Lookism Discussion Thread

[Powerscalingcat]

By chance, I came across an interesting feat listed on Johan's wiki that doesn't seem to have been approved yet.
Johan cleanly ripping a steel door off faster than Daniel can even tell what he did

I disagree wih the speed blizts thing, Daniel's comment doesn't mean he didn't see Johan rather he has no idea HOW he did, I say this because we literally see Daniel copy Johan later and replicate the feat and we know Daniel's copy works based on sight so by default he had to have seen how Johan did it

The statement might not be enough to suffice Johan doing it faster than Daniel could perceive, though it's definitely good for lifting strength in Low Tiers (since this is from Chapter 150, which is before even the God Dog arc, wherein Johan's hardware was called out for being terrible)
You could prob calculate the size of the door with Johan's hand

This I do agree with, not sure if I brought it up in my earlier post about BOS feats that haven't be calc'd

Seth bending a metal bar with his thumb (If anyone can find a study that calculates the strength of a hand in proportion to a thumb it might work? Johan overpowers in a thumb battle after this) Chapter 261 btw

This one I def sent hopefully someone calcs it

I ended up rereading through Hostel while looking for Seth's feats and got emotional from how much of a masterpiece the Hostel Tragedy was

True

I just wish darius didn't exist lol

All the character has accomplished is give PTJ a bad name for being unable to write male SA (not that the writing for the female SA is any better since it happened to Mira at least 2 times and there were never any consequences)

Its also just kind of hypocritical to have a derogatory gay stereotype in a series famous for yaoi baiting lol

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Random thought,why do we never scale Basement Hulk to High 8-C, since the narrative was practically screaming that Hangyeoul has physical stats of Tom Lee, and even Goo confirmed twice that he was on par with Tom Lee? So why do we never actually give him that rating?

 

[Pyro9278]

Random thought,why do we never scale Basement Hulk to High 8-C, since the narrative was practically screaming that Hangyeoul has physical stats of Tom Lee, and even Goo confirmed twice that he was on par with Tom Lee? So why do we never actually give him that rating?

Did Goo confirm that Lookism's Hulk has the same strength as Tom? I don't recall Goo saying that. A lot of that fight was really just a ridiculous display of endurance, though even an old Charles could have beaten him.

 

[CatLover313]

Random thought,why do we never scale Basement Hulk to High 8-C, since the narrative was practically screaming that Hangyeoul has physical stats of Tom Lee, and even Goo confirmed twice that he was on par with Tom Lee? So why do we never actually give him that rating?

We can’t forget that after the crewheads defeated BH, his brother than amped him up with drugs and he became red. Thats the version Goo fought and made those Tom statements of.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Did Goo confirm that Lookism's Hulk has the same strength as Tom? I don't recall Goo saying that. A lot of that fight was really just a ridiculous display of endurance, though even an old Charles could have beaten him.

Yup, the first time Basement Hulk was smacking him on the floor, and the second time Goo directly says, "This thing is Tom Lee's level in all but one aspect: it doesn't have intelligence." So yeah, if I remember right, Goo also calls him dangerous during that encounter.

Edit : Yup he said that twice

We can’t forget that after the crewheads defeated BH, his brother than amped him up with drugs and he became red. Thats the version Goo fought and made those Tom statements of.

Ain't no way that bum version has Gongseop-level AP. On his best day he scales to 50% Tom. I am talking about the one version Goo fought, because as I wrote above, Goo confirmed that the amped version is at Tom level. That's why I thought he should at least have scaling to Old Gap's feat.

 

[CatLover313]

Yup, the first time Basement Hulk was smacking him on the floor, and the second time Goo directly says, "This thing is Tom Lee's level in all but one aspect: it doesn't have intelligence." So yeah, if I remember right, Goo also calls him dangerous during that encounter.

Edit : Yup he said that twice

Ain't no way that bum version has Gongseop-level AP. On his best day he scales to 50% Tom. I am talking about the one version Goo fought, because as I wrote above, Goo confirmed that the amped version is at Tom level. That's why I thought he should at least have scaling to Old Gap's feat.

Ah that’s what u mean. Well I won’t disagree with that version of BH scaling, he got a clear cut statement backing him up

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Random thought,why do we never scale Basement Hulk to High 8-C, since the narrative was practically screaming that Hangyeoul has physical stats of Tom Lee, and even Goo confirmed twice that he was on par with Tom Lee? So why do we never actually give him that rating?

