Low 2C outside the warp?

[ZacharyGrossman273]

This seems rather unusual, because "influence outside the warp" implies level of abilities within realspace, not the result of realspace being consumed. Being 2C out of the warp would make the events of Warhammer confusing as to why chaos can't just destroy the universe before it began, 2C granting control over an entire spacetime continuum. The expansion of the warp into realspace does not mean they are universal outside the warp, it means they could take realspace into their 1-B influence inside the warp.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. I will inform Azathoth about this thread.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

This is a bit of a tricky one.

The 3-C is more their level of influence outside the Warp while being actively inhibited by the Emperor, as even so, they can still actively manipulate large portions of the galaxy to their will.

The Low 2-C is based on what would happen if the Emperor was not there to hold them back. Basically, we're told that the influence of Chaos would burst forth into the universe, collapsing the Materium's dimensional walls and annihilating it utterly, making it just another part of the Warp.

Now it is true that this is because of the Warp breaching realspace, but it is Chaos' influence doing so, and is exactly what would happen were there not an equally powerful being constantly holding them back with his colossal psychic presence. Because of this, their influence would only be limited to 3-C were we to assume the universe they were trying to influence contained the God Emperor. In any other universe, they could presumably just destroy it were there not something in their way.

Here's where the problem lies, though. They would be destroying a universe currently outside of their jurisdiction, but would technically be doing so with the Warp (which is themselves). On top of this, we don't know their exact level of influence on the countless other universes connected to the Warp. Since the Daemons codex mentions that the Emperor was the strongest entity in existence at the height of his psychic power (as in, greater than any single Chaos God, which is why they were genuinely concerned about him), I strongly doubt even a notable fraction of said other universes have Emperor-level beings restricting the Chaos Gods' influence.

Because of this, perhaps the best rating for the Gods' influence outside the Warp would be something along the lines of "3-C while restricted, Unknown while unrestricted".

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Good idea, it's never even told how fast it would happen.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I can change it as soon as possible, if it is agreed upon.

 

[Lina_Shields]

@Azzy: It seems that your reasoning for the Chaos Gods outside the warp sounds fair. It was never really specified how strong they would be if they were unrestricted, even outside the warp anyways.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

How about 3-C outside the warp restricted, unknown but at least 3-C when unrestricted, and of course 1-C/1-B inside it.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I have made the appropriate changes.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, should we close this thread then?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I believe so.