Marvel Comics Revisions 2022.12.07

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

To quote myself on the issues there; 1) Infinite is just a hyperbole. 2) The infinite space inside the book does not match the limited book as it is when seen from the outside, so to affect (lift) the book is just to affect a regular book because that is what it is. 3) It's a magic book. Hence it looks limited w/o being limited. 4) "Infinite" isn't a hyperbole but it goes as in "ever-growing", it being finite but forever in the future growing in size.

This is no better than some random infinite power statement. The issue outside the feat itself is how Thor and everyone who scales to him have issues lifting things of limited weight.

Does anyone have anything to say about this?
Should Thor's intelligence be "Gifted, Nigh-Omniscient with Cosmic Awareness"?

 

[AndrewBennet]

I've found something useful to support multiversal Odin

 

[Eficiente]

Great. Source?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Should Thor's intelligence be "Gifted, Nigh-Omniscient with Cosmic Awareness"?

 

[Antvasima]

I've found something useful to support multiversal Odin

That seems far too vague, and, if I remember correctly, the guidebook in question was written by Tom DeFalco, who is extremely prone to very hyperbolic statements, and it was evidently just intended to get new readers interested in reading the Marvel comic books, not to be taken extremely seriously.

 

[Eficiente]

Well, it's not vague. One could say that maybe they could only destroy and create the multiverse all together, but it's decently understandable from that text that any one of them could do it.

If other staff gets evidence against statements made by Tom DeFalco then that's something, but otherwise it's nothing we can work on to deny this.

Marvel does very likely power creeps the relevance and limits of super feats that came before into irrelevance and then doesn't stop there for the future, but that's just them being stupid. It doesn't mean that when they do it they're wrong. If they state X is 2-A then X is 2-A. It doesn't matter that it's intended to get new readers interested to get in on Marvel via how cool its OPness is because doing that=/=showing false info because of it.

Now, a good point would be if if we had evidence from the comics of a few of this characters being unable to deliver on destroying or creating a multiverse, which takes far more relevance and thus makes this statement be dismissed. But w/o that, I agree with using it.

 

[Antvasima]

Mind you, Tom DeFalco is still a genuinely really nice guy as far as I am aware. I just don't find a scan with snippets of information that roughly said: "Aaaaarrrrg! Odin (a character that I love and wrote for a long time) is more powerful than Mikaboshi." reliable.

Mind you again, Tom DeFalco wrote the most likeable versions of Thor and Odin. I have nothing whatsoever against him as a person.

I accidentally posted this in another thread, but it applies here. I apologise for any resulting confusion.

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Eficiente

Do you have any work procedure updates?

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if Eficiente hasn't had the time to do sufficient research for any updates here, all we can do is wait for the moment.

 

[Excellence616]

Well, if Eficiente hasn't had the time to do sufficient research for any updates here, all we can do is wait for the moment.

OKAY

 

[Eficiente]

I am making updates over time, if you guys paste "?action=watch" over the end of the link of this sandbox and press Enter you will see the updates it has over time, it can be unfollowed after this thread is over.

Otherwise it's kinda hard to update the thread with minor things I add over time.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Just provide us with any major updates then, please.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I am making updates over time, if you guys paste "?action=watch" over the end of the link of this sandbox and press Enter you will see the updates it has over time, it can be unfollowed after this thread is over.

Otherwise it's kinda hard to update the thread with minor things I add over time.

Your sandbox needs to conform to the new Striking Strength revision.

 

[Recap_]

I found feat Thanos 2-a.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I found feat Thanos 2-a.

This has been brought up many times

We had a CRT that made Odin's tier "Varies from 3-C to 2-A". The only way this is 2-A is if we accept Odin in this fight as being 2-A and not 3-C

 

[Recap_]

Okay

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

We had a CRT that made Odin's tier "Varies from 3-C to 2-A". The only way this is 2-A is if we accept Odin in this fight as being 2-A and not 3-C

Or 2-C why isn't Odin Varies from 2-C to 2-A?

 

[Antvasima]

Presumably because he has quite a lot of very inconsistent low-level showings against characters that have never dislayed anywhere near such a scale of power.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Presumably because he has quite a lot of very inconsistent low-level showings against characters that have never dislayed anywhere near such a scale of power.

Sure that it isn't PIS? Odin's own profile says that at his weakest he's comparable to Thor who is 2-C at peak

 

[Excellence616]

Eficiente/SandboxA

vsbattles.fandom.com

Thor's immeasurable lifting strength and infinite strength via scaling from Hulk was removed along with other high herald characters?

 

[Antvasima]

Sure that it isn't PIS? Odin's own profile says that at his weakest he's comparable to Thor who is 2-C at peak

Thor is not usually remotely portrayed as a tier 2-C character, and Odin was recurrently portrayed as a galactic scale threat or lower.

 

[Antvasima]

Eficiente/SandboxA

vsbattles.fandom.com

Thor's immeasurable lifting strength and infinite strength via scaling from Hulk was removed along with other high herald characters?

Well, it seems best to wait until Eficiente finishes with his research.

 

[Excellence616]

Well, it seems best to wait until Eficiente finishes with his research.

Okay.

 

[Eficiente]

Update so far: I'm in the part of the thread that says "Loki could use a small blog listing feats and anti-feats", building that in this blog that you guys can follow in the same way, but it turns out I found even more anti-feats he had around the issues I was going to list, as well as solid evidence to dismiss speed feats where characters travel from Asgard to Earth as the Rainbow Bridge helps them in an invisible/not noticeable sort of way. I listed the latter for later elsewhere and I got bored with both things at Thor Vol 1 369, so I'm moving on with the rest.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks a lot for helping out. I greatly appreciate it.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

How's this for Thor's equipment? It's a glove that grants him Mind Manipulation preventing him and one other person from lying when the four discs on its palm shake the other's hand.

 

[Antvasima]

It probably works as optional equipment.

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Eficiente is still gradually doing research about this.

 

[Eficiente]

I'm gonna focus in another verse for like a week, after that I will coninue with this thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks a lot for helping out. It is very appreciated.

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Eficiente

How is your work with this progressing?

 

[Eficiente]

I finished that so I will slowly start to coninue with this thread now.

 

[Excellence616]

I finished that so I will slowly start to coninue with this thread now.

Okay

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for helping out.

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Eficiente

Are you still interested in this project? Your help would be very appreciated, and you are allowed to gather other knowledgeable members to help you do research if you wish.