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Monkey D. Luffy vs Kaido, but it's 1v1

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Inspired by this matchup. So we know that Kaido wasn't at 100% when he faced Gear 5 Luffy; he was running a whole Sukuna-type gauntlet. The Nine Red Scabbards jumped my guy, had his scar reopened by them, fought multiple supernovas at the same time, got cut up by Killer's Sonic Scythes and Zoro's Dragon Twister, fought Gear 4th Luffy, fought Yamato while Luffy rested, fought Gear 4th Luffy again (albeit with a little help from Guernika) and then finally fought Gear 5 Luffy (though we can assume Luffy wasn't at 100% either).

So let's make this strictly 1v1 with both of them being at 100% and see if the outcome is different

Battle takes place on the same location: Rooftop

Luffy starts in Gear 5 while Kaido starts in his Dragon Form

Gear 5 Luffy vs Kaido

Who wins and why?
 
Kaido slams. He was noticeably weakened lifting up Onigashima and took hella dura neg attacks from Luffy during this fight as well yet, he was still capable of regaining superiority in the middle and after Luffy did his toon force bullsh*t, arguably blitzing his ass twice over and was capable of pressing him to the defensive (hencewhy Bajrang Gun became a thing).


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And even then, we saw a non-prime Kaido contend with Bajrang Gun for an extended period of time with his Flame state. Meaning the Kaido that pretty much blitzed Luffy wasn't even at his full power at the time lmfao

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Let's also not forget that Luffy has his super-short timeframe with Gear 5 that Kaido was able to initially withstand despite being exhausted. A Prime Kaido outlasts and one-shots him during this specific scenario. No, Luffy having died beforehand doesn't mean Gear 5 doesn't have a time limit and yes Luffy reacted to Yamato, not Kaido.

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Luffy cracked the bones of off Kaido’s face/skull… Another Bajrang gun is doing the same thing against Kaido. Both were heavily exhausted/injured and Kaido wasn’t using his flames clouds at the end, so there would be barely any difference fighting again besides both of them being full health
 
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Luffy cracked the bones of off Kaido’s face/skull… Another Bajrang gun is doing the same thing against Kaido. Both were heavily exhausted/injured and Kaido wasn’t using his flames clouds at the end, so there would be barely any difference fighting again besides both of them being full health

That's if Luffy gets pushed into using it in the first place without getting killed in the process. I was saying:
Bajrang Gun ~ Flame Kaido > Hybrid Kaido >= Gear 5 Luffy > ♾️ Post-Gear 5 Luffy

With Prime Kaido blitzing and one-shotting Luffy after the timer runs out seeing as an exhausted Kaido was capable of reaction blitzing Gear 5 on several occasions. And at the start (and the majority of the clash), that's a Kaido WITH Onigashima btw, so Flame Kaido without would likely be above Bajrang Gun if he didn't bother lifting Onigashima from the start anyway. And also, Kaido was most likely way more exhausted than Luffy here if I'm deadass
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Hybrid Kaido >= Gear 5 Luffy > ♾️ Post-Gear 5 Luffy
how is post gear 5 luffy weaker than... His previous gear 5..? (you might mean his other gears possibly)
And also, Kaido was most likely way more exhausted than Luffy here if I'm deadass
The truth says otherwise...
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Just because he took more attacks doesn't mean he's more exhausted, Luffy literally died and got knocked out several times, he also was very damaged
With Prime Kaido blitzing and one-shotting Luffy after the timer runs out seeing as an exhausted Kaido was capable of reaction blitzing Gear 5 on several occasions.
Luffy would just force his heartbeat again, this time much easier because he wouldn't be dead beforehand... As he himself says how much energy he lost reviving himself

He was reaction blitzing via techniques (while Luffy was already traveling very fast towards him).... Luffy can do the same... Otherwise they are relative in speed
And that's a Kaido WITH Onigashima btw, so Flame Kaido without would likely be above Bajrang Gun anyway.
No, based on what I said above and here:
Kaido wasn’t using his flames clouds at the end

And then this statement also exists
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how is post gear 5 luffy weaker than... His previous gear 5..? (you might mean his other gears possibly)
I mean the shriveled up old man form which is post-Gear 5 as in right after he used Gear 5, it's why I showed those panels in the first place.
The truth says otherwise...
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I'm accounting for every single fight Kaido had with Luffy and the Worst Generation on top of him holding up Onigashima. Comparably, Luffy reached a death-state which does drain alot of energy, I do not deny that. But Luffy and Kaido do not have the same stamina gauge at all, so Luffy getting more tired would only be valid if it was proven that Luffy's own stamina gauge was equal or greater than Kaido's here.

