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Mashle's Recalculations

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I've noticed that some calculations within the Mashle: Magic and Muscles universe contain certain flaws. I will present arguments for each of them and demonstrate my own improved calculations, correcting the issues I identified.

1 – Dot intercepts a stone head

The original calculation related to this scene shows some inaccuracies, particularly in the reference points used. First, the character Rayne’s height was assumed to be 1.70 meters, but his actual height is 1.75 meters. While a 5 cm difference might seem minor, it can significantly affect scaling.

Moreover, the original calculation used a stone density of 2,550 kg/m³, based on a website that is now offline. For greater reliability, I used a more consistent value of 2,800 kg/m³ for stone density.

With these corrections, the Attack Potency increases from 9-A (Small Building level) to 8-B (City Block level), and the Lifting Strength moves from Class M to Class M/G.

2 – Mash throws a giant scorpion

The original calculation, was based on cubic proportions of a generic black scorpion. However, the scorpion Mash faces resembles more closely an Emperor Scorpion and is visibly much longer—implying a significantly higher mass and, therefore, a much more impressive throwing feat.

With these revisions, the Attack Potency increases from 7-C (Town level) to 7-B/7-A (City/Mountain Level), and the Lifting Strength upgrades from Class T to Class P.

3 – Mash throws a buffed giant

The original estimation places the giant at a little over 300 meters tall, based on a tree. However, I believe this figure is underestimated, as the giant makes the entire school arena look tiny in comparison. Instead, I based my scale on the arena walls, which give a clearer sense of the monster’s massive size in that panel. Additionally, I included the mass of the chains for more accurate results.

With these changes, the Attack Potency increases from High 6-C (Large Island level) to High 6-A (Multi-Continental level), and the Lifting Strength goes from Class E to Class Y.

4 – Mash pushes a continent

This calculation contains more flaws than the others. The original estimate for the continent's mass was 7e18 kg, based on a YouTube video—but that value is drastically underestimated. I took a more accurate approach: I calculated the area of the continent using the arithmetic mean of all real-world continents, multiplied it by the average thickness of the continental crust to obtain the volume, and then applied the typical crust density of 2,700 kg/m³. This method provides a much more solid and realistic estimate.

As for the speed, I agree with the idea of using Innocent Zero's Thirds Sphere as a reference. However, Mash moves beyond this sphere, and the size of the sphere itself is underestimated. It’s explicitly shown to be relative to the Earth's curvature, indicating a much larger diameter. This results in significantly higher scaling for both the sphere and Mash’s feat.

With all corrections applied, the Attack Potency jumps from 6-A (Continental Level) to Low 5-B (Small Planet Level). I’ve also added Lifting Strength, which is Class Z/Y.

Based on everything presented, I propose a major update to the calculations for Mashle: Magic and Muscles.

Thank you for your attention.
 
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First, you need these calculations accepted by calc group members.

Second, your sizes are way off.
Second calc scorpion is nowhere near 500 meters. I do not think you understand how big that would be. Original calc is way more appropriate.

Third calc is again way off. That giant can be compared to many things including coliseum, walls, Mash and chains. It is nowhere near 1.8 km.

And for the last calc, original calc deliberately uses smallest continent (not europe?). It is not a flaw. It is being conservative.

Edit: Link to original calc in second calc is wrong.
 
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First, you need these calculations accepted by calc group members.

Second, your sizes are way off.
Second calc scorpion is nowhere near 500 meters. I do not think you understand how big that would be. Original calc is way more appropriate.

Third calc is again way off. That giant can be compared to many things including coliseum, walls, Mash and chains. It is nowhere near 1.8 km.

And for the last calc, original calc deliberately uses smallest continent (not europe?). It is not a flaw. It is being conservative.

Edit: Link to original calc in second calc is wrong.
1 - Regarding the giant's calculation, the scan I used as a reference for his height is precisely the one that highlights his immensity, showing a panel where the giant is vastly larger than the entire school. The reason I didn’t compare him to Mash is that those scans are inconsistent (as mentioned in the original calculation and so on).

2 - About the scorpion, I don’t have much to comment — I believe your reasoning is solid.

3 - Regarding the continent, I believe you may not have looked at the original calculation. What I point out as flawed is precisely the mass being estimated solely based on the weight of a country (in this case, Australia) using a YouTube video, which, as I mentioned, is extremely low in a realistic comparison. That’s why I proposed my own way of thinking to estimate the continent’s mass more accurately (I recommend revisiting that part), based on average thickness, the arithmetic area of continents, and multiplying by the density of the continental crust.

But aside from that, could the continent and Dot's calculations work?


(by the way, thanks for the correction regarding the link)
 
Anyways, your calculated size for the scorpion is hella wrong. But, that's not to say there isn't room for an upgrade. The anime shows Mash backhanded the scorpion and it getting sent out to that distance almost instantly. It's like, less than a second iirc.

