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Meliodas vs Natsu (Not restricted to the wiki ratings)

Makai641001 said:
Kid Lance < Liones Lance < Meliodas ≈ 18 y.o Lance

Arthur tanked a full power shining road and asked himself if Lance passed High tier sin lvl.

This thread is dumb, while the realistic for Meliodas is H3-A to Low 2-C Natsu stands in tier 5 to tier 4 without wanks or using outliers.

Meliodas have too much layers on too many hax.

Also Meliodas’s NE powernulls passively with a pretty decent potency
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You couldn’t be more wrong lol, I know exactly which quote you’re using to put Meliodas above 16 year Lancelot, it’s that line from Arthur before Lancelot even started taking things seriously. Lancelot himself literally says Arthur still doesn’t know anything about him. That quote’s weak as hell, especially considering Arthur says at the end of chapter 80 that he totally changed his opinion about the 4Koa. And 18 year Lancelot could easily be the same as his 16 year self. there’s no proof he got any stronger. By the way, we’re even using the wrong age scale for him; Lancelot’s actually 15 right now lol. And Lancelot didn’t even use all his power in the Shining Road, you didn’t notice how when he boosts his magic more through the katana, it breaks ‘cause it can’t handle the power? Arthur’s statement is ambiguous and says Lancelot might’ve surpassed the Sins (as a group), which is obviously vague, but it still leans way more toward Lancelot’s side, since Arthur literally say Lancelot with Nanashi’s katana pushed to its magical limit = the Seven Sins
 
Shigeonnt said:
You couldn’t be more wrong lol, I know exactly which quote you’re using to put Meliodas above 16 year Lancelot, it’s that line from Arthur before Lancelot even started taking things seriously. Lancelot himself literally says Arthur still doesn’t know anything about him. That quote’s weak as hell, especially considering Arthur says at the end of chapter 80 that he totally changed his opinion about the 4Koa. And 18 year Lancelot could easily be the same as his 16 year self. there’s no proof he got any stronger. By the way, we’re even using the wrong age scale for him; Lancelot’s actually 15 right now lol. And Lancelot didn’t even use all his power in the Shining Road, you didn’t notice how when he boosts his magic more through the katana, it breaks ‘cause it can’t handle the power? Arthur’s statement is ambiguous and says Lancelot might’ve surpassed the Sins (as a group), which is obviously vague, but it still leans way more toward Lancelot’s side, since Arthur literally say Lancelot with Nanashi’s katana pushed to its magical limit = the Seven Sins
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Liones Lance would still be above Kid Lance anyway, and 4Kota Meliodas is superior.
Same Lance that had to get serious against a AA lvl character.

Arthur took Post ts Lance most powerful attack and questionned his superiority to high tier sins.

The statement was repeated tens of times and never was about the sins as a group.

But Yeah sure ig now the 7DS as a group scale below Archangels lol.

Btw there is a doubt between current Meliodas without Commandments or TMF not even prime Meli
 
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Makai641001 said:
Liones Lance would still be above Kid Lance anyway, and 4Kota Meliodas is superior.
Same Lance that had to get serious against a AA lvl character.

Arthur took Post ts Lance most powerful attack and questionned his superiority to high tier sins.

The statement was repeated tens of times and never was about the sins as a group.

But Yeah sure ig now the 7DS as a group scale below Archangels lol.

Btw there is a doubt between current Meliodas without Commandments or TMF not even prime Meli
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You’re using the exact same arguments I’ve already replied to, That quote from Arthur about lance was about a super casual Lancelot who wasn’t even using his magic or taking the fight seriously, The moment he actually fights with intent, Arthur freaks out and Chaos backs off, In chapter 80, after Lancelot gets hit by Chaos, Arthur asks him if he saw the difference between their powers and Lancelot straight up says Arthur doesn’t know anything about him, That alone debunks that ridiculous ‘Meliodas > Lancelot’ by chapter 79, Arthur was just underestimating him, At the end of that arc, Arthur literally says he completely changed his view on the 4KOA





Base Lancelot isn’t that impressive, sure, but you seriously using the ‘he fought Nanashi seriously’ argument? That’s irrelevant





I think now you at least get that Lancelot can’t use all his power against the Chaos fragment ‘cause the katana can’t handle his magic. But I agree that was his strongest Shining Roa, Still, Arthur makes an ambiguous statement about whether Lancelot is stronger than the Seven Deadly Sins, he doesn’t single out one member, he says it in general





Go reread the manga lol, chapter 154 of Mokushiroku, Arthur literally tells the Perils to receive Chaos’ power so they can fight head-on against the Sins There, he’s clearly referring to the Sins as a group, always as a group
 
Shigeonnt said:
You’re using the exact same arguments I’ve already replied to, That quote from Arthur about lance was about a super casual Lancelot who wasn’t even using his magic or taking the fight seriously, The moment he actually fights with intent, Arthur freaks out and Chaos backs off, In chapter 80, after Lancelot gets hit by Chaos, Arthur asks him if he saw the difference between their powers and Lancelot straight up says Arthur doesn’t know anything about him, That alone debunks that ridiculous ‘Meliodas > Lancelot’ by chapter 79, Arthur was just underestimating him, At the end of that arc, Arthur literally says he completely changed his view on the 4KOA

