Max Payne vs John Wick

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

This is a match that I have had on my mind for a while. This may require speed to be unequalized. Max Payne does not have a calculation listed, meaning that John Wick could have a major AP advantage. If Payne were considered baseline 9-B, the only way he could have a fair chance is if speed was not equalized. Payne's stronger weapons would be capable of killing Wick, but he would only get the chance to use them if speed were not equalized. Payne should be much faster, while Wick should be much stronger. I know we try to avoid matches where one character has a big speed advantage, but since I can't find an AP value for Payne, I think that means he's assumed to be baseline, which would make it a stomp in Wick's favor. If there is an AP value for Payne, sorry, I couldn't find it. I hope this isn't a bad idea for a match. Battle is in the Nakatomi Plaza. Payne has various pistols and rifles, as well as a grenade launcher and RPG. Wick has a number of pistols and rifles, as well as a machine gun and a bulletproof suit.
Edit: Speed is now equalized since Max's AP has been clarified. I would also like to clarify that they start without line of sight.

Max Payne
John Wick

 

[Ebihara]

Speed being unequal and bullet time max is going to be able to massively out maneuver john. But johns stealth is kind of silly so I think it comes down to john sneaking up on max cause if not I just dont see john ever landing a shot on max.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Yeah Max might take this under these circumstances, probably kinda easy.

Wick is easily more skilled in closed quarters combat, but that doesn't even matter as Payne is so much faster, i doubt he'd even be able to touch him.

Max's speed advantage will nullify any chances of John's martial arts leading him to victory.

Payne is certainly the better gunman, and again Payne is a lot faster so it's probably going to be difficult for wick to get a shot
In, and then you stack bullet time on top of that, slowing Max's perception of time.... yeah John's getting ****** up, there.

I think Max Payne should win this

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

1 for Max.

 

[AThe1412]

Max can brush off grenade explosions at point blank range so he should be around 1 MJ. There, now equalize speed or this is a stomp.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Okay. Are you still voting for Max with speed equalized, Beast?

 

[Stillwinston]

Do they both start with line of sight? If yes I'll vote Max for leading with bullet time

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Yes, they do start with line of sight.

 

[Ebihara]

Ill vote max for my reasons.

 

[AThe1412]

Why not have them start out of sight if Max will just bullet time and instantly headshot John?

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Okay, if that makes it fairer. Stillwinston, Ebihara, will this affect your votes? Do you want to give another vote, Beast? your previous one is now invalid.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Yeah I'll stay with Max

 

[Ebihara]

Okay, if that makes it fairer. Stillwinston, Ebihara, will this affect your votes? Do you want to give another vote, Beast? your previous one is now invalid.

I fully belive that John could land a surprise attack even if max is still aware John is coming. It's just will this sneak attack take out max.. would an assault rifle to the head do it?

 

[Pyro9278]

A close-quarters specialist vs. a long-range precision expert. It’d be strange for John to rush in unless going for an ambush, just as it’d be unusual for Max (a skilled shooter) to willingly engage up close. Realistically, this would devolve into a gunfight, with Max likely coming out on top thanks to either his Hax or sheer skill. Vote for Max

 

[Tonygameman]

The game in which my father's friend worked on (Max Payne) FRA.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

The game in which my father's friend worked on (Max Payne) FRA.

Oh, cool.

 

[Ebihara]

Ill stay with max as well

 

[Arkansalter2]

Max stee- oh fu... FRA.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

5 votes for Max. Beast, Pyro9278, Tonygameman, Ebihara, and Arkansalter2. Two more needed.

 

[Nonynho]

Why speed equal makes this not a stomp?

Even though they're both Superhuman or Subsonic+, the difference between an RPG7 (the only reference of Subsonic+, 300 m/s) and a Barret M82 (only reference to his Hypersonic+ (idk why cuz the gun shoots at Supersonic+ but the point still stand), 853 m/s up to 1219 m/s) is from 2,84x up to 4,06x the speed

You can compare a very very skilled human to another very very skilled human who ups 3 to 4 times the speed whenever wanted? I don't think so

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Why speed equal makes this not a stomp?

Even though they're both Superhuman or Subsonic+, the difference between an RPG7 (the only reference of Subsonic+, 300 m/s) and a Barret M82 (only reference to his Hypersonic+ (idk why cuz the gun shoots at Supersonic+ but the point still stand), 853 m/s up to 1219 m/s) is from 2,84x up to 4,06x the speed

You can compare a very very skilled human to another very very skilled human who ups 3 to 4 times the speed whenever wanted? I don't think so

I'm not sure. Does this affect your voting?

 

[Nonynho]

I'm not sure. Does this affect your voting?

I call this out as a stomp, so as of now, not voting
IDEK if Wick preparing or having prior knowledge would make this possible for him, imagine just speed equalization?

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

I call this out as a stomp, so as of now, not voting
IDEK if Wick preparing or having prior knowledge would make this possible for him, imagine just speed equalization?

Well, if they start out of each other's sight, I suppose if John could utilize stealth and take Max by surprise, a direct shot to the head while Max was off guard could do the trick.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Max Payne's profile is outdated (He needs calcs more than I need get off my ass and make the profiles for the other Remedy Games), but he should still take this more often than not.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

One more needed.

 

[Nonynho]

Well, if they start out of each other's sight, I suppose if John could utilize stealth and take Max by surprise, a direct shot to the head while Max was off guard could do the trick.

if he knows he's being in a fight situation against a stealthy guy and can make indefinite usage of something that gets him to become faster than every gun involved in this, why wouldn't he use it?
then, no way to do it

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Payne would be vulnerable after using Bullet Time until it recharges. Wick is the only enemy, so Payne needs to be under heavy fire or to take damage to "replenish" it.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

That's the thing tho, I doubt Max would even need to recharge, because it's unlikely he'll miss the first shot

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Would a single bullet do it? Wick tanked a grenade launcher explosion which destroyed his house.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

If Not then what stops Max from bombarding John with headshots?
John dosent seem to have an answer to Bullet time

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

So, he could only win if he were to use stealth and take Payne by surprise when he wasn't using Bullet Time. Well, if his only winning method is that situational, I guess I'll vote for Payne, assuming that a headshot from Wick would be capable of defeating Payne while he was off guard. If not, I guess this is a stomp. Do we have a way of determining how a headshot from either party would affect the other? It sounds like the fairness of this match all comes down to that.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Does anyone know if a direct headshot while off guard would be enough to defeat Payne? John does have the AP advantage. If nobody's sure, I guess I can ask around for more opinions. I said I would vote for Payne if it wasn't a stomp, but I haven't made that official yet.

 

[Not_Icarus]

Max Payne FRA

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Grace.