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Minor Julius changes (Black Clover)

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Just adding/changing some things for Julius

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Also adding
Agree: @ActuallySpaceMan42 (everything except resistance), @Random-Helper323 (Same as @ActuallySpaceMan42), @SomebodyData
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If that last part got accepted by some miracle what’s stopping you from giving everyone resistance to their own attributes just because they weren’t affected by them? Like Fragil with sleep manipulation through snow magic or Dante who despite being within the proximity of the singularity never got swallowed
 
If that last part got accepted by some miracle what’s stopping you from giving everyone resistance to their own attributes just because they weren’t affected by them? Like Fragil with sleep manipulation through snow magic or Dante who despite being within the proximity of the singularity never got swallowed
The would need to show said resistance

Because Langris can't resist other spacial magic and clearly Magna would be damaged by mereoleona

Also, no one was swallowed by any of Dante's black holes, via LS or speed, whatever it was

Or plot lol
 
If that last part got accepted by some miracle what’s stopping you from giving everyone resistance to their own attributes just because they weren’t affected by them? Like Fragil with sleep manipulation through snow magic or Dante who despite being within the proximity of the singularity never got swallowed
Well Lucius/Julius specifically affect everything within their spheres, they haven't shown to just exclude someone from it's effect
 
The would need to show said resistance

Because Langris can't resist other spacial magic and clearly Magna would be damaged by mereoleona
Same goes with Lucius or Julius. We've never seen them resist time magic from another user
Or plot lol
The same can be said for Lucius and Julius
Well Lucius/Julius specifically affect everything within their spheres, they haven't shown to just exclude someone from it's effect
I mean the fact that Lucius can still move within it is itself evidence of that. And it’s actually pretty common for time users to be able to move within their time stop ability just because and not because they have resistance to time stop like the MC from "Trapped in an Instant" who literally just a normal human
 
I mean the fact that Lucius can still move within it is itself evidence of that
Not necessarily, considering we never see them do such exception for others.
And it’s actually pretty common for time users to be able to move within their time stop ability just because and not because they have resistance to time stop like the MC from "Trapped in an Instant" who literally just a normal human
Yes, because usually time stop is universal in range, and well stopping time for yourself included in that case would be useless, that's not the case for Lucius/Julius tho.
We also have Lucius be unaffected by the Neverland, but I agree that it's more vague
 
Not necessarily, considering we never see them do such exception for others.
Doesn’t mean he can’t. Besides, we’ve already seen him specifically affect only what he wants with other time spells. Even if it’s not the same spell, it still goes to show that he’s capable of doing such a thing.
Yes, because usually time stop is universal in range, and well stopping time for yourself included in that case would be useless, that's not the case for Lucius/Julius tho.
And what makes you think they’re different? Range? Come on now you seriously can't be thinking this is because of time stop resistance.
Neverland isn’t actual time stop. It’s more like a timeless space, and a timeless space ≠ time stop.
 
I think the mages being able to "exclude themselves from the effects of their own magic" is indeed not something mages can do normally, and is actually in fact a common way of mages fighting eachother as well to send eachother's spells at the owner:
Regardless, I wanna point that Julius' magic controls the passage of time itself within the area it's affecting, it isn't something he can just exclude himself unless we are implying he excludes himself from the passage of time as well, which at that point would just go back to resistance if he does do that.
 
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What is bump?
A way to move the thread up so that more people could see it
Also check out my Lucius thread.im looking for people who are familiar with the verse to evaluate
Thread 'Lcius Zogratis And His Precognition.' https://vsbattles.com/threads/lcius-zogratis-and-his-precognition.191311/
Not really a place for this, you should go to the general discussion to talk about stuff like that
Also the link doesn't work for me, you probably linked a sandbox? Other users can't see it
 
It’s not their magic anymore the moment it hits Zora magic and at least use a similar AoE spell like Another Atlas which passively disrupts the flow of mana within it preventing projectile attacks from being formed except by the caster herself or Dream World which puts anyone within it to sleep again except the caster or the Presence of the Demon King, which affects everyone except Dante himself hell in some cases even a spell something like Gravity Singularity.