Base Lancelot isn’t that impressive, sure, but you seriously using the ‘he fought Nanashi seriously’ argument? That’s irrelevant

I think now you at least get that Lancelot can’t use all his power against the Chaos fragment ‘cause the katana can’t handle his magic. But I agree that was his strongest Shining Roa, Still, Arthur makes an ambiguous statement about whether Lancelot is stronger than the Seven Deadly Sins, he doesn’t single out one member, he says it in general

Go reread the manga lol, chapter 154 of Mokushiroku, Arthur literally tells the Perils to receive Chaos’ power so they can fight head-on against the Sins There, he’s clearly referring to the Sins as a group, always as a group
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We are completely derailing this thread so I won’t answer anymore if it gets circular.

1) Base Liones Lance would still be H 3-A
2) Serious Liones Lance actually didn’t fight Chaos Arthur
3) You do realise that even if Arthur statement was about them as a group it would mean they individually scale else it wouldn’t be a question
4) Him struggling against an AA is obviously related to the topic and important
5) His sword didn’t break instantly Arthur still tanked Shining road which is superior to his physicals
6) Ban is individually capable to perception blitz Lance
7) The 4kota scale individually to the perils, if you think the statement is about the group it means you think current 4kota > 7DS which is contradicted by point 6)
8) All this bs doesn’t change shit Meliodas still scales even in his current 4kota base
9) I’m talking about TMF Meliodas the being that came closest to true Chaos, not Just Chaos Arthur.
 
Makai641001 said:
We are completely derailing this thread so I won’t answer anymore if it gets circular.

1) Base Liones Lance would still be H 3-A
2) Serious Liones Lance actually didn’t fight Chaos Arthur
3) You do realise that even if Arthur statement was about them as a group it would mean they individually scale else it wouldn’t be a question
4) Him struggling against an AA is obviously related to the topic and important
5) His sword didn’t break instantly Arthur still tanked Shining road which is superior to his physicals
6) Ban is individually capable to perception blitz Lance
7) The 4kota scale individually to the perils, if you think the statement is about the group it means you think current 4kota > 7DS which is contradicted by point 6)
8) All this bs doesn’t change shit Meliodas still scales even in his current 4kota base
9) I’m talking about TMF Meliodas the being that came closest to true Chaos, not
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Makai641001 said:
We are completely derailing this thread so I won’t answer anymore if it gets circular.

1) Base Liones Lance would still be H 3-A
2) Serious Liones Lance actually didn’t fight Chaos Arthur
3) You do realise that even if Arthur statement was about them as a group it would mean they individually scale else it wouldn’t be a question
4) Him struggling against an AA is obviously related to the topic and important
5) His sword didn’t break instantly Arthur still tanked Shining road which is superior to his physicals
6) Ban is individually capable to perception blitz Lance
7) The 4kota scale individually to the perils, if you think the statement is about the group it means you think current 4kota > 7DS which is contradicted by point 6)
8) All this bs doesn’t change shit Meliodas still scales even in his current 4kota base
9) I’m talking about TMF Meliodas the being that came closest to true Chaos, not Just Chaos Arthur.
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I’m gonna bring this discussion over to the 4KOA forum here on the site
 
Shigeonnt said:
I’m gonna bring this discussion over to the 4KOA forum here on the site
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No need to we won’t really agree about it especially when i’m talking about TMF Meliodas and Liones Lance.

It will lead to circular arguments that have no ground.
 
So if I'm understanding this right and Shigeo is correct, this would nuke Meli's h3a rating right?
 
Makai641001 said:
No need to we won’t really agree about it especially when i’m talking about TMF Meliodas and Liones Lance.

It will lead to circular arguments that have no ground.
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You definitely weren’t talking about True Magic Melioda, you were trying to scale base/DM Meliodas above Lancelot. But if you only agree with True Magic, then I’m cool with that
 
HelloThere1089 said:
So if I'm understanding this right and Shigeo is correct, this would nuke Meli's h3a rating right?
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No, he is arguing about Meliodas being inferior to Lance.
Arthur scales to Lance’s physicals (it was just confirmed today that he effectively drank the entire lake) and a casual Meli is above Arthur

Shigeonnt said:
You definitely weren’t talking about True Magic Melioda, you were trying to scale base/DM Meliodas above Lancelot. But if you only agree with True Magic, then I’m cool with that
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This thread is about strongest forms aka TMF vs x793 Natsu

There are statements that put current Meliodas on a similar enough lvl to 18 y.o Lance to scale to him we don’t have anything that would prove it though.

Tmf Meli would doggy Lance
 
Makai641001 said:
No, he is arguing about Meliodas being inferior to Lance.
Arthur scales to Lance’s physicals (it was just confirmed today that he effectively drank the entire lake) and a casual Meli is above Arthur


This thread is about strongest forms aka TMF vs x793 Natsu

There are statements that put current Meliodas on a similar enough lvl to 18 y.o Lance to scale to him we don’t have anything that would prove it though.

Tmf Meli would doggy Lance
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Narratively, Lancelot’s above Chaos Arthur, and Chaos Arthur straight up claps tmf meliodas
 
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