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We have four feats of scaling to a tier 1 feat as well as Word of God backing it up with the tier 3-4 feats as well as several tier 2 feats being consistent low ends done as casually as them literally just existing and thinking, so yes, i am arguing that it is not an outlierMonarch Laciel said:So what we have is consistently tier 3-4 and one single statement of a low 1-C feat with no further context, and you're trying to argue the tier 1 feat isn't an outlier?
This never happens.WeeklyBattles said:We have four feats of scaling to a tier 1 feat as well as Word of God backing it up with the tier 3-4 feats as well as several tier 2 feats being consistent low ends done as casually as them literally just existing and thinking, so yes, i am arguing that it is not an outlier
Incorrect. Regardless of the outcome of that thread, whether the void is 1-C or 2-A, unless there are more consistent feats of that level, it is an outlier amidst the far more numerous tier 4-3 feats the cosmic court and corruptants have.WeeklyBattles said:None so far, no conclusion can be reached without the 5-D thread being concluded
Incorrect. Unless we have some reason to use their immensely casual low end feats, which we dont, we have no reason to consider their tier 1 feats outliers lest we downgrade every character on the wiki who is tier 1 if they do anything less than tier 1 feats more consistently. Same goes with anyone above wall level really.Monarch Laciel said:Incorrect. Regardless of the outcome of that thread, whether the void is 1-C or 2-A, unless there are more consistent feats of that level, it is an outlier amidst the far more numerous tier 4-3 feats the cosmic court and corruptants have.
It does happenMonarch Laciel said:This never happens.
Unless you are talking about the tier 3 - 4 feats being done casually by them existing and thinking, in which case I suggest you reword your comment so you aren't giving people the impression that tier 2 feats are done by them existing and thinking, because that never happens.
You have also not presented any of these feats that scale to tier 1.
No timeframe is given by Ezreal, and you haven't posted any proof of the corruptants scaling/existing in this way. The most you've given is a screenshot of a now removed forum board (which places its current canonicity in question to begin with) that the Dark Star itself is one of the most powerful entities in the multiverse. Specifically, the Dark Star itself, not the corruptants or the court.WeeklyBattles said:It does happen
when someone who has visited an infinite amount of universes says that the Dark Star corruptants can destroy all of reality yes, it does happen.
Consuming the Void, the Celestial Court being scaled to the main multiverse Celestials, existing beyone Nagakabouros and Eternum Nocturne, etc.
Repeatedly directing me to look at a quote I've debunked is not posting evidence.WeeklyBattles said:Considering im the one who has been constantly doing nothing but posting evidence here while Monarch has just been giving opinionated rebuttals, i'd prefer it if you didnt accuse me of not posting evidence regis
Not really. Ive already given multiple statements from the lore and the characters themselves that show its instant, i do not have to prove a negative to show its not. Especially given the new lore of them having 3-C feats so immensely casual that its done literally by existing, thinking, and willing it.Monarch Laciel said:You should have to prove its instant rather than the other way around. Assuming it is instant is a much greater assumption given that they are otherwise indicated to destroy universes galaxy and star system by star system.
This one
Destroying a 2-A realm is still an outlier if it is assumed to be done instantly by Thresh instead of just via feeding it to the true Dark Star.
This alone proves you have no idea what youre talking about given the numerous statements and feats that they instantly create galaxiesMonarch Laciel said:The Cosmic Court together has crafted galaxies. They have, over the eons, over time added similar celestial objects to the universe.
Strawman argument. Sure they can create the galaxies with a thought. I never said that they didn't create them instantly, I said they had created them together.WeeklyBattles said:This alone proves you have no idea what youre talking about given the numerous statements and feats that they instantly create galaxiesMonarch Laciel said:The Cosmic Court together has crafted galaxies. They have, over the eons, over time added similar celestial objects to the universe.
You have not done any of this. You have given quotes with absolutely no timeframe given, which is not the same as the timeframe being instant. I have given quotes indicating that they destroy - and with that most recent short story, create - the universe over time, adding or removing its stars and galaxies one at a time. So yes, you need to provide proof of an instant timeframe for universal destruction which overrides the demonstratably over-time timeframe which their methods have shown. Also, that is a No Limits Fallacy. Being able to destroy a galaxy by thinking does not upscale you to Low 1-C because destroying the galaxy wasn't difficult.WeeklyBattles said:Not really. Ive already given multiple statements from the lore and the characters themselves that show its instant, i do not have to prove a negative to show its not. Especially given the new lore of them having 3-C feats so immensely casual that its done literally by existing, thinking, and willing it.