Regardless, I wanna point that Julius' magic controls the passage of time itself within the area it's affecting, it isn't something he can just exclude himself unless we are implying he excludes himself from the passage of time as well, which at that point would just go back to resistance if he does do that.
Same goes with his other spells it affects time itself, yet that never stops him from affecting the time of targets he only wants. We literally saw this after the final fight lol. (Also the link isn't working but I'm pretty sure you are referring to Patri statement)

In any case, even without all of this, it’s pretty much the norm for time users themselves to not be affected by time stop just because
 
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It’s not their magic anymore the moment it hits Zora magic
Why would it not be? The guidebook itself words it as Zora just repelling their magic back at them and that their own power is what's beating them. It doesn't turn that magic into Zora's or anything like that.

at least use a similar AoE spell like Another Atlas which passively disrupts the flow of mana within it preventing projectile attacks from being formed except by the caster herself
Atlas does affect the caster but in a bias way as it comes from Compass Magic. The whole point of Compass Magic is that, like a compass showing a direction, it directs stuff to another directions so instead of hitting point X they hit point Y. All Another Atlas does is make her able to use said Compass Magic around the entire area so the entire direction of where magic is going is messed up due to how Kivn is making the compass constantly rotate so since the direction will never point at her, their attacks will never hit her, her own magic is also being affected by her own compass magic but instead of making them rotate endlessly, compass magic is making it so her attacks will never fail to hit her opponent.

Kivn is also an elf. Elfs are all beloved by mana which makes them immune to attacks that take control over the mana of the area just like Zenon's Absolute space, this even being showed by Yuno. So even if you think it should still disturb Kivn's mana... it wouldn't.

Dream World which puts anyone within it to sleep again except the caster
Dream World does what Dorothy herself wants, if she doesn't want anyone to sleep, they won't sleep. Dorothy notes that it is a good place for her to talk to Noelle, and it is never shown Noelle being affected by any drowsiness as that isn't Dorothy's intention at that moment, she even calls it the perfect place for secret chats and says she normally punishes bad people by trapping them there. If Dream World always made everyone in it sleep, then Dorothy would be literally killing people since Reve said if you sleep in it, you never wake up.
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If that doesn't convince you, it is worth noting that Reve was indeed yawning and getting sleepy herself so it's very likely she was being affected as well but could resist it unlike the Black Bulls and this is entirely possible considering how related her character is to being sleepy and well sleeping.

the Presence of the Demon King, which affects everyone except Dante himself hell in some cases even a spell something like Gravity Singularity.
Except Dante is being affected by his own gravity. You can see the gravity is affecting him by the lines specifically on his body when he uses it. Dante is just extremely resistant to Gravity due to his raw strength/power. It's quite literally proved later by Yuno and Mereoleona (Post-Growth) that people with enough strength/power can even resist Lucifero's Gravity while Captains couldn't (where we also see gravity lines on Lucifero himself). It's also why Dante's black-hole "doesn't affect him", he's too strong for it to do so significantly.
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Same goes with his other spells it affects time itself, yet that never stops him from affecting the time of targets he only wants. We literally saw this after the final fight lol. (Also the link isn't working but I'm pretty sure you are referring to Patri statement)
Because he affects the flow of time locally, aka within the range of his attacks. It's why Party is able to avoid his time manipulation after what he said about it affecting the flow of time, and why light magic is a natural enemy to time as even though it's messing with the flow of time itself, the "average time magic user" would never hit the "average light magic user" due to how fast they are.

Extra point here, if they could just exclude themselves from their own magic's effects then Nozel would have no reason to be in pain of maintaining his Silver Guardian spell as the poison would not affect him, but it does.
 
All looks okay except for the resistance which seems uncertain.

So I guess I agree with ActuallySpaceMan.
 
It doesn't just repel it, it absorbs it, doubles its speed and power, and sends it back. Simply repelling it alone wouldn't increase its stats. Nevertheless, this projectile example is just bad. We're talking about AoE spells.
Yada yada
Another Atlas =/= Spatial Mana Domination. The former disrupts the mana while the latter CONTROLS it. In any case, you just explained and proves my main point on why they shouldn't have resistance to their own spell just because if appears they were unaffected by them. And it's funny that he has resistance to time stop for some reason but not to other related forms of time manipulation like time acceleration or time reversal. What a conveniently selective resistance lmao

I'm not really sure why this is still a debate considering his other spells already prove that it's possible for him to only affect or exempt specific targets from his spells
 
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