Lookism Discussion Thread

[Pyro9278]

Actually no, Hansu is easily scaling to the 3x multiplier because that 3x multiplier was for normal CQC, not for unique. The unique one's multiplier got rejected, so yeah, I think the 3x is also usable.

So yeah 6.66 tons Tom and Hansu are real🗣

Considering that Gapryong did his feat casually, then he himself would also be H8C+

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I think you're confusing things. Because before you were saying that Tom Lee was holding back, and now you're saying that Tom Lee was using his FP and even beyond his limit to catch up to someone at High 8-C, when that person is currently even higher than Gapryong Kim's High 8-C.

Maybe I worded that wrong because its late sorry

For the Tom scaling both Gap and James scale to large building one just scales to a large degree, so Tom needing to use his full power and even go beyond his limit to scale to Gap's large bulding level feat while still being weaker than James wouldn't be contradictory (we have Gap's feat at 2 tons and James's feat at 6 tons a 3x difference)

As for the holding back part that was when he fought King

My point was that the ONLY time Tom has been compared to a character that scales to large building (in this case Gap) was when he by his own admission was breaking his own body in an attempt to kill James

The military trio doesn't make much sense either, given that they keep climbing to 9-A and can make a High 8-C struggle so much, lmao. If PTJ was portraying the gap between them as too great, we would have seen King get one-shotted, or, being generous, Tom himself would have finished the fight in their first encounter. However, that's not what we saw. Instead, we had a constant exchange of blows between Tom (one of whom even became enraged) and King. Did King show inferiority to Tom? Yes, but does that mean he can't scale? No.

I said in a previous post that I am fine with the MK dads being small building+ or even bulding level but anything higher is CURRENTLY (key word CURRENTLY) pushing it

If a new chapter came out and MK used CQC and blew up a large bulding (or jist performed a feat that scales to that) then sure I would agree

As for the King vs Tom thing, Tom could have also one shotted Taejin in 1A, but he didn't, he could have one shotted both Yuseong and Mandeok in 2A but he didn't, he could have just used 3T unique skill off rip and one shot Goo before he had a chance to get his hands on a sword but he didn't, also this literally happens all the time in MK

MK, Jincheol, Hansu, Samdak, Sophia etc are all holdsback men/women, so many of their fights have them exchanging blows only for them to reveal they were holding back and then hold back less and start winning, the best argument is Tom being enraged, but he didn't use any signature moves, or animal instinct he just whailed on him, we saw in lookism when Tom is ENRAGED FR he just starts hitting you with 4T off rip, he was biting people's arms off and donuting people
King got off easy if you ask me
you can easily argue he chose to not one shot King PRECISELY because he was enraged and he didn't want King to get off that easy (actually we LITERALLY have a statment that Tom would have been disappointed or something along those lines if King couldn't at least put up a fight lol)

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Actually no, Hansu is easily scaling to the 3x multiplier because that 3x multiplier was for normal CQC, not for unique. The unique one's multiplier got rejected, so yeah, I think the 3x is also usable.

So yeah 6.66 tons Tom and Hansu are real🗣

Wait, just to be sure I am not getting confused would this affect James and Kiate's scaling (them going from 6 to 18 tons of tnt?) or would they also go from 6 to 6.66 tons? Because the latter is far more reasonable since the diff isn't all that large and it would be in line with what they are portrayed as

 

[Powerscalingcat]

The same Gap scales below Seongji Brochacho

Dawg

I am hoping I am just having an autism moment and you're just joking and not being fr

 

[Pyro9278]

Maybe I worded that wrong because its late sorry

For the Tom scaling both Gap and James scale to large building one just scales to a large degree, so Tom needing to use his full power and even go beyond his limit to scale to Gap's large bulding level feat while still being weaker than James wouldn't be contradictory (we have Gap's feat at 2 tons and James's feat at 6 tons a 3x difference)

As for the holding back part that was when he fought King

My point was that the ONLY time Tom has been compared to a character that scales to large building (in this case Gap) was when he by his own admission was breaking his own body in an attempt to kill James

I said in a previous post that I am fine with the MK dads being small building+ or even bulding level but anything higher is CURRENTLY (key word CURRENTLY) pushing it

If a new chapter came out and MK used CQC and blew up a large bulding (or jist performed a feat that scales to that) then sure I would agree

As for the King vs Tom thing, Tom could have also one shotted Taejin in 1A, but he didn't, he could have one shotted both Yuseong and Mandeok in 2A but he didn't, he could have just used 3T unique skill off rip and one shot Goo before he had a chance to get his hands on a sword but he didn't, also this literally happens all the time in MK

MK, Jincheol, Hansu, Samdak, Sophia etc are all holdsback men/women, so many of their fights have them exchanging blows only for them to reveal they were holding back and then hold back less and start winning, the best argument is Tom being enraged, but he didn't use any signature moves, or animal instinct he just whailed on him, we saw in lookism when Tom is ENRAGED FR he just starts hitting you with 4T off rip, he was biting people's arms off and donuting people
King got off easy if you ask me
you can easily argue he chose to not one shot King PRECISELY because he was enraged and he didn't want King to get off that easy (actually we LITERALLY have a statment that Tom would have been disappointed or something along those lines if King couldn't at least put up a fight lol)

Obviously, against Yuseong and Taejin, the guy could have beaten them (Goo is a special case; it's not like we're scaling Goo to High 8-C with swords), but against King, he not only had to struggle but even had to use an amplifier because he got enraged when they broke his card.