You can cry outlier all you want but that doesnt make it correct. Four 2-A feats done with effort and now over a dozen 3-C feats done by literally existing does not mean we should completely invalidate the 2-A feats just because there are more 3-C feats.
Provide quotes of this then, and it can potentially be accepted.Rocker1189 said:also the Dark Stars see time as an outmodded tool and Jhin finds linear time hilarious, I dont see hwo that does not give them immeasurable speed.
The fact that you claim to have read the blogs and all of the lore of the dark stars but dont know this is really troublingMonarch Laciel said:Provide quotes of this then, and it can potentially be accepted.
I would see if I can get them but it just so happened to be when the forums were deleted that this post went up..Monarch Laciel said:Provide quotes of this then, and it can potentially be accepted.
The fact that you are attempting to redirect a perfectly reasonable request for quotes into an attack against me is troubling.WeeklyBattles said:The fact that you claim to have read the blogs and all of the lore of the dark stars but dont know this is really troubling
When you claim to know everything about the characters in question but at the same time dont know basic information about them its justifiedMonarch Laciel said:The fact that you are attempting to redirect a perfectly reasonable request for quotes into an attack against me is troubling.
Neither of those quotes mean infinite or immeasurable speed. Both are contextless and have zero elaboration on their meaning.Rocker1189 said:I do have the quote from Jhin though: "Mortals and their linear time, they appreciate my art, they have no choice."
can be seen on the wiki
Thresh also has this:
"Time is but a cog in a dying machine."
which would support the blog above.
I mean the first one clearly means that the Dark Stars do not see time linearly which would support infinite speed at the very least and also again the quote from the blog. We have tried to wayback machine it to little success, so there is no other way I can link show it but those two quotes and what Assalt says in the blog should at the very least show that we did not make it up.Monarch Laciel said:Neither of those quotes mean infinite or immeasurable speed. Both are contextless and have zero elaboration on their meaning.
A) Already debunked, debunked, debunked, debunked. Argument ad naseumWeeklyBattles said:The fact that Monarch has only looked through the lore of Event Horizon to try to make a downgrade thread about them is proof alone that he does not know the full extent of what he is talking about. Monarch's interpretation is factually invalid as it is using incomplete data but Monarch refuses to listen to this fact.
A) The one who is using the Half Truth Fallacy is Monarch as he conveniently leaves out the parts where characters who have traveled through infinite universes and timelines and regularly describe the nature of the multiverse and its structure as a whole have stated that the Dark Stars are able to consume the entire multiverse, on top of bit feats like Cosmic characters being able to survive the creation of new universes and Dark Stars flat out saying they have brought about the destruction of multiple universes in the past (Said character in particular also blatantly states that he CAN destroy everything but just chooses not to out of personal preference).
B) What Monarch is doing here is textbook downplay, willingly choosing to ignore higher feats that were done with effort in favor of a handful of feats literally infinitely lower than they are consistently displayed and done passively for seemingly no reason other than personal preference.
C) Choosing to ignore pieces of evidence or take them out of context when they are meant to be taken as a set of supporting evidence and then claiming there is no evidence, you sir are the one using ad nauseum.
Not seeing time linearly does not mean moving through time non-linearly.Rocker1189 said:I mean the first one clearly means that the Dark Stars do not see time linearly which would support infinite speed at the very least and also again we the quote from the blog.Monarch Laciel said:Neither of those quotes mean infinite or immeasurable speed. Both are contextless and have zero elaboration on their meaning.
I dont get it..none of those quotes are about timelessness, they are about linear time. and I added to that comment and you still have not talked about the blog...I am goin gto be honest, I think that a lot of other verses have to be looked at with the way some thing are being taken here.Monarch Laciel said:Not seeing time linearly does not mean moving through time' non-linearly.
And I already posted a comment showing how all the uses of "timeless" in the quotes from the blog are better attributed to their actual dictionary definitions rather than the vs battle idea of "timeless" automatically meaning "literally lacking a flow of time".
That's irrelevant to the thread though? Other verses aren't being discussed here, and if you really care about them then you can make a thread for them. It's not like people have to be moving through time non-linearly just because they can perceive it that way.Rocker1189 said:I dont get it..none of those quotes are about timelessness, they are about linear time. and I added to that comment and you still have not talked about the blog...I am goin gto be honest, I think that a lot of other verses have to be looked at with the way some thing are being taken here.