Marvel: Escapade's High 1-A feat

[The_Impress]

In Marvel United: A Pride Special Vol 1 1, Escapade is able to copy the powers of the Never Queen to conceptually erase Hatemonger from existence.

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This is seemingly done by Loki giving her mental access to something that allows her to perceive the Never Queen, just a hypothesis though, and essentially it doesn't seem replicable by her otherwise in canonical settings.

The only scaling relevance is to Escapade herself here, who can channel and copy powersets up to High 1-A

The feat is done in a story penned by Al Ewing, whose familiarity with the cosmology isn't very questionable (in general noting recent Marvel trends regarding pioneer characters this placement is likely on purpose). Lowkey I'm just yapping to fill space right now since this is a very cut and dry feat that doesn't break much of anything.

So yeah, proposal is for Escapade's tier to be "10-A, higher with technology. Up to High 1-A via powers", and probably locking the page

This also gives an additional weakness for her power, than higher-dimensional targets make her mentally lose control of herself

 

[Eseseso]

Makes sense

 

[Rgerdeena]

Agreed

 

[Rgerdeena]

Makes sense

How in the world did you comment at almost the exact same time as I originally did

 

[MrKerf]

I remember you showing us that...

Disagree on the principle of this being one singular outlier, with no other counts of her copying other High 1-As.

 

[Eseseso]

How in the world did you comment at almost the exact same time as I originally did

Hax

 

[The_Impress]

Disagree on the principle of this being one singular outlier, with no other counts of her copying other High 1-As.

What's the contradiction? There has to be a contradiction for there to be an outlier lol.

 

[MrKerf]

What's the contradiction? There has to be a contradiction for there to be an outlier lol.

No it hasn't... Hasn't? Anyways, from what I saw, Escapade is a 5-B to 3-C with her power. High 1-A is inconsistent, and a huuuuge leap. It would be very fair to compare it to other examples of Outliers.

 

[The_Impress]

No it hasn't... Hasn't? Anyways, from what I saw, Escapade is a 5-B to 3-C with her power. High 1-A is inconsistent, and a huuuuge leap. It would be very fair to compare it to other examples of Outliers.

All the examples in the page have a contradicted showcase. This doesn't.

As I asked on Discord, what's not getting reconciled? What is this not consistent with? Literally, produce an antifeat. Gaps don't matter if there is no antifeat and there is a mechanic lol.

 

[Mbpoops]

Following..

 

[Re5yh]

Agree

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Seems fine.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Yeah, this is probably fine.

One could wonder whether this constitutes more of an anti-feat for Never Queen's High 1-A (Because, you know, the premise of all the 1-A tiers is that you can't add together non-1-A with non-1-A to yield 1-A), but this doesn't really seem like anything that we'd consider problematic. She's not really exerting some brute force on the Never-Queen, or extending some energy into the Outside, or jumping there, or anything to the effect. Given the mechanic behind it and how this feat in specific happened, it seems her power would be more analogous to something like this:

Furthermore, since the "lack of continuity" that exists between the higher level and the lower one is structural, and not causal, there can potentially be more unorthodox ways of bypassing the 1-A barrier. For example: Things that don't have anything to do with raw power, but just a general transfer/exposure of information between one level and another.

So yeah, sure.

 

[The_Impress]

Also as said she can't replicate this by herself otherwise, this is combat inapplicable in the setting as Abstracts aren't present on an accessible plane in Marvel (or at least that's what this comic presents)

So this is only relevant in regards to the potency of hax, not range (This might be workable under SBA by our standards)

 

[Antvasima]

This is a clear-cut feat that I have mentioned myself in the past. That said, as I have also mentioned, I think that Marvel Comics (seemingly primarily Al Ewing and Steve Orlando) is giving more and more characters story-breaking powers, including Escapade.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright.

 

[The_Impress]

That said, as I have also mentioned, I think that Marvel Comics is giving more and more characters story-breaking powers, including Escapade.

This one is at least unscaleable, non-physical and doesn't contradict anything. Probably the best way you can try to up a character to that level without breaking something.

Anyways 3 admins and a bureaucrat accepted this, good to apply?

 

[The_Impress]

Also as an FYI this feat gets referenced in Avengers Academy: Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic Vol 1 56, where they set up that she is a part of some grandiose build up to her role in the multiverse, and changes her powerset up abit definitionally to reflect her new positioning

I'm not touching that yet because I would like to see a follow-up to it before acting on it.

 

[Antvasima]

This one is at least unscaleable, non-physical and doesn't contradict anything. Probably the best way you can try to up a character to that level without breaking something.

Well, Escapade literally has the power to render absolutely anybody else powerless, including the most powerful cosmic entities (the Never Queen is second only to the One Above All among characters that are not completely transcendental and noncorporeal), by taking their power for herself, and can then do anything she wants to them, if I haven't misunderstood. If that isn't a storybreaking cheat power, I do not know what is.

However, at least Escapade is a morally good and reasonably responsible character. If the Marvel writers and editors had given this level of beyond infinite power to, for example, Doctor Doom or Mystique, I would have found it extremely frustrating to deal with.

Anyways 3 admins and a bureaucrat accepted this, good to apply?

Yes, of course.

 

[Antvasima]

Also as an FYI this feat gets referenced in Avengers Academy: Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic Vol 1 56, where they set up that she is a part of some grandiose build up to her role in the multiverse, and changes her powerset up abit definitionally to reflect her new positioning

I'm not touching that yet because I would like to see a follow-up to it before acting on it.

I just browsed through the final chapters of that digital comicbook, and it seems to have been cancelled a year ago with no intended follow-up to its unconcluded stories in sight.

 

[The_Impress]

Done, lock the page

 

[Antvasima]

I have done so.

 

[Antvasima]

Should we lock this thread?

 

[The_Impress]

yeah

 

[Antvasima]

I have done so.