The only version of Tom Lee, Goo knew atp was the one he and Gun fought when they were 15, that version of Tom hadn't come out of retirement yet (Tom himself states it has been 3 years since he came out of retirement which is exactly when Goo and Gun were sent to test him during the white demon arc) which we see during their fight was nowhere near close to Tom's full power (Goo was unaware Tom was holding back and Tom was unaware how much stronger Goo had gotten) as Tom matched 1 sword Goo, when 0 sword Goo basically no diff'd basement hulk, this was phase 3 basement hulk, Goo compared phase 2 basement hulk to Tom (the one using a broken hammer as a weapon let alone a katana) according to Goo's own words the only difference between phase 2 BH and Tom is IQ, Goo straight up perceptioned blizted phase 3 No.1 who broke Goo's hammer before he could react (phase 3 should obviously be stronger than phase 2 so by that logic stronger than however strong Goo thinks Tom is)

Yet Tom was able to match 1 sword Goo and we know Tom was far from using his full power (signature moves, ultimate king etc)

Hyngeol himself also basically soft reconned himself in a later chapter by saying that basement hulk could become as strong as Tom Lee rather than actually being as strong as him

We have no idea how Goo and Gun testing Tom went however based on how Goo talks to Tom and how easily Tom was able to handle Goo (before Goo got a hold of a katana) it's entirely possible that Tom actually beat both 15 year old Gun and Goo, which wouldn't be all that crazy as Tom directly stated that 2A Yuseong and Madeok are on par with 15 year old Gun and Goo, that was a version of Tom that was playing with the workers per his own words due to being hired by Daniel, we saw him legit use finger flicks to fight both them and even nearly perception blizted yuseong, the only one who gave an impressive performance was Mandeok going blow for blow with him, however Tom was using his dangler inspector persona (which is him holding back) and Tom himself told Eugene, Yuseong and Madeok that he was holding back

So personally I would be against scaling BH to large building

As Tom was using air pressure finger flicks againsg yuseong who Tom directly compared to 15 year old Goo

And also how casually he was handling 1A Goo who was using the same amount of power as his 15 year old self (before he got serious and showed Tom how much he had grown promoting him to get more serious as well)

 

[Sigmagoon14]

The only version of Tom Lee, Goo knew atp was the one he and Gun fought when they were 15, that version of Tom hadn't come out of retirement yet (Tom himself states it has been 3 years since he came out of retirement which is exactly when Goo and Gun were sent to test him during the white demon arc) which we see during their fight was nowhere near close to Tom's full power (Goo was unaware Tom was holding back and Tom was unaware how much stronger Goo had gotten) as Tom matched 1 sword Goo, when 0 sword Goo basically no diff'd basement hulk, this was phase 3 basement hulk, Goo compared phase 2 basement hulk to Tom (the one using a broken hammer as a weapon let alone a katana) according to Goo's own words the only difference between phase 2 BH and Tom is IQ, Goo straight up perceptioned blizted phase 3 No.1 who broke Goo's hammer before he could react (phase 3 should obviously be stronger than phase 2 so by that logic stronger than however strong Goo thinks Tom is)

Yet Tom was able to match 1 sword Goo and we know Tom was far from using his full power (signature moves, ultimate king etc)

Yeah, that's why I think he can only scale to Gap's feat. Also, to add to that, Goo says he is dangerous not when he was joking, but when he got serious and started blitzing BH.
And my point still stands: if it was able to hurt Goo, and Goo even called him dangerous, meaning he should have enough AP to damage Goo. And Goo at that point already had Large Building level durability, so ain't no way that BH, who should be at 258 MJ, was able to damage and be a threat to Goo, whose dura is 9K MJ or higher.

Hyngeol himself also basically soft reconned himself in a later chapter by saying that basement hulk could become as strong as Tom Lee rather than actually being as strong as him

Actually, you are wrong here. Hangyeoul said that in 472, and I am talking about 473 because Goo's statement came from there. So yeah, there is no retcon here. Those statements from Goo still stand tall.

We have no idea how Goo and Gun testing Tom went however based on how Goo talks to Tom and how easily Tom was able to handle Goo (before Goo got a hold of a katana) it's entirely possible that Tom actually beat both 15 year old Gun and Goo, which wouldn't be all that crazy as Tom directly stated that 2A Yuseong and Madeok are on par with 15 year old Gun and Goo, that was a version of Tom that was playing with the workers per his own words due to being hired by Daniel, we saw him legit use finger flicks to fight both them and even nearly perception blizted yuseong, the only one who gave an impressive performance was Mandeok going blow for blow with him, however Tom was using his dangler inspector persona (which is him holding back) and Tom himself told Eugene, Yuseong and Madeok that he was holding back

Again, you are wrong. It's one of the big misconceptions in the PTJ verse that Yuseong and Mandeok were 15-year-old Gun & Goo level during 2A, which is not true at all. People think Tom got reminded of Gun and Goo means they are Gun and Goo's level, which is false because Tom himself wasn't sure if they're truly Gun and Goo level. That's why I said it's the biggest misconception of the verse. If Tom himself isn't sure, then why are people assuming he directly said that when he himself isn't sure and wanted to test them?