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Monika VS Wizard (DnD)

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Monika decides she must destroy Hasbro due to her hating bronies but accidentally meets and pisses off a DnD wizard on the way. Speed equalized.
Both 2-C Monika starts of existing

Monika: 5

Wizard (Dungeons and Dragons): 1

Inconclusive: 0
 
Monika insta-kills via literally any of her high-end powers (Non-Corporeal, Existence Erasure, Plot Manip, etc etc).

Best hope Wizard has is one hit kills and maybe wishes, but those won't affect Monika enough to kill her.

GG D&D
 
Monika is only non-existent after she is EE'd; she doesn't start like that.

Wizard has Multiversal+ range with their spells as well.
 
Its the first thing she does tough.

Yes. That matters how exactly? Why couldn't she go back or attack from the void?
 
She EE's herself first?

Has she demonstrated the ability to travel between dimensions? This isn't EE, it's dimensional BFR. Monica isn't being sent into any kind of void, she's just being put into another universe, and this key is only Universal+.
 
Yeah. Every time she notices she exists she just erases herself and tells you to stop harrassing her.

Range: Universal+, likely Low Multiversal, and I know she isn't being sent to the void or anything. She just makes it a void by erasing it, much like how she can erase each save file despite beinginside of one.
 
Plus, does he start with that and does it have a travel time? If the answer is no to the first or yes to the second than she just self erases and than erases everything else
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Monika is only non-existent after she is EE'd; she doesn't start like that.
Wizard has Multiversal+ range with their spells as well.
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Are we sure that the spells are actually 2-A in range, or that they are actually 2-C in range, but they simply forgot to edit them after the downgrade?
 
There's nothing implying this on her page. That only happens at the end of the game, which is after she EE'd herself and didn't want to stop not existing. She wouldn't do that in-character in any other instance.

Again, we're using her Universal+ version. She has no Low Multiversal attacks in Low 2-C. She wouldn't be able to come back to the universe the battle starts in as she hasn't demonstrated dimensional travel. Being able to come back from a void/non-existence doesn't imply this.

Since the Wizard has precog and a superior intelligence, it would use it as the first move seeing as it would know that would work on her.
 
The wizard can travel across the multiverse with teleportation and his sealing is from creating demiplanes separate from the multiverse
 
DMB 1 said:
Are we sure that the spells are actually 2-A in range, or that they are actually 2-C in range, but they simply forgot to edit them after the downgrade?
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Them being 2-A or 2-C in range doesn't change anything regarding this battle, seeing as both start in the same universe and are Universal+.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
There's nothing implying this on her page. That only happens at the end of the game, which is after she EE'd herself and didn't want to stop not existing. She wouldn't do that in-character in any other instance.
Again, we're using her Universal+ version. She has no Low Multiversal attacks in Low 2-C. She wouldn't be able to come back to the universe the battle starts in as she hasn't demonstrated dimensional travel. Being able to come back from a void/non-existence doesn't imply this.

Since the Wizard has precog and a superior intelligence, it would use it as the first move seeing as it would know that would work on her.
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And why are we assuming she isn't her end game version..? She didn't have her powers at the beginning, only realizing the fourth wall when she meets the player, and only training in hacking during the game itself. She isn't low 2-C at that point with anything exept maybe death due to glitches
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
And why are we assuming she isn't her end game version..? She didn't have her powers at the beginning, only realizing the fourth wall when she meets the player, and only training in hacking during the game itself. She isn't low 2-C at that point with anything exept maybe death due to glitches
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We're assuming she isn't 2-A in range because the OP stated this is her 2-C version. Her stats are "Low 2-C, possibly 2-A". Mishmashing them goes against what the OP is specifying and probably a rule or two.

We aren't assuming this isn't end-of-game Monika as in that case she'd be starting the battle in a state of non-existence and:

From SBA:

The strongest cano version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.

She's definitly stronger when she isn't in a state of non-existence, going from a pure destructive standpoint.
 
Oh, huh. This is just a stomp then, if its the 2-A versions.
 
She's definitly stronger when she isn't in a state of non-existence, going from a pure destructive standpoint

Her 2-C feat comes in her nonexistent form dude. And again, I ask why we aren't assuming she is in the state she was in last canonically?

And no, her stats are Low 2-C, likely 2-C

There is nothing that implies she is 2-A
 
Typo'd that. Still relevant once the OP specifies Low 2-C, as she isn't Low Multiversal in the key used.

If you consider her ending in the room without deleting her file, she could canonically be either existing or not existing, whatever the OP specifies.
 
Also, I've never seen it used or discussed on any other matches, so we should probably remove a truckload of matches if we have to assume she starts in a state of nonexistence.
 
not really, as we assume all possible scenarios happen with games, much like how frisk always have their soul sold off to chara in everything but their 10-C form.

And again, why would we assume that instead of the two endings the game actualy has? Its like saying that chara might not have the anomlies soul because you could count pacifist only as the ending
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
not really, as we assume all possible scenarios happen with games,
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So, she's both existing and nonexisting?
 
So, considering that's her first move, (I don't personally know this), if the Wizard's attack is with a thought/instantaneous, wouldn't it be inconclusive, as it's whoever moves first?
 
Also, her being nonexistent is not a talking point of nearly every other VS Thread I've seen with Monika. If this is true, we should remove those threads.
 
But why couldn't she attack from the void? Whatever universe she gets bfr'ed gets erased anyways.

Plus, again, does he's precognition not take any time? And again, mechanics for BFR?
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
But why couldn't she attack from the void? Whatever universe she gets bfr'ed gets erased anyways.
Plus, again, does he's precognition not take any time? And again, mechanics for BFR?
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Attacking from a void does not equate to attacking across universes.

I would ask Azzy. I'm only going off of the pages, and don't personally know much about DnD.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Plus, again, does he's precognition not take any time? And again, mechanics for BFR?
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"Hedged Prison: The spell transports the target into a tiny Demiplane that is warded against teleportation and Planar Travel. The Demiplane can be a labyrinth, a cage, a tower, or any similar confined structure or area of your choice."

Planar Travel refers to multiversal travel
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Pretty sure the ward would just get erased.
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Again, she can't travel between dimensions. She can erase the whole universe into a void and she still wouldn't be able to leave.
 
It's just a spell he can cast

Also, erasing the demiplane wouldn't get her out of it since it's still protected from teleportation and cross-universe travel
 
yes, but cast implies it needs time to be cast.

And I am talking about the protection being erased.
 
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