What you're not understanding is that Tom uses amplifiers, but from his base form, he's already High 8-C. Not necessarily Full Power (FP) because we don't really know when his FP is; unfortunately, it's not like Dragon Ball, but we can tell from his performance, feats, and statements that Tom was really taking the fight seriously. Furthermore, Tom even states that King isn't really at the level of a Pre-Generation at his peak, and yet he IS capable of giving an older Tom who scales to High 8-C trouble.

 

[Pyro9278]

Wait, just to be sure I am not getting confused would this affect James and Kiate's scaling (them going from 6 to 18 tons of tnt?) or would they also go from 6 to 6.66 tons? Because the latter is far more reasonable since the diff isn't all that large and it would be in line with what they are portrayed as

Pwcat... Do you know how chain scaling works?

 

[Pyro9278]

Pwcat... Do you know how chain scaling works?

I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just that... If a character weaker than another gets stronger, then, by inverse proportion, the stronger one also adapts. So, if Tom Lee scale 6.6 tons, James and Kitae will grow stronger than that

 

[Viott]

Characters like James and Kitae would end up scaling massively above their own AP feats, when the whole point of the most recent feat was to establish exactly that lol

I also disagree because that exact type of loose narrative scaling to top tiers is what resulted in Mandeok and everyone and their mom scaling to Gap's gate feat in Busan cuz 'Gap was holding back anyway' 'AP ≠ DC' and so on

'Ap ≠ DC' only works in short A = B or A >< B like Gun vs Johan for example, where although Gun has never performed a 1 gigajoule feat himself he should scale to it because Johan performed a 1 gigajoule feat while fighting him and Gun can tank his attacks and damage Johan

In this case its the military dads vaguely scale to Tom who was exerting himself to an unknown degree and they should scale to 3x that with FP Tom scaling above them who scales to old Gap, both of which scale to James who scales to Kitae who scales to small UI Daniel who scales big UI Daniel who scales to TUI Gun who scales to Goo who scales to Pacheon who scales to-

Do you see what I mean when I say this is a slipper slope

If we can scale Tom's large building AP to the military dads because he vaguely exerted himself against King who they scale to, and Tom scales to a BUNCH of top tiers (Goo, James, Gun, Kitae) all of them scale to other top tiers (Pacheon, Gap, Shingen, Jinyoung, both Daniels) who scale to others and so on, if a character vaguely exerting themselves is enough to scale to the same tier of power as them, then you can easily apply that to the character who scale to said character and the character who scale to the characters who scale to that character and so on until the whole damm verse scales to it cuz 'x character was holding back anyways'

We already had a period where everyone and their mom scaled to Gap's gate feat, I don't want another chain scale of doom and despair where everyone scales to 18 tons lol

That wasn't the question I asked.


There is absolutely nothing that shows the characters are at maximum supersonic speed.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

And... what makes you think Gapryong will remain inferior in values to the military trio? I think you're forgetting something, Pwcat.

Yes I know the multiplier would upscale Gap as well lol

At least with Gap you can argue it was clear he was not fully exerting himself (and apparently also not using conviction) so I am actually somewhat fine with him scaling higher

It's mostly James and Kitae scaling 3x above a feat they performed in their prime, at full power, using their paths unless both of them agreed to hold back and use EXACTLY 1/3 of their power when performing that feat lol

I am fine with stuff like TUI Gun scaling to building level because base Gun can tank attacks from Johan who performed a small bulding+ attack which Gun could take hits from, same base Gun should scale to base Goo who TUI Gun should scale to etc etc

With MK the MK dad trio can just as easily scale to say 0.5 tons in base which would make them 1.5 tons with CQC, they would still scale to below Tom Lee while still being able to somewhat put up a fight (to be clear not saying that's exactly where they scale just that WHY are we assuming that they NEED to be large bulding level when they scale way lower and all the chain and narrative scaling would STILL work? As I said from my POV this just seems like an easy way to massively upscale the verse -.-. You are making it sound like the difference between building level and large building level is in the millions and that MK and the gang NEED to scale to large building level otherwise Tom's pinky finger would vaporize them or something building starts at 0.25 tnt and ends at 2 tnt that is an 8x difference, Gap feat is about 2.2 tons so MK and the gang can just as easly scale to 0.55 tons and still be able to put up a fight against Tom without getting one shot but also without needing to be large building level, putting up a fight doesn't mean your AP scales especially since King literally did 0 dmg to Tom their entire fight

 

[Sigmagoon14]

(them going from 6 to 18 tons of tnt?)

I am sorry but where did the 18 tons came from?