We know Kaido has insane stamina based on the aforementioned feats, does Luffy have similar showings of stamina here? Cuz him tapping out earlier throughout the rooftop fight kinda shows the opposite iangl and if Kaido has vastly more stamina, my previously mentioned win con is far more plausible here.
Just because he took more attacks doesn't mean he's more exhausted, Luffy literally died and got knocked out several times, he also was very damaged
I feel like taking more attacks and fighting for a longer period of time would lead to more exhaustion based on like, common sense? Also all of these factors are covered by the stamina point I mentioned earlier
Luffy would just force his heartbeat again, this time much easier because he wouldn't be dead beforehand... As he himself says how much energy he lost reviving himself
Given that Kaido aims for the head when he uses Thunder Bagua, I sincerely doubt statless old man Luffy would be able to just pump his heart back up after getting hit to revive himself. And even if he did revive himself, he'd be weaker than before by using alot of energy to revive himself, thus Kaido would have a greater chance of winning using the same tactic; he can just repeat the whole outlast-attack-revive-outlast cycle over and over again until Luffy can't continue anymore by that logic
He was reaction blitzing via techniques (while Luffy was already traveling very fast towards him).... Luffy can do the same... Otherwise they are relative in speed
That's fine, I was more so arguing Kaido using the blitz technique or movement after Kaido outlasts Luffy's timer here. Them having relativity in general is undeniable
No, based on what I said above and here:
I elaborated later that it was at the start and the majority of the clash that it was Kaido's flames and not Momonosuke's.
And then this statement also exists
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Buns statement, it doesn't necessarily mean Luffy was superior to Kaido in the fight but rather how the fight went (while ignoring the other contexts that allowed Luffy to overwhelm Kaido. This matchup is literally ignoring all the other factors for a 1v1 here).
 
I'm accounting for every single fight Kaido had with Luffy and the Worst Generation on top of him holding up Onigashima. Comparably, Luffy reached a death-state which does drain alot of energy, I do not deny that. But Luffy and Kaido do not have the same stamina gauge at all, so Luffy getting more tired would only be valid if it was proven that Luffy's own stamina gauge was equal or greater than Kaido's here.

We know Kaido has insane stamina based on the aforementioned feats, does Luffy have similar showings of stamina here? Cuz him tapping out earlier throughout the rooftop fight kinda shows the opposite iangl and if Kaido has vastly more stamina, my previously mentioned win con is far more plausible here.
I feel like taking more attacks and fighting for a longer period of time would lead to more exhaustion based on like, common sense? Also all of these factors are covered by the stamina point I mentioned earlier
Given that Kaido aims for the head when he uses Thunder Bagua, I sincerely doubt statless old man Luffy would be able to just pump his heart back up after getting hit to revive himself. And even if he did revive himself, he'd be weaker than before by using alot of energy to revive himself, thus Kaido would have a greater chance of winning using the same tactic; he can just repeat the whole outlast-attack-revive-outlast cycle over and over again until Luffy can't continue anymore by that logic
You're kinda contradicting yourself...

so you agree Luffy was more exhausted in the fight, because of the stamina issues compared to Kaido... That would mean Luffy was in the weaker state than Kaido and would now start in a way better state than having to start after having to revive himself.
I feel like taking more attacks and fighting for a longer period of time would lead to more exhaustion based on like, common sense? Also all of these factors are covered by the stamina point I mentioned earlier
Not how that works... If I'm fighting someone way weaker than me, I'm not gonna lose as much stamina or be damaged compared to the one that's weaker. And then fighting for a longer period of time means nothing as well... People can fight up to 3 mins of boxing, others can fight 15 mins... Just because the 15 min fighter fights more doesn't mean more exhaustion, that just goes against common sense

The actual showings show Luffy being more exhausted, having taken worse damages, fighting a tougher opponent than himself, and also having to revive himself)
if Kaido has vastly more stamina, my previously mentioned win con is far more plausible here.
No it does not...? Luffy's force with the Bajrang gun would still overpower him.

Luffy was able to hold him in place and then it's in character for Kaido to not run away... The results would be the same.
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More like… this matchup shouldn’t even be a thing to begin with, same with that old one 🙈

But sure I guess, I vote Luffy
 
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