- 14,574
- 5,874
This is probably gonna take a while.
Pre Timeskip
With this calc accepted we have Natsu at Large Town Level but for some reason Gajeel is listed as comparable to Natsu instead of using the same calc in his page, and Wendy is listed as Town Level when the calc states that Natsu has only 1/3 of the credit so the other Dragon Slayers should be at least equal to Natsu.
After that we scale Erza, Gray and more characters to Natsu who is roughly 140 kilotons. Erza has a higher on her profile with her strongest armors and Jupiter directly scales to Erza's Adamantine Armor and is listed as Small City Level. I don't know the reasons behind this but I found it weird. IIRC we put an At least Large Town Level likely higher to this situations unless we have a proper calc instead of jump to the next tier and the gap between higher than 139 kilotons (Natsu's AP) and 1 megaton (end of High 7-C) is pretty big even with a higher coming from Erza. If Jupiter indeed has a calc to prove it's rating at Small City Level it should be added to the profile. I'm saying this because many characters scales to Small City Level such as Makarov Dreyar and Base Hades.
Fortunately, Gildarts has a calc to put him in this tier but that should only scale to Bluenote Stinger, Demon's Eye Hades and the Fairy Tail members who defeated him (taking into consideration that he was severely weakened with the Heart destroyed).
Pre-Second Origin Dragon Force Natsu is listed as comparable to LFD Natsu but I don't understand where does this come from. LFD Natsu fought with DE Hades and defeated him so LFD should be listed with a + and the reasoning behind DF Natsu should be edited along with Zero and Jellal's profiles. Again, the gap between the calc and Small City Level is at least 6x so they should be At least Large Town Level. Being a Saint Wizard doesn't give you a certain tier since they varies in power given the fact that Makarov one-shot Jose and God Serena stomped four Saint Wizards at the same time.
Post 1st Timeskip
Sting and Rogue are listed as High 7-C in both base and Dragon Force. It's weird that characters who are fairly stronger than Pre-Timeskip Base Natsu can't go to Small City Level with the same kind of power while Natsu can. But this doesn't matter cause I already stated that Small City Level is too high to Oracion Seis Arc Dragon Force Natsu so Sting and Rogue should be listed as At least Large Town Level in Dragon Force for being stronger than Pre-SODF Natsu. And with this put an At Least to Natsu Post-Second Origin Base.
Post-Second Origin LFD Natsu is listed at Small City Level+ (which is correct by the fact that this LFD is stronger than the one who fought with Hades) but it's justified for defeating Tempester who also scales to this tier for fighting Natsu. Tempester's rating should be stay but Natsu's one is pointless and that's circular reasoning. We should just put him above the previous LFD and that should be enough.
Future Rogue is listed as Large Town Level in base for being comparable to Natsu so he should be At least Large Town Level for the same reasoning behind Natsu and DF Sting and Rogue.
We should put this calc in Gray's profile rather than Silver's and edit the latter just with 'stronger than his son'. But we have Gray listed at Small City Level+ with a 'comparable to his father' when that's simply unaccurate.
Also in Rogue's profile his 4th key is listed as Small City Level for defeating Jienma with Sting's help but Sting's 4th key is Small City Level+ for doing the exact same thing. So Rogue should be upgraded to the + since Sting is Small City Level+ for killing Jiemma.
And Gildarts should be listed as At least Mountain Level+ for stomping Natsu and being superior to Laxus and Jellal.
Post 2nd Timeskip
Ikusa-Tsunagi is listed as Likely 6-C but why? It says he should be stronger than Lucy but I don't understand where this comes from.
Brandish is listed as 6-C while the feat listed on her page is City Level and with a comparable to Jacob Lessio who scales to Natsu who one-shots Neinhart who scales to Natsu while being enhanced by Irene making him stronger than Brandish. See the problem here? All of this can be justified with a proper reasoning behind Ikusa-Tsunagi rating but right now this is circular scaling and should be fixed.