The giant is also definitely not that big. Every other page shows it not being over a kilometer tall, pretty sure it would reach the clouds at that point. High 6-A at this point of the story is also dumb, since tens of chapters later state that Levis' railgun is able to decimate a country and match the Visionaries (likely the non-important ones anyways)

And if we do need to find a size for the continent in Mashle, get something from the curvature, or scale part of the coast to the mountains that litter the area. We also have a cleaner map in the form of the fanbook, that could make things easier.
 
Anyways, your calculated size for the scorpion is hella wrong. But, that's not to say there isn't room for an upgrade. The anime shows Mash backhanded the scorpion and it getting sent out to that distance almost instantly. It's like, less than a second iirc.

The giant is also definitely not that big. Every other page shows it not being over a kilometer tall, pretty sure it would reach the clouds at that point. High 6-A at this point of the story is also dumb, since tens of chapters later state that Levis' railgun is able to decimate a country and match the Visionaries (likely the non-important ones anyways)

And if we do need to find a size for the continent in Mashle, get something from the curvature, or scale part of the coast to the mountains that litter the area. We also have a cleaner map in the form of the fanbook, that could make things easier.

About the giant issue:
I specifically use that panel because it emphasizes his immensity precisely in that panel, and also, the manga is extremely inconsistent regarding his height—literally in every panel he kept shrinking.


Regarding power scaling:
In chapter 90 of Mashle (mentioning the Country-level tier in Levis' Seconth), it's explicitly shown how Mash is far above Country level, casually deflecting the shots and in the following chapter resisting and casually breaking his armor created by his Thirds (worth noting that in a Thirds, basic spells have the power of a Seconth), which the manga heavily reinforces to show Mash surpassing the Country level, so multi-continental level wouldn’t be inconsistent.


And about the continent...
I don’t have access to the fanbook—does it offer anything that could help in determining the continent's area? Either way, I kind of just want to scale the feat to at least multi-continental (because he’s explicitly at that level). And using manga panels to determine the area wouldn’t work—the panel showing the curvature doesn’t display the full extent of the continent (which is explicitly stated in that scene).
 
About the giant issue:
I specifically use that panel because it emphasizes his immensity precisely in that panel, and also, the manga is extremely inconsistent regarding his height—literally in every panel he kept shrinking.
Even then, it is nowhere near a kilometer tall. Again, if it was, the monster would be up in the clouds. And we have no proof that Mashle's world is bigger than our own to such a degree.
Regarding power scaling:
In chapter 90 of Mashle (mentioning the Country-level tier in Levis' Seconth), it's explicitly shown how Mash is far above Country level, casually deflecting the shots and in the following chapter resisting and casually breaking his armor created by his Thirds (worth noting that in a Thirds, basic spells have the power of a Seconth)
Summons actually, but that's not the point-
, which the manga heavily reinforces to show Mash surpassing the Country level, so multi-continental level wouldn’t be inconsistent.
It would heavily be inconsistent. With our multipliers, we would be getting to what, planetary levels of power? Power that's exclusive to literal God tier characters. And to hammer in this inconsistency, if this giant throw is High 6-A, wanna know who it would scale to? Margarette, and I don't need to explain how bullshit that is.
And about the continent...
I don’t have access to the fanbook—does it offer anything that could help in determining the continent's area? Either way, I kind of just want to scale the feat to at least multi-continental (because he’s explicitly at that level). And using manga panels to determine the area wouldn’t work—the panel showing the curvature doesn’t display the full extent of the continent (which is explicitly stated in that scene).
Ask for the page in the Mashle discussion thread.
 
Even then, it is nowhere near a kilometer tall. Again, if it was, the monster would be up in the clouds. And we have no proof that Mashle's world is bigger than our own to such a degree.

Summons actually, but that's not the point-

It would heavily be inconsistent. With our multipliers, we would be getting to what, planetary levels of power? Power that's exclusive to literal God tier characters. And to hammer in this inconsistency, if this giant throw is High 6-A, wanna know who it would scale to? Margarette, and I don't need to explain how bullshit that is.

Ask for the page in the Mashle discussion thread.
the giant surpasses the clouds in truth
 
Even then, it is nowhere near a kilometer tall. Again, if it was, the monster would be up in the clouds. And we have no proof that Mashle's world is bigger than our own to such a degree.

Summons actually, but that's not the point-

It would heavily be inconsistent. With our multipliers, we would be getting to what, planetary levels of power? Power that's exclusive to literal God tier characters. And to hammer in this inconsistency, if this giant throw is High 6-A, wanna know who it would scale to? Margarette, and I don't need to explain how bullshit that is.

