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Do you know how biology works?
If he consumed all the power you wouldn't retrieve the star when you defeat him.
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Mario CRT (Low 2-C Upgrade)
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If he consumed all the power you wouldn't retrieve the star when you defeat him.
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Hey Matthew I have a good joke: someone tried to downgrade Mario to 9-B not once, but twice
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If you're gonna argue it works literally as if someone would eat a chocolate bar but said chocolate bar contains low 2-C energy then there would still be low 2-C energy in his cells, unless you want to argue eating a regular 3D chocolate bar would only give you 2D energy sometimes.
Or it's a temporary amp and he couldn't hold the power inside of him anymore after being defeated.
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Dimensional Differences are never considered in fiction and in fact do not count as an argument. You know this yourself and you're being disingenous.
Bottom line is it doesn't matter what tier the power source is, what matters are the feat that the character performs using them.
You're making more assumptions than I was (He simply didn't consume the star's whole power) therefore per Occam's Razor my assumption is more valid.
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Actually, you were the plank arguing that surface area was required for the feat while everyone else agreed that it was unanimously low 2-C
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As stated in that thread, albeit jokingly, that feat is 2-B, it nuked a pure heart
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Then it’d be inapplicable? But what about Grand Stars and Black Jewel?
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A single pure heart ain't 2-B
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Grand stars are being discussed, albeit with Matthew of all people and Black Jewel is "possibly" Low 2-C
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A single pure heart was pretty consistently used in the 2-B scaling chain for Mario, a single pure heart is 2-B
Also the Chaos Heart did that feat, which is undeniably 2-B
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He is being amped by the Star, which is a Low 2-C source. That's essentially like saying that Ganon with the Triforce isn't Tier 4/3/2 since you can retrieve the Triforce from him after being defeated. (Or literally any other example of some being being amped by some object) You can utilize/be amped by a power source without it disappearing.
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Black Jewel isn't Low 2-C this was discussed to not be a blatant instance where the creation does not scale to AP.
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I don't care about Zelda.
You're arguing that by eating the Grand Star he got all its power. If that was the case then it would simply be consumed / digested into the body and not retrieved at all.
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If dimensional differences aren't considered in fiction then what are we tiering exactly? Heck this low 2-C power can't be divided thing has been used more against me than for me.
Barry and Wally literally got a 2-A rating for being capable of absorbing the entire Speed Force at times, granted it's only a possibly. But at least in that case you can argue that they can't use all of it (mostly Bart and Barry), but with Bowser he literally treats the Grand Star like any other power up.
I think I can agree on it not being the entire thing per say. But he should be capable of using a slice of that power, a non-infinitesimal slice that is. Kinda same principle as a battery.
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Matthew, a 1/999999999999999th of Low 2-C is still Low 2-C.
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No?
Chaos heart>>>>>>>> a single pure heart.
Why would a 2-B thing die to a universal destruction?
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Yes, he is literally being empowered by it. You don't need to digest something in order to use all of its power. It's common in fiction to see someone being amped by a power source but not having to literally digest it. Besides, even if it was a fraction, a fraction of Low 2-C is still Low 2-C.
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Backwards scaling based on tiny fractions isn't acceptable and as I already stated there is no difference between dimensions as VBW uses them in fiction therfore the fact that it may be Low 2-C isn't an argument
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Because a 2-B thing that was far above it was the one performing that feat
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Do pure hearts have 2-B dura and/or EE resistance?
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The feat. Not the dimensional level.
People "empowered" by Grand Stars often have no feats above Tier 8 if you're being honest. Hell, Bowser himself explicitely can't touch the Grand Star Reactor without burning himself in the same game series showing that he doesn't scale to it.
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They don't have EE resistance on their page and since it sucks there isn't a Durability section either. Or a single pure heart key for that matter
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AoE fallacy
Heat Resistance =/= Physical Durability. That's like saying any character that can't touch the sun isn't 8-A
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Heat does not scale to Durability Matthew, why should Bowser be able to touch something leugues above his shown heat resistance?
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Bowser was literally physically harmed by the reactor and in fact that is how you defeat him in his boss fight. This blatantly shows that he does not scale and the Prima Guide you guys love to use even states that he can't touch it without burning himself.
You can't simultaneously argue for Low 2-C while also accepting this.
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He does not scale to the HEAT of the damn thing Matthew, if I was tier 8 with no heat resistance and I stuck my hand in molten lava I would be pulling out bones or nothing at all, does that make me 9-B or less? No.
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Yea, and while were at it, downgrade anyone that can't submerge themselves in the sun to 8-A at most.
Yes we can. Heat Resistance isn't equal to physical durability for reasons I said earlier. Bowser literally survived being in the epicenter of a Low 2-C explosion.
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Did he die from it? No
Did he go dangerously injured? No
Did he lost his consciousness? No
He tanked
You ignoring that a fraction of low 2-C is still low 2-C
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Most often of the time they don't have that many good feats actually.
He didn't. Do you understand that the Big Bang's heat is trillions of times higher than that of a reactor that just served as a catalyst for that same explosion. You can't simultaneously argue that he survived the former while being weak to the later.
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That page would still read Low 2-C without me bringing up anti-feats. This isn't a coincidence or whatever either since Kukui is still pursuing this argument of slices of low 2-C being low 2-C, which several staff agree with him on such as the Bleach thread iirc and DDM has even gone on record that you can't divide low 2-C feats.
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You're ignoring that this is Dimensional Downscaling which is not accepted on the wiki. I don't care if you believe in this it's not here, go to some other site where they think it's fine.
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This literally means that you can't make someone Low 2-C based on having a tiny fraction of Low 2-C. This is dimensional downscaling abuse which is not accepted.
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you mean the same reactor that was power by a low 2-C power source that also caused a low 2-C restart of reality, that bowser face tanked and even then he wasnt actually harmed by the fire and had the equivalent of touching a seatbelt buckle that has been sitting in the sun
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By your logic, we need to grant every character above 8-A Extreme heat resistance.
Doesn't change the fact that it was a Low 2-C explosion. And the Explosion wasn't the Big Bang, it was just a Low 2-C explosion/Black Hole that was tearing apart the fabric of the universe.
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You still didn't answer my questions,
Did he die from it?
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You're talking nonsense. You can't even form a coherent sentence. The reactor by itself is much less powerful than the ensuing Grand Star Explosion. This is factual. Bowser is harmed by the former and that is a key mechanic to his boss fight. Therefore you cannot argue that he scales to the later without actively ignoring the whole game and lying to yourself. It requires too much cognitive dissonance, an alternate explanation ought to be proposed and was accepted in past threads.
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Matthew... you mentioned mechanic..... game mechanics is a page.
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Saying that Bowser only absorbed a tiny fraction of a Low 2-C power source therefore he doesn't scale is frankly head canon. We literally see him directly being amped by it, not absorb a tiny fraction of it.
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The fact that it wasn't a regular explosion is more evidence to the fact that he didn't tank it all and didn't survive normally.
Mario would be killed by it and he wasn't in the epicenter (Neither was Bowser). They needed to be shielded or else they would die, this is also factual. Again you show a lack of awareness of the game you're arguing for.
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