I know that Gray put Brandish "above anything known before" so she should be stronger than Etherious Mard Geer but that means that she should be At least Mountain Level+ if we have no proper calcs or multipliers to say she is 6-C because many characters scales from her.
And correct me if I'm wrong but Lucy's 6-C rating comes from copying Marin's magic who is Likely 6-C for damaging Natsu and Gray. So all of this makes a giant circle of reasonings. This applies to the majority of Spriggans such as Dimaria Yesta and Bloodma.
I know there's a feat which put Brandish at 13 gigatons but that was never evaluated and it's not on her page so it shouldn't count here unless it gets accepted.
There are more characters at 6-C who scales to the Spriggans in one way or another that should be downgraded if this is correct.
Now the solid 6-C comes from FDKM Natsu who is 24 gigatons with collateral damage so he shouldn't be affected by the reasoning above. The same applies to anyone above this such as God Serena and people above him.
Acnologia's Dragon Form is listed as 'should be comparable to Fairy Heart Zeref' which is wrong. Zeref never wanted to fight Acnologia because he knew he couldn't win. I'm not saying that Dragon Acno is massively stronger but he's fair above him and shouldn't be listed as comparable.
And Igneel tier comes from giving enough power to Natsu to make him High 6-C which is correct but after that it says this: Battled and injured Acnologia while weakened, although Acnologia wasn't anywhere near his full power. While Acno's profile says this: Killed a weakened Igneel while holding back. Then this means we can't scale Igneel to Acno since he was holding back. Even with Igneel being weak in comparison we have a note on Igneel's profile saying that this isn't Igneel Full Power. So his tier should be At least High 6-C (The mere remains of his half-dead state gave Natsu enough power to injure Zeref) likely higher (fought with Dragon Form Acnologia and damaged him altough he was holding back).
Final
And that's all for the moment. There are characters who I surely forgot about but we can talk about them later. I can't remember any single one of FT characters.
I'm asking for the majority to solve my doubts about this so feel free to prove me wrong. At least I'm feel sure that Pre 1st Timeskip part is correct and it should be fixed.
Pre Timeskip
With this calc accepted we have Natsu at Large Town Level but for some reason Gajeel is listed as comparable to Natsu instead of using the same calc in his page, and Wendy is listed as Town Level when the calc states that Natsu has only 1/3 of the credit so the other Dragon Slayers should be at least equal to Natsu.
After that we scale Erza, Gray and more characters to Natsu who is roughly 140 kilotons. Erza has a higher on her profile with her strongest armors and Jupiter directly scales to Erza's Adamantine Armor and is listed as Small City Level. I don't know the reasons behind this but I found it weird. IIRC we put an At least Large Town Level likely higher to this situations unless we have a proper calc instead of jump to the next tier and the gap between higher than 139 kilotons (Natsu's AP) and 1 megaton (end of High 7-C) is pretty big even with a higher coming from Erza. If Jupiter indeed has a calc to prove it's rating at Small City Level it should be added to the profile. I'm saying this because many characters scales to Small City Level such as Makarov Dreyar and Base Hades.
Fortunately, Gildarts has a calc to put him in this tier but that should only scale to Bluenote Stinger, Demon's Eye Hades and the Fairy Tail members who defeated him (taking into consideration that he was severely weakened with the Heart destroyed).
Pre-Second Origin Dragon Force Natsu is listed as comparable to LFD Natsu but I don't understand where does this come from. LFD Natsu fought with DE Hades and defeated him so LFD should be listed with a + and the reasoning behind DF Natsu should be edited along with Zero and Jellal's profiles. Again, the gap between the calc and Small City Level is at least 6x so they should be At least Large Town Level. Being a Saint Wizard doesn't give you a certain tier since they varies in power given the fact that Makarov one-shot Jose and God Serena stomped four Saint Wizards at the same time.
