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No BFR
Round 1: only one Meta Cooler, Speed Equalized
Round 2: an army of Meta Coolers, Speed Unequalized
who wins and why?
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Meta Cooler vs. Post-Crisis Superman
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No BFR
Round 1: only one Meta Cooler, Speed Equalized
Round 2: an army of Meta Coolers, Speed Unequalized
who wins and why?
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Does cooler have an army or is it just one?
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both scenarios
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Superman. Hax such as energy absorption, intangibility, microscopic level heat vision and absolute zero freeze breath give him the win.
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superman wins due to the reason stated above.
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Round one superman Round two meta coolers stomps, hard.
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Metal Cooler is basically Cyborg Superman, but less durable and superior DC, and Cooler has instant transmision who give him some advantage; I would say that Supa win the first round with 7/10 difficult, however, he maybe lost in the second round
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Round 1. Superman. Is even say he takes it easily due to being able to use his super vision to detect weak points and strike them.
Round 2. An army? Yeah, even he is going to have trouble with that. With speed equalized, I'm not sure there is anything he could do. Superman loses here.
Round 2. An army? Yeah, even he is going to have trouble with that. With speed equalized, I'm not sure there is anything he could do. Superman loses here.
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can speed not be equalized when superman is against the cooler army?
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^sure
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this i will give the 2nd round to superman as well due to the massive speed advantage
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With speed is no longer equalized, I feel superman has a real chance. Once he starts moving it is probable that the army would not be able to touch him. Couple that with phasing, super vision, freeze breath, and arguably greater experience he is going to do some real damage, though I would say with a some amount of difficulty, given the size and strength of the army. So my vote goes to Superman in this circumstance.
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Round 1- I am giving it to Cooler because he also has energy absorption, Regenerationn (which will make phasing useless), Spamming ki blast and he can use instant transmission like if it was a day at the park not to mention he beat two characters at Large Star level at the same time without much trouble.
Round 2- Same as round one but easier imo.
Round 2- Same as round one but easier imo.
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I don't know how energy absorption helps sense superman doesn't really have any energy based attacks and how in the world does Regenerationn make phasing useless? That really did not make any sense to me.AllanSaiyan said:
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With Daarius on this. Sure, meta cooler might be able to absorb heat vision, but Superman would just stop using it, or start using it on a microscopic level. As for phasing not being useful, I just can't see an argument there. For starters, it would make Superman hard, if not impossible to Hit, it also has a practical combat application. Superman would put his arm through Cooler's head, bypassing his durability, and then vibrate his arm to cause Cooler to explode, similar to what Superman did to Cyborg Superman. After that, it is just incinerate the pieces. That is just one more of victory. He also has freeze breath, that could be argued to work on a molecular level.
He couldn't do that to an army with speed equalized though.
He couldn't do that to an army with speed equalized though.
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speed is unequalized for the army.PostmodernD said:
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Yeah, I forgot when I came back here.
Still don't see that as a win con with speed unequalized, but Superman's superior flight speed would help a lot, probably making him untouchable. He could keep moving and try a variety of tactics in this case, allowing him to find the best methods. So I vote for Superman here.
Still don't see that as a win con with speed unequalized, but Superman's superior flight speed would help a lot, probably making him untouchable. He could keep moving and try a variety of tactics in this case, allowing him to find the best methods. So I vote for Superman here.
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Superman could maybe destroy one Meta Cooler, however, if it's an army we have to assume that Meta Cooler would adapt to most of Superman's hax skills eventually. With that I'm going to say Superman wins round one and loses badly in round two
Like most said
R1 = Superman
R2= MC
R1 = Superman
R2= MC
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superman round 1 metal cooler round 2
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Superman both rounds due to hax. Cooler might figure it out, but you can't adapt to something like that. All cooler's shown to do is get stronger, not adapt to techniques
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wait if people are saying superman wins first round but cooler win secound round then who wins this match up?
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Superman TBH. Since almost everyone agrees Superman wins round 1 and some people think he can beat round 2.
but IDK
but IDK
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lol
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Inconclusive?
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Superman certainly win the first round, with speed unequalized if isn't a win for Supa with high difficult, is inconclusive in the second roundYojimbo1989 said:
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I think the topic creator has to specify which takes precedence. The topic probably needs more input in either direction, especially since SuperKamiNappa said round two could have speed unequalized.Daarius.ivey said:
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that wouldn't really work since all superman has to do is vaoprize his body with heat vision, freeze him, or do what he did to cyborg superman.LTB2000 said:
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That is a no limits fallacy. All we know is that flaws in his design are corrected each time he heals. He was never shown to evolve an immunity to anything. Especially things that work on a microscopic level, which superman has two powers of and can effect large numbers of targets at once with. If speed is unequalled in the second round, Superman could literally freeze or vaporize the entire army once he takes off. Wouldn't be easy for him given the number, I'd give it a 6/10 difficulty.LTB2000 said:
So now superman is chuck norris? 
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So is this done?
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Round 1 would go to superman assuming he destroys Cooler right off the bat and doesn't allow him to regen and power up to his attacks.
Round 2 goes to the army, while superman is faster, the difference in speed isn't large enough for him to outright blitz an army of well over a thousand that can easily spam IT and star level attacks.
travel speed is worthless here, cooler has instant transmission and can use it without lag unlike Goku in canon.
Round 2 goes to the army, while superman is faster, the difference in speed isn't large enough for him to outright blitz an army of well over a thousand that can easily spam IT and star level attacks.
travel speed is worthless here, cooler has instant transmission and can use it without lag unlike Goku in canon.
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I disagree. Meta Cooler is ranked FTL+ and Superman is ranked MFTL and MFTL+ for travel speed. If he started moving, IT would be more worthless cause it is likely Cooler would not even be able to perceive his movements. I don't think that makes it easy for Superman, he still has large numbers to deal with and he would likely use up a lot of his energy in the process, but its a pretty massive gap in speed and I don't see cooler easily locking on to him.
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In regards to that, Cooler had no problem tracking/predicting Goku's trajectory despite the fact he used Instant transmission, which is pretty much instant travel speed, all I'm saying here is that Superman's flight/travel speed won't give him an advantage here.PostmodernD said:
As for reaction speed I believe the gap (which is roughly a 10x difference 20~c vs 200~c) isn't nearly enough for Superman to be able to take out an army of Cooler specially when every one of them can spam IT and throw Supes off-balance.
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It instantly moves a person, but as soon as they teleport where they intended their movements can be perceived, that makes it easier to manage when you are on a similar tier. Once Superman starts moving, and he is very likely to start flying and going as fast as he can given the numbers, I do not see Cooler being able to lock on to him with IT. His reaction speed is enough for him to see the army coming and know what to do, which would be to spam everything he has. The sheer number of Coolers could lead to a lucky hit and dog pile, or Superman running out of energy before he could finish them all, that's why I would rank the second round with high difficulty.
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well DBZ vs DC/marvel comic are now banned. So now what?
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