Ask for the page in the Mashle discussion thread.
I don't think there's any evidence that planet level is exclusive to the god tiers, you say it's inconsistent but what's the inconsistency? That Adam and IZ have the DC to destroy the planet but other characters don't? That's not a contradiction, it's just an ap vs dc thing.

What's wrong with high 6-A macron? Only thing I can think of is the levis country statement, but the problem is that levis's knowledge on the visionary's in general isn't that high, there's also the issue that macron scales to rayne who's stated to be one of the stronger visionary's, so Macron could just be above the lower tier visionary's who might be bound to that statement
 
Even then, it is nowhere near a kilometer tall. Again, if it was, the monster would be up in the clouds. And we have no proof that Mashle's world is bigger than our own to such a degree.
Not a Mashle goon, but generally if something has a super inconsistent size, It'd be advised to calculate all notable showings of their height, and calculate the average from it. So that could be a feasible solution here.
 
Even then, it is nowhere near a kilometer tall. Again, if it was, the monster would be up in the clouds. And we have no proof that Mashle's world is bigger than our own to such a degree.

Summons actually, but that's not the point-

It would heavily be inconsistent. With our multipliers, we would be getting to what, planetary levels of power? Power that's exclusive to literal God tier characters. And to hammer in this inconsistency, if this giant throw is High 6-A, wanna know who it would scale to? Margarette, and I don't need to explain how bullshit that is.

Ask for the page in the Mashle discussion thread.
by the way, is there a discussion about Mashle multipliers? I wanted to check about that
 
I don't think there's any evidence that planet level is exclusive to the god tiers, you say it's inconsistent but what's the inconsistency?
GoD himself was worried that IZ could end the magical realm with his new power, I feel as though that cements the God tiers as the only ones reaching planetary levels of power. Characters like Orter or Famin would reach planetary levels through our multipliers, but nothing suggests in the story that they come close. That feels like an inconsistency in and of itself. That's ignoring how the Giant Calc is wrong anyways
That Adam and IZ have the DC to destroy the planet but other characters don't? That's not a contradiction, it's just an ap vs dc thing.
my point above fits down here, I don't know why I typed it above
What's wrong with high 6-A macron? Only thing I can think of is the levis country statement, but the problem is that levis's knowledge on the visionary's in general isn't that high, there's also the issue that macron scales to rayne who's stated to be one of the stronger visionary's, so Macron could just be above the lower tier visionary's who might be bound to that statement
The thing is that Komoto is very blunt with his writing, it's like having it hit across your head. The fact that Levis went out if his way to state that his country leveling railgun MATCHES the Visionaries should act as a limiter. And adding onto this, Levis is already stronger than Margarette, Galuf his underling is already comparable to them. This auto locks Margarette out of being High 6-A by all means. And again, the Calc is wrong, so this doesn't matter in the slightest.
Not a Mashle goon, but generally if something has a super inconsistent size, It'd be advised to calculate all notable showings of their height, and calculate the average from it. So that could be a feasible solution here.
That's probably best to do in this situation, yeah. The Giant ranges from being taller than some trees, to being as tall as a mountain. Its inconsistent.
by the way, is there a discussion about Mashle multipliers? I wanted to check about that
Currently a 10x increase for Secondths, Summons, and Thirds. A 100x times increase if both Summons and Thirds are stacked. But then it depends, stuff like Famin's Thirds only makes him imperceptible and Innocent Zero's Timez Thirds only manipulate time and causality to a greater extent.

The anime does give us a more concrete multiplier though, Cell states that it's a boost of "several orders of magnitudes", or several 12s. Which is kinda insane, I'm afraid that it might extrapolate the verse's AP by a shit ton when we barely have calcs. Though if there's any proof that Komoto worked on the anime enough for it to be considered canon (and boy do I wish that was the case its better than the manga), then maybe feats like this can be calculated.
 
That's probably best to do in this situation, yeah. The Giant ranges from being taller than some trees, to being as tall as a mountain. Its inconsistent.
Yeah, if that's the case, finding an average through calculations seems best.
The anime does give us a more concrete multiplier though, Cell states that it's a boost of "several orders of magnitudes", or several 12s.
Orders of magnitude aren't measured in 12's. They're measured by the 10's. 1 order of magnitude = 10. 2 orders of magnitude = 100. 3 orders of magnitude = 1000. The number of magnitudes is how many 0's follow the 1. Several order of magnitudes would be at least a 1,000x increase. 10,000 if generous.
 
Yeah, if that's the case, finding an average through calculations seems best.

Orders of magnitude aren't measured in 12's. They're measured by the 10's. 1 order of magnitude = 10. 2 orders of magnitude = 100. 3 orders of magnitude = 1000. The number of magnitudes is how many 0's follow the 1. Several order of magnitudes would be at least a 1,000x increase. 10,000 if generous.
Oh, though it was magnitudes as in earthquakes. Thought they hypothetically got up to 12.