Post 1st Timeskip
Sting and Rogue are listed as High 7-C in both base and Dragon Force. It's weird that characters who are fairly stronger than Pre-Timeskip Base Natsu can't go to Small City Level with the same kind of power while Natsu can. But this doesn't matter cause I already stated that Small City Level is too high to Oracion Seis Arc Dragon Force Natsu so Sting and Rogue should be listed as At least Large Town Level in Dragon Force for being stronger than Pre-SODF Natsu. And with this put an At Least to Natsu Post-Second Origin Base.
Post-Second Origin LFD Natsu is listed at Small City Level+ (which is correct by the fact that this LFD is stronger than the one who fought with Hades) but it's justified for defeating Tempester who also scales to this tier for fighting Natsu. Tempester's rating should be stay but Natsu's one is pointless and that's circular reasoning. We should just put him above the previous LFD and that should be enough.
Future Rogue is listed as Large Town Level in base for being comparable to Natsu so he should be At least Large Town Level for the same reasoning behind Natsu and DF Sting and Rogue.
We should put this calc in Gray's profile rather than Silver's and edit the latter just with 'stronger than his son'. But we have Gray listed at Small City Level+ with a 'comparable to his father' when that's simply unaccurate.
Also in Rogue's profile his 4th key is listed as Small City Level for defeating Jienma with Sting's help but Sting's 4th key is Small City Level+ for doing the exact same thing. So Rogue should be upgraded to the + since Sting is Small City Level+ for killing Jiemma.
And Gildarts should be listed as At least Mountain Level+ for stomping Natsu and being superior to Laxus and Jellal.
Post 2nd Timeskip
Ikusa-Tsunagi is listed as Likely 6-C but why? It says he should be stronger than Lucy but I don't understand where this comes from.
Brandish is listed as 6-C while the feat listed on her page is City Level and with a comparable to Jacob Lessio who scales to Natsu who one-shots Neinhart who scales to Natsu while being enhanced by Irene making him stronger than Brandish. See the problem here? All of this can be justified with a proper reasoning behind Ikusa-Tsunagi rating but right now this is circular scaling and should be fixed.
I know that Gray put Brandish "above anything known before" so she should be stronger than Etherious Mard Geer but that means that she should be At least Mountain Level+ if we have no proper calcs or multipliers to say she is 6-C because many characters scales from her.
And correct me if I'm wrong but Lucy's 6-C rating comes from copying Marin's magic who is Likely 6-C for damaging Natsu and Gray. So all of this makes a giant circle of reasonings. This applies to the majority of Spriggans such as Dimaria Yesta and Bloodma.
I know there's a feat which put Brandish at 13 gigatons but that was never evaluated and it's not on her page so it shouldn't count here unless it gets accepted.
There are more characters at 6-C who scales to the Spriggans in one way or another that should be downgraded if this is correct.
Now the solid 6-C comes from FDKM Natsu who is 24 gigatons with collateral damage so he shouldn't be affected by the reasoning above. The same applies to anyone above this such as God Serena and people above him.
Acnologia's Dragon Form is listed as 'should be comparable to Fairy Heart Zeref' which is wrong. Zeref never wanted to fight Acnologia because he knew he couldn't win. I'm not saying that Dragon Acno is massively stronger but he's fair above him and shouldn't be listed as comparable.
And Igneel tier comes from giving enough power to Natsu to make him High 6-C which is correct but after that it says this: Battled and injured Acnologia while weakened, although Acnologia wasn't anywhere near his full power. While Acno's profile says this: Killed a weakened Igneel while holding back. Then this means we can't scale Igneel to Acno since he was holding back. Even with Igneel being weak in comparison we have a note on Igneel's profile saying that this isn't Igneel Full Power. So his tier should be At least High 6-C (The mere remains of his half-dead state gave Natsu enough power to injure Zeref) likely higher (fought with Dragon Form Acnologia and damaged him altough he was holding back).
Final
And that's all for the moment. There are characters who I surely forgot about but we can talk about them later. I can't remember any single one of FT characters.
I'm asking for the majority to solve my doubts about this so feel free to prove me wrong. At least I'm feel sure that Pre 1st Timeskip part is correct and it should be fixed.
