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Excuse me? Nice strawman.WeeklyBattles said:Monarch youre treating everything i just gave you as its own individual feat out of context. When taken with everything together its very blatant.
What youre essentially doing is saying that if Beerus says he can destroy the universe at one point and then at another point taps his finger on a planet and blows it up and then at another point actually does destroy the universe that means that Beerus is only planet level and that him claiming to be able to destroy the universe is just boastful nonsense while his feat of destroying the universe is an outlier.
That says nothing about Kassadin tanking anything. It just says he watches. Ok, so the Dark Star God can be Low 2-C. Given that is its a living singularity that has absorbed multiple universes and space-times, albeit one at a time, that's fine.WeeklyBattles said:
Every instance of their universe destruction is done over time, by destroying stars and galaxies, and feeding the remnants to the Dark Star God, which is what is really destroying everything.WeeklyBattles said:Except youre not and its very obvious youre not. Otherwise you wouldnt dismiss characters saying they can destroy universes as being boastful or flowery language when they have feats and evidence to back up that they can and have in fact destroyed universes
Already done in the post, but seeing as you clearly haven't read it, I'll post them again.WeeklyBattles said:Show me on instanc wher destroying the unvierse is done over time and i can give you ten instances of it being done instantly
Hi again. Looks like we'll only be chatting here from now on.WeeklyBattles said:>Almost as if they can't just wave their hands and destroy everything.
Almost like they literally have multiple statements that they can
These aren't low ends I'm using. These are the consistent averages. Destroying the void is the outlier here, not the norm.Planck69 said:I don't think using low-end feats as an excuse for a downgrade makes any sense. DC and Marvel characters would peak at 7-A, Hadou Gds would only be 4-A etc. But Weekly and you can argue this out since you're the experts.
They kinda are low-ends seeing as along with the Void destruction the Devs also confirmed that the Celectial Court scales to the baseline Celestials in the main multiverseMonarch Laciel said:These aren't low ends I'm using. These are the consistent averages. Destroying the void is the outlier here, not the norm.
And the destruction of universes and timelines that you keep claiming don't count because they "take place over time"? Not to mention how any feat in Tier 2 is still that tier regardless of time frame anyway. A statement of destroying universes and all of creationis far more likely to be referring to an at least 4-D spacetime than the matter inside it.Monarch Laciel said:These aren't low ends I'm using. These are the consistent averages. Destroying the void is the outlier here, not the norm.
This isn't like saying Hadou Gods are 4-A because one of their attacks uses a lot of stars. This is like saying that because Icema shot some ice at Oblivio and knocked him over, he's 1-A
The tier 2 destruction of the universe is done by the Dark Star God, by the corruptants destroying star systems as they travel across the universe and feeding the remants to him like Thresh and Kha'Zix does. The Dark Star God doesn't scale to the corruptants.Planck69 said:And the destruction of universes and timelines that you keep claiming don't count because they "take place over time"? Not to mention how any feat in Tier 2 is still that tier regardless of time frame anyway. A statement of destroying universes and all of creationis far more likely to be referring to an at least 4-D spacetime than the matter inside it.
Not really the best example. Iceman blatantly has feats that contradict hm being that tier. Here it's characters performing several 4-A to 3-C feats and also performing some Tier 2 feats but you deciding that the latter are hyperbole and boastful language. Surprise, every feat past Tier 3 has a far greater chance of being interpreted as flowery language considernig that most of the time the feat in question is a statement. But we don't do that for Zeno, we don't do that for Nightgaunts and we certainly shouldn't do that here.
Ah so the Celestials eh. You mean people like.... Bard? The 4-B? Interesting.WeeklyBattles said:They kinda are low-ends seeing as along with the Void destruction the Devs also confirmed that the Celectial Court scales to the baseline Celestials in the main multiverse
If you had listened earlier i was going to tell you that buuuuut
Not gonna comment on your view of Monarch's points (your opinion is yours) but what the hell do you mean by "wildly extrapolating statements"? They're blatantly referring to the destruction of universes and multiverses which just so happen to be Low 2-C and 2-A feats respectively. A lowball isn't always the correct interpretation of a feat otherwise we'd end up with Low 2-C Tier 1 verses.RegisNex1232 said:Can't really agree with wildly extrapolating statements and repeating them as if they are supposed to be reasonable arguments. Monarch has the reasonable points and makes more sense.
As always avoiding the actual argument but throwing in buzzwords to look like you are saying something.RegisNex1232 said:Can't really agree with wildly extrapolating statements and repeating them as if they are supposed to be reasonable arguments. Monarch has the reasonable points and makes more sense.
Even if we go the "they take time" route, you could take a million years to destroy the universe or multiverse and you'd still at the very least be Low 2-C. Also what do you mean it only scales to the god-tier? Statements already exist for the others about destroying universes, mulitiverses and all of creation but of course, they're taken to be flowery language or hyperbole.RegisNex1232 said:The actual argument that is being proposed against Monarch is "Let's take X statement about the single strongest entity in LoL and act like everyone else scales to it while conveniently ignoring that other characters take more time to carry out far weaker feats and that they end up working together to do bigger stuff.".
Not seeing how that is supposed to be worth listening to, especially when the quotes and statements being brought up don't exactly fit the argument.
You can find multiple statements of 5-B Superman. Doesn't make them anywhere near useful for wiki purposes. But you know what? Let's just say I'm incorrect:LSirLancelotDuLacl said:One off descriptions?
Multiple lines implicating a time frame is a one off description?
Multiple lines to all the people that should scale implicating power nowhere near is "one off statements"?
What is this ridiculous bull.
And no. If you aren't doing it in one go, it is not Low 2-C. It'd never be, not even close. You'd need to do it all at once.
A little confused here. Do you mean that the DS God is weaker/stronger than the Corruptants, or just that the DS God has its own feat and doesn't scale to the Corruptants and vice versa?Monarch Laciel said:- The Dark Star God, a living black hole which is capable of destroying universes, does not scale to the Corruptants. It is their god, them being weaker than it is inane.