Mario Vs. Zeekeeper

[Bobsican]

Because I feel like seeing if the rule to not scale Mario to Zeekeeper is still relevant.

Both at 2-B, speed not equalized.

The red plumber

The rainbow bird


Let's-a go!


I´m soo tired...

 

[Marionaruto1]

pretty sure Mario 2-B> then zee keeper 2-B

 

[Bobsican]

Why exactly?

 

[Marionaruto1]

while the Zeekeeper is the guardian of the Pi'llo and has shown capabilities and such in the game he does not seem comparable to the dream stone (which encompasses all dream universes), and if he is it would still be weaker than Mario using the pure hearts which already destroys the dream universes along with all other worlds.

so the pure hearts are higher in the 2-B realm.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, both are 2-B, so this should still work.

 

[Marionaruto1]

yes but Mario's 2-B is massively more powerful due to the pure hearts so he kinda easily takes this match.

I mean the zee keeper doesn't hold any kind of advantage in this match-up.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, he is faster than Mario.

 

[Marionaruto1]

but Mario's durability is higher. and he can eventually catch him by just as Luigi did

 

[Bobsican]

But Mario is now at a far smaller size, as he doesn´t have Luigi to help him.

 

[Marionaruto1]

mega mushroom

 

[Bobsican]

It doesn´t last too much, limits his moveset and can´t spam it.

 

[Marionaruto1]

Luigi bros move from paper jam begs to differ

The Best Attack in Mario & Luigi Paper Jam!

plus Mario can use zone speed

to make himself even faster

 

[Bobsican]

That one lasts even less than in New Super Mario Bros.

Anyways, even with the speed boost, Zeekeeper should still be faster.

 

[Marionaruto1]

I was using that video to show that Mario's move-set and speed are unaffected by the mega mushroom. and if Luigi could catch up to him Mario shouldn't have that much of an issue either + with zone speed that will simply make it faster to grab his legs.

 

[Bobsican]

But Mario wasn´t the one that used the mega mushroom.

 

[Marionaruto1]

is this some sort of special mega mushroom?

 

[Bobsican]

Well, stock items in Mario can´t really be spammed, as he doesn´t just summon them or something like that, but buys them from a store or gets them mid-way his adventures.

 

[Marionaruto1]

it'd be pretty broken if you could spam mega mushrooms in 2-D and 3-D games.

but as it's shown in the video above since the mega mushroom wouldn't hinder Mario. It's not like Luigi is pulling some special variation of the power-up.

besides Mario just needs to get the Zeekeeper once and boom he wins, he can time manipulate or use his dimensional flip gift and disappear from the Zeekeeper visual perspective and reappear on top of him.

 

[Bobsican]

Dimensional flip gift? Can you explain?

 

[Marionaruto1]

super paper Mario

Bestovius granted Mario the Flip ability, to flip between dimensions or switch between the second and third dimensions.

this allows Mario to bypass most enemies (who can't flip) sights and appear anywhere without them seeing him (including certain bosses), he can also leave others in the flipped dimension and leave them there.

 

[Bobsican]

But Zeekeeper is 3D, making that move useless.

 

[Marionaruto1]

Mario can flip between dimensions so if it's 3-D he'll flip between them and since the Zeekeeper can't flip he won't be able to see Mario when he does this.

 

[Bobsican]

Doesn´t Maio has limited time to use it before it starts harming himself?

 

[Marionaruto1]

Yes and no, It depends, mario doesn't take damage and can atay flipped for as long as he wants if he's holding the catch card of himself. Without it he will take one point of damage, basically minuscule damage and this will reset his counter so that he can stay flipped. So it depends if you wanna give mario the card or not. Either way he can stay flipped for a tremendous amount of time.

 

[Bobsican]

I think the best would be that he doesn´t have that card here.

 

[Marionaruto1]

That's fine, but mario still able to stay flipped for a long period of time (including the miniscule damage he'd take while staying flipped to reset the counter) so once again catching the zeekeeper is a non-issue.

 

[Bobsican]

Mario can do that in games after Super Paper Mario, then again?

 

[Marionaruto1]

While mario doesn't use it after super paper mario, that doesn't mean he can't use it since it was bestowed upon him as a gift,(he even uses it after the adventure in the game) It's a simalar thing with some of Mario's moves. (Like fludd and the super scope, exc) that doesn't deduct the options.

 

[Bobsican]

Okay.

How fair is the match so far?

 

[Marionaruto1]

Well, this match up is pretty much what my first comment was. Zeekeeper doesn't really have anything he can do to harm 2-B mario due to a huge power gap.

 

[GyroNutz]

This seems kinda redundant.

 

[Bobsican]

This seems kinda redundant.

Unlike the canon one, this is with Pure Hearts, rather than with dreamy Luigi.

 

[GyroNutz]

Yeah. He already lost to someone far less haxed