Marvel street tier upgrades

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

This has been coming for a long time, upgrading Captain America to 8-C would be more consistent for scaling.

After several months of finding and calculating, I have calculated a 0.52 ton feat for John Walker. Steve Rogers is weaker, but still scales.

After consulting Ant and Zark, I have made a revised list of characters who scale. Mostly Captain America, Wolverine, Black Panther, etc. X-23 is slightly inferior to Wolverine, but she scales too.

Honey Badger should probably get "at most 8-C" or "at least 9-A".

Winter Soldier should just be 8-C for his metal arm which is on par with Cap.

For the Crossbones-Falcon tier, they would be at least 9-A scaling to Kingpin who casually crushed a rock. While the Daredevil tier would downscale to just 9-A.

I am still uncertain on some characters on that list, so I would appreciate ore input.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Woop woop!

What you have in your sandbox seems a-okay to me, though my knowledge is limited.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

As I posted on Ant's wall, characters I'm uncertain about:

Beetle: His only 8-C feat would be tanking a hit by Iron Fist, but he also got harmed by the likes of Black Widow and Winter Soldier (as shown on her profile).

Fantomex: His profile says he is comparable to Archangel, Deadpool, Wolverine and Mystique. Archangel and Wolverine are 8-C but the other two aren't.

Dreadpool: Killed versions of Iron Fist and Wolverine, but is supposed to be comparable to Deadpool.

 

[Hellbeast1]

I agree with all of this

 

[Dark-Carioca]

This seems fine

 

[The_Impress]

Beetle is a she, also she has extremely limited appearances anyhow, her as 8-C is fine

Fantomex can be equated to Deadpool level, it's more accurate for him

Dreadpool, the scaling nightmare. Just equate him to Deadpool

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Should Winter Soldier base strength be at least 9-A or just 9-A? His page says he beat up an amplified Crossbones.

 

[The_Impress]

Probably an At least for WS.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I can agree with that.

 

[Eficiente]

So what are all the feats on this level?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

John Walker tanking an oil truck explosio.

 

[Eficiente]

I don't think that's enough, especially how it's an odd looking feat, from old comics and by a lesser known character.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Captain America already upscales from Daredevil and 8-C is much more consistent for him.

There's also Cable's 8-C feat, who scales to Beast who is superior but not overwhelmingly superior to Captain America.

 

[Hellbeast1]

And I'd note how a character being lesser known feels like an odd reason to ignore it

Especially since Agent isn't that obscure

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

8-C Batman better be next Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan OvO.

 

[Eficiente]

2 feats don't seem enough neither, sorry.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yet only 1 feat plus upscaling is sufficient for 9-A?

8-C seems more consistent in terms of feats as the only 9-A feat we currently use for them is Captain America throwing his shield, which is iffy in the first place.

Plus it's also consistent in terms of scaling as Captain America beats the shit out of the likes of Daredevil and Batroc when serious.

 

[Eficiente]

I mean, it is a lower tier. Cap is above other characters and all but that doesn't necessarily place him well in a higher tier.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Also yes, I agree with this.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I actually do agree with this, it makes sense for me.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Damn it my computer crashed and ate my comment, I need to start typing about how Captain America > Daredevil again

 

[The_Impress]

Not really Efi, they're definitely higher tiered than Daredevil. It's so blatantly obvious that no paragraphs are needed to explain why.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Anyway as I was saying Captain America level characters consistently beats the shit out of 9-A characters when he is actually trying.

So here are stuff I collected a while ago on the "big three" 8-Cs.

Captain America

• Disguised as Crossbones, Cap fights through a ladder of villains before revealing himself to Batroc, and fighting all of the villains at the same time before escaping.
• Fights Batroc, Machete and Zaran at the sometime, and is doing just fine.
• Daredevil does alright at first, but Cap takes him down in two hits when he's serious.
• Zemo gets outskilled by Captain America despite having the former's vibrnaium shield, who then downs him in 2 hits.
• Dodges all of Gambit's explosives, blocks and breaks his staff. Gets heavily injured by Gambit's powers, but proceeds to beat up Gambit badly anyway.
• Owns Batroc without his shield and even let's him have a free shot, but gets back up easily and knocks him out.
• Owns Batroc agai.
• One-shots Batroc when he's serious while Cap's off his game on ice.
• Easily defeats Batroc again and tells him he's not even in his top ten enemies list.
• Beats Crossbones without the Super Soldier Serum.
• Outmatches Crossbones, causing Crossbones to flee.
• Bucky says that Cap's in another league compared to him.
• One-shots Deadpool and leaves him out of cold for an extended period of time.

Black Panther

• Outmatches Vlad the Impaler.
• Pretends to be knocked out by Daredevil, and says that he was too weak to do any harm to him.
• Destroys Karnak.
• Destroys Karnak agai.
• One-shot Deadpool.
• Destroys Deadpool agai.

Wolverine

• Takes on eight peak humans and wins.
• Surprise attacked by Daredevil but easily recovers and puts him in a hold.
• Disarms and defeats Winter Soldier rather easily.

 

[The_Impress]

Again though, not needed. It's blatantly clear there is a considerable power gap present there.

 

[KLOL506]

I agree with Zark. Cap and those comparable to him are in a whole different league compared to the low-end street tiers.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Off-topic but I would also like to propose a Class 50 (eye-balled) rating for Captain America's energy shield, which lifted a portion of a fallen building and wreckage of Galactus's ship (a better shot of the wreckage he held). His energy shield redirects force to an unknown extent.

 

[KLOL506]

someone should seriously calculate Cap lifting the trees and telephone poles because no way in hell are those low-end Class 5. I wonder why people removed those scans for him in the first place.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Also I think Man Ape uprooting trees could help

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Hardwood trees with a 14-inch diameter on the other hand, will weigh 1 ton. Larger hardwood trees that are around 24 inches in diameter can weigh as much as 3.55 tons while mature hardwood trees that already have 36 inches in diameter or 113 inches in circumference can weigh a whopping 8.21 tons.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Somewhat unrelated to Marvel (though JLA/Avengers is canon with both Marvel and DC so Cap's fight with Batman actually happened, and one could in theory scale the two), but there are several Batman feats calculated here that put Post-Crisis Batman at Class 10 or Class 25

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I also just calculated a Class 10 Nightwing feat today, and has been planning to upgrade their LS.

Probably include that in the future DC street tier revision.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

What are people's thoughts on JLA/Avengers being canon, since characters like Thor or Superman are on the same tier which goes in line with the crossover?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

We don't use crossovers to scale due to their inconsistency.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Anyway we probably should't derail this thread too much, Hellbeast1 and I are planning a DC street tier revision soon.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Seems strange that in some cases here (Freddy VS Jason, Alien VS Predator) that rule is ignored

 

[Hellbeast1]

Those crossovers are canon

Predators and Aliens are pretty regularly enemies

 

[Dark-Carioca]

JLA/Avengers is canon as well, as I said lol

And far less debatable than FvJ

But this is getting off-topic, sorry

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Quick question, exactly how many tons does Spiderman scale from?

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Which one lol there's like alot of them.

 

[The_Impress]

@Zamasu 4.45 tons

@Carioca Well for starters didn't JLA/Avengers literally have fights which were won by a fan poll? Add to that both universes were restarted once Amalgam Comics ended.

@All Focus on applying the revisions at hand first. Call all the Knowledgeable Members for Marvel Comics, they're not listed there for only Marvel Cosmology, when a fourh of the verse is going to scale to these feats.

Also for heaven's sake stay objective y'all, this is needed to be applied in under a week. Keep your other revisions once we don't have impending forum shut down.