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LMK upgrade

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This is about upgrading CM2 to CM1 for Fate and Chaos.

For Chaos:

While Primordial Chaos is accepted to be a concept and predates all creation here, I'm gonna include additional evidences that it's unbound by reality. It is shown here (5:37) and here (2:39) that Chaos always wanted to destroy the universe so it wouldn't get effected by it's destruction. Chaos is also stated to be massively larger than the universe (8:18).

For Fate:

Despite the universe’s reality being destroyed by the Primordial Chaos, the power Fate grows stronger instead and needs MK to control it before it gets too powerful (0:50). Same situation happened here (5:39) as it needed a seal to contain it and also stated that the power of Fate came from the Chaos Beyond (10:29). But I also want to add that since LBD has the power of fate due to having the same power as MK, Fate should be type 1 as stated that LBD wants to destroy the entire world (10:34) alongside Chaos with the Samadhi Fire (8:20), the same weapon that can burn through the very fabric of reality (4:02), and would have survived after complete erasure of the universe and everything beyond it as she will create an entirely new world where chaos doesn’t exists here (4:00) and here (0:30). And to further back it up, She said she's doing all this because of Fate instructing her multiple times here (0:53), here (8:09) and here (10:42). It’s also the only power that can prevent from the Primordial Chaos completely crushing the entire universe here (5:42), here (3:05) and here (7:24).
 
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Sorry, where's the independent concept?

Not being destroyed along with the universe just means being outside it.
Doesn't being outside also qualify for independent?

If you are talking about Fate, it exists inside the universe as LBD destroys it from the inside also that I showed scans that Fate constantly growing inside the universe while all reality is getting destroyed
 
Also uh about chaos, it's accepted to predate creation so should qualify for type 1 similar to other verses but if your doubt is about fate, I can wait
Okay, and what's the evidence that it's a concept that governs the universe? If it's a concept that governs it and both predates it and survives its end that does seem to fit type 1.
 
Okay, and what's the evidence that it's a concept that governs the universe? If it's a concept that governs it and both predates it and survives its end that does seem to fit type 1.
Well you can check the chaos profile for the reasoning (since it's already accepted). I just wanna add that it would be unaffected by the universe's destruction too on top of it
 
Chaos getting Type 1 seems okay. I'm interested to hear counterarguments though, given it was listed as Type 2 at first.
 
Chaos getting Type 1 seems okay. I'm interested to hear counterarguments though, given it was listed as Type 2 at first.
Also what do you think about LBD erasing the entire universe alongside with the Primordial Chaos to create an entirely new world with only Fate existing? Do you think Fate can qualify too?
 
I think creating another thread on this topic is redundant, as most of the points are similar to the previous one.
The last thread was only regarding fate and ignoring the LBD arg. Also the OP isn't much active and staffs we were bumping isn't trying to respond to the new LBD arg so I think it's simpler to get a new thread while also arguing for chaos
 
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Also what do you think about LBD erasing the entire universe alongside with the Primordial Chaos to create an entirely new world with only Fate existing? Do you think Fate can qualify too?
Hard to say without more context. If it survives the erasure of the universe, probably.
 
Theo tôi, bạn có thể kết nối quan điểm của Số phận với CM1 bằng cách cho thấy Số phận là đối lập với hỗn loạn , và cách Định mệnh có thể ngăn chặn Hỗn loạn nuốt chửng toàn bộ vũ trụ.
Please communicate in English.
 
In my opinion, you could scale Fate to CM1 by showing that Fate is the opposite of Chaos, and how Destiny could prevent Chaos from devouring the entire universe.
Nine-Headed Demon: It was all gonna happen anyway. You just wouldn't have had... I-I wanted more for you than just the path. The sacrifice. Destiny.
 
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