Anyways, yikes, that smells like bullshit dear god.... maybe Lance's blackholes and Wahlberg's starry sky realm creation aren't too unrealistic.
 
Oh, though it was magnitudes as in earthquakes. Thought they hypothetically got up to 12.

Anyways, yikes, that smells like bullshit dear god.... maybe Lance's blackholes and Wahlberg's starry sky realm creation aren't too unrealistic.

Earthquake's are measured by their magnitude. But the key word here is orders of magnitude. Which is referring specifically to the specific mathematical concept. I can see how you'd make the mistake though. Though given the context that it's a boost, it's especially obvious that it's referring to the mathematical concept. Because multiplying your power by an earthquake makes no coherent sense. So yeah, you've got an explicit 1,000x increase on your hands. Guess you can check what results it nets you, and see if it's consistent and doesn't break the narrative.
 
Earthquake's are measured by their magnitude. But the key word here is orders of magnitude. Which is referring specifically to the specific mathematical concept. I can see how you'd make the mistake though. Though given the context that it's a boost, it's especially obvious that it's referring to the mathematical concept. Because multiplying your power by an earthquake makes no coherent sense.
Yeah yeah, I'm dumb
So yeah, you've got an explicit 1,000x increase on your hands. Guess you can check what results it nets you, and see if it's consistent and doesn't break the narrative.
Man **** Cell War. ************ gets us to tier 4 with this scaling chain what the hell man.
 
Man ** Cell War. ********** gets us to tier 4 with this scaling chain what the hell man.
I haven't watched the video, so I don't know the context of the statement. But if there's context to this statement, it could decrease the multiplier and make it far less egregious. I'll watch it, but if you could provide background context on it, and what it entails scaling-wise, I'll try to pin a multiplier on it.
 
I haven't watched the video, so I don't know the context of the statement. But if there's context to this statement, it could decrease the multiplier and make it far less egregious. I'll watch it, but if you could provide background context on it, and what it entails scaling-wise, I'll try to pin a multiplier on it.
The context is just Cell War gassing up how strong Summons are. He states that it increases magic power by several magnitudes, it's the wands true form, etc.
 
The context is just Cell War gassing up how strong Summons are. He states that it increases magic power by several magnitudes, it's the wands true form, etc.
So summoning things cause their magical output to increase by several orders of magnitude? Weird, never seen a verse where summoning stuff made the user stronger (Feels a bit counter-intuitive when the point of summons is to make up for the users own weaknesses but eh). Not sure how you'd get to Tier 4 with it though. Unless you already have a feat in the series near that level.
 
So summoning things cause their magical output to increase by several orders of magnitude? Weird, never seen a verse where summoning stuff made the user stronger (Feels a bit counter-intuitive when the point of summons is to make up for the users own weaknesses but eh).
The term is just summoning, but all it does it unleash a wand's true form. Think of Shikai or Bankai in Bleach.
Not sure how you'd get to Tier 4 with it though. Unless you already have a feat in the series near that level.
As I said, scaling chains and shit. The best feat we have for tier 4 anyways is Wahlberg's starry realm creation and annihilation with his Thirds, and the God of Demand potentially having created the "world" along with some creator god statements for Adam in the fanbook, but it all feels too loose.
 
The term is just summoning, but all it does it unleash a wand's true form. Think of Shikai or Bankai in Bleach.
I haven't read Bleach (yet). But I get what you mean.
As I said, scaling chains and shit. The best feat we have for tier 4 anyways is Wahlberg's starry realm creation and annihilation with his Thirds, and the God of Demand potentially having created the "world" along with some creator god statements for Adam in the fanbook, but it all feels too loose.
Well what's the peak of the verse right now (That's accepted)? If it's nowhere near Tier 4, you shouldn't get close to touching it. Unless there's like, lots of multipliers of shit. Then it can maybe get there if you're already at like, low Tier 5.
 
I haven't read Bleach (yet). But I get what you mean.

Well what's the peak of the verse right now (That's accepted)?
All that stuff I mentioned is not accepted on account of this verse getting any updates in like, a year
If it's nowhere near Tier 4, you shouldn't get close to touching it. Unless there's like, lots of multipliers of shit.
Indubitably
 
Mash pushing an entire continent and Lucifer Inclination threatening to destroy the planet, with planetary statements to boot.
Is moving the continent done with ease or great difficulty? And if possible to know, is Lucifer's planet threat implied to be done with ease or nah.
 
Is moving the continent done with ease or great difficulty?
With ease, while in base and heavily battered
And if possible to know, is Lucifer's planet threat implied to be done with ease or nah.
Lucifer Inclination is the Thirds of Darkness magic, so it's the most powerful attack of Innocent Zero (and presumably Adam). I think it's implied that IZ would survive it though?
 
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