow in that aspect).
Immeasurable
When Lifting Strength allows lift or move a space-time continuum / an area of space that is [[Tiering System FAQ#Q: What is qualitative superiority?|qualitatively superior]] than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space, and up to any bigger, more complex structures. This spaces don't inhereditary have a weight on this level opposing any force trying to move them (Unless specific franchises may have it as such), meaning that simply being as large as them doesn't grant this level of Lifting Strength, it needs to be proven through [[feats]] or [[Powerscaling|scaling]].
Note: It's recognized that the latter 2 levels are hypothetical & literally impossible in real life, their purpose is that their portrayal in 1 series would carry into another different series.
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