Edit: my bad, yeah they can scale to 6.66 tons not 18 tons

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just that... If a character weaker than another gets stronger, then, by inverse proportion, the stronger one also adapts. So, if Tom Lee scale 6.6 tons, James and Kitae will grow stronger than that

Yes I know how chain scaling works thank you for the concern

My issue from the start was that this is a pretty big leap in scale for looksim (from large building all the way to city block) which is entirely based on vague chain scaling from another verse that relies on a LOT of assumptions and ignores DC, the reason I bring up DC is because again why is vague chain scaling from a one off arc villain in MK have MORE weight and importance than a feat performed in the actual series we are trying to scale, by 2 top tiers at full power? Because we are assuming that what PTJ drew is 3x less than what he actually narratively intended, which fair PTJ probably doesn't take tons of TNT into account but even then an artist's vague idea of a city block feat would probably end up being more impressive than an ACTUAL city block level feat

(You can mostly ignore the last part that's just me spit balling anyhow I am tired ama go sleep its nearly 12 pm, power scaling cat out, peace)

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Considering that Gapryong did his feat casually, then he himself would also be H8C+

Love the fact Top tiers of the verse can one shot any street fighting manhwa while Mid tier is biting dust on 250 MJ

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I am sorry but where did the 18 tons came from?


Edit: my bad, yeah they can scale to 6.66 tons not 18 tons

oh

WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SO???
THAT'S SO MUCH MORE REASONABLE!

I can agree with that because the difference isn't all that massive compared to what the DC feats portrayed and characters like Gap who's feat scale to 2 tons were not using conviction and was implied to be holding back even his base strength so him and Tom scaling should also be fine

I am still not happy about the hypersonic speed thing but I'll live lol

I think I just have PSTD from years of bad faith hypersonic arguing for street tier verses

 

[Pyro9278]

Love the fact Top tiers of the verse can one shot any street fighting manhwa while Mid tier is biting dust on 250 MJ

There's really not much we can do for them, although it would be interesting if we managed to scale the Crew leaders above a Warren with CQC, although I see it as even more complicated than scaling King or SMK.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Love the fact Top tiers of the verse can one shot any street fighting manhwa while Mid tier is biting dust on 250 MJ

That's probably just PTJ making sure all the top tiers are ahead of the curve so they don't get power crept by the narrative like they used to back in the day lol

And also so we don't end up with any more 'how the F did BOS Jerry give King level Gun an 'unforgettable scar' incidents lol)

 

[Pyro9278]

That's probably just PTJ making sure all the top tiers are ahead of the curve so they don't get power crept by the narrative like they used to back in the day lol

And also so we don't end up with any more 'how the F did BOS Jerry give King level Gun an 'unforgettable scar' incidents lol)

I still don't understand PTJ's need to use Gun as a measuring stick when Goo barely scales to High 8-C by Tom and previously 9-A by Gun.

 

[Pyro9278]

Literally the characters who should be most involved at this point simply aren't... (Ahem, Vasco, ahem)

 

[CatLover313]

Literally the characters who should be most involved at this point simply aren't... (Ahem, Vasco, ahem)

Dw, after this flashback, PTJ will finally give him conviction

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I

oh

WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SO???
THAT'S SO MUCH MORE REASONABLE!

I can agree with that because the difference isn't all that massive compared to what the DC feats portrayed and characters like Gap who's feat scale to 2 tons were not using conviction and was implied to be holding back even his base strength so him and Tom scaling should also be fine

I am still not happy about the hypersonic speed thing but I'll live lol

I think I just have PSTD from years of bad faith hypersonic arguing for street tier verses

I am not against hypersonic lookism btw

The Pacheon fight genuinely had some batshit crazy power creep lmao, Goo almost at his weakest can move at the speed of sound, Pacheon can casually dodge that and considers the speed of sound slow, then you have 0 sword and moonlight 1-3, all of which are faster than sound to an unknown degree, then you have Pacheon's dark crocodile move I forgot the name of, then you have moonlight 5, then Pacheon's other even faster move I forgot the name of, then moonlight 6-8, and finally moonlight 8 to 50 and suddenly hypersonic lookism doesn't sound all that crazy

Though the way I see it, we are gonna get there eventually either way imo so I'd rather wait until we have concrete feats, as outside of the God tiers (Goo, James, Kitae, post prison Gun, both Daniels, fist Gang, Shingen, sword Pacheon(maybe, possibly, sorta, kind of?)

I think I worded my prior comments wrong I don't think Goo and Pacheon are necessarily supersonic (in my notes I actually ran out of supersonic+ to use I am on like supersonic+++++++++ because of how many tiers above it they are) I just don't have any concrete feat/statement to go off even though logically they should be in that range lol

So I do agree with you guys I am just waiting for more evidence

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I still don't understand PTJ's need to use Gun as a measuring stick when Goo barely scales to High 8-C by Tom and previously 9-A by Gun.

I find it so funny how Gun keeps getting retroactive upscales of doom and despair to justify him not getting power crept even though he is one that supposedly trains and gets stronger constantly

Meanwhile Goo, the guy that never trains (at least until Incheon) is just somehow always ahead of the curve even though he again, never trains

Its like PTJ swapped their roles lol

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Dw, after this flashback, PTJ will finally give him conviction

HE BETTER