Multiversal+ Saint Seiya Hades

[TheUnshakableOne]

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" If two athena exclamations collide the force will not be Multiplied by 2, or 3. It will be infinite.


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The Big bang gave birth to Time and space

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The Athena Exclamation is a move that requires 3 Gold Saints to use. A single AE is = to 1 big bang. 2 Athena exclamations colliding, or something of equal force collide, it has an infinite output of power.


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Destroying the Wailling wall/Wall of Lamentation requires the power of all 12 Gold Saints.

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And Hades was supporting the "Wall" through his "Divine Will."

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In summary: the wailing wall is a dimensional border that separates Hell from Elyisum.
______________________________________________________________________________ Hades also did manage to effortlessly keep himself alive, and stop his world from being erased by Cronus.As we can see that when he comes to say "Hi" to his father. The feat of Cronus destroying the multiverse is here. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/391759 To understand the feat better. I will post a link explaining the cosmology of Saint Seiya. https://imgur.com/a/JEejYjQ Past, present, and future = alternate worlds. This link explains that the multiverse is infinite. https://imgur.com/a/GPLSP Cronus stated that. "If you do not destroy me before they are all gone... Then everything both here and on Earth will collapse and end in ruin. And that not even Zeus will be able to avoid." It would be illogical to think He wasn't trying to destroy Hades as well. He was very possibly trying to kill off all other olympians at the same time. Summary of points here: Hades survived, and kept his worlds from being destroyed from Cronus. ______________________________________________________________________________ This one is going to get more controversy. Let's review the evidence and scans of some of Hade's Underworld Cosmology. In Saint Seiya Next Dimension. Shun was thrown 200 years into the past. Tenma who was with Shun at the time. Were in the Underworld of Hades. Shun was astonished. https://imgur.com/vBjtdxi To see Seiya who is 200 years into the future walking to his death. https://imgur.com/dpFCgcA Logically Chronos should have been capable of reversing the time of the underworld to accomplish Athena's Wish. Pontos in Episode G in order to reach the sealed Titans in Tartarus of Hades Underworld. He had to walk passed the "eternal Flow of time" the dimension of time itself. https://imgur.com/r2gT3bQ On the new Saint Seiya Official website. It says the 6th prison of the underworld is "Outside of time and space." https://imgur.com/K4YcTZV In Saint Seiya Omega we learn that the Underworld takes souls from other Worlds. https://imgur.com/QEFzHKp Now, why is this important? Because there is 2 other Gods who have similar feats. This is where everyone will think i am crazy. "This is the End of Time." https://imgur.com/M7XWkaV "From here Past, present and future connect." https://imgur.com/1o3BYoh "This is a space beyond time." https://imgur.com/4pOnYoU Portuguese translations use "transcend time" rather than "Beyond time." This is repeated several times in Saint Seiya Omega about the "End of time" dimension of Saturn. Important Context is. "Here past, present, and future connect." "This is a place where past, and future intersect. A kind of place that transcend time and space." https://imgur.com/TLN22xI This is the description of Chronoses "Lake of time." Why is all of this important? Because we have a couple scans saying that Hades underworld is outside of, or "beyond" time and space. We also see in Episode G, and Next Dimension it is a place that Past, and future intersect. In Summary: Hades realm is beyond the time and space of the multiverse. They are very similar to Saturn, and Chronos's realms."

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

2-A seems fine but scaling Hades to chronos is wank.

Also Pontos would be 2-A which might get fun...

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I can't wait to have pontos bully homura

 

[The_Causality]

Athena exclamation is a pure Big Bang energy, not the traditional Big Bang, if two Athena exclamation clash, it's High 3-A via Infinite energy

I don't see High 2-A feat for hades here badly

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

2-A seems fine but scaling Hades to chronos is wank.
Also Pontos would be 2-A which might get fun...

Not scaling them. I am just stating their worlds are setup similarly. Chronos Lake of time transcends time and space. it is where Past, and future intersect.

we see that in Hades underwold a few chapters later. His underworld is also a place where Past, and future was shown to intersect.

my overall point there is that they are just similar. Hades underworld, and Chronos's lake of time.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Athena exclamation is a pure Big Bang energy, not the traditional Big Bang, if two Athena exclamation clash, it's High 3-A via Infinite energy
I don't see High 2-A feat for hades here badly

That is contradicted as i shown. The big bang gave birth to Time and space. Universal+

I also shown other supporting evidence. which i honestly haven't shown all of it tbh. as there is others.

 

[The_Causality]

The Context is to be taken into account, the show =/= the original Manga, if i rememeber corectly, AE is stated to have the Power of the Big Bang, and iy's Multi Galaxy level+ not the space time stuff

 

[Schnee_One]

The Context is to be taken into account, the show =/= the original Manga

Saint Seiya is 2A from the Anime tho.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The Context is to be taken into account, the show =/= the original Manga, if i rememeber corectly, AE is stated to have the Power of the Big Bang, and iy's Multi Galaxy level+ not the space time stuff

Saint Seiya Omega the anime was used as evidence here to upgrade several characters in the verse. Some of which have not been shown in the anime. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1114602

 

[Schnee_One]

I was just about to link that too

 

[The_Causality]

This is not enough here, the manga says that it is the power, we note the Big Bang feat according to what is said. If you sho me the Athena Exclamation from the anime and someone said a space time stuff like you liked, it's Ok but now I do not agree with this point

For the other points, I leave that to others

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

This is not enough here, the manga says that it is the power, we note the Big Bang feat according to what is said. If you sho me the Athena Exclamation from the anime and someone said a space time stuff like you liked, it's Ok but now I do not agree with this point
For the other points, I leave that to others

I will add that to my to do list. I will bring the Athena exclamation scans from Soul of Gold, Omega, and Classic series.

but the classic series is getting a reboot next year apparently.

 

[The_Causality]

Thanks Netflix lol

but in December Saint Seiya Saintia Sho come into existence, pretty cool new

 

[PaChi2]

Here we go again.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Thanks Netflix lol
but in December Saint Seiya Saintia Sho come into existence, pretty cool new

I have scans to show you about the Athena Excalamation. it involves a bit of scaling though.

I will need to go back and find one part i am missing though.

 

[PaChi2]

2-A Gold Knights is an outlier, though.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

>Outlier

I thought outliers dont apply to tiers like this? Unless you meant inconsistency.

 

[PaChi2]

>Outlier

I thought outliers dont apply to tiers like this? Unless you meant inconsistency.

No, absolute outlier for them.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

2-A Gold Knights is an outlier, though.

2-A via combining all their power to a single point for all 12 of them. This is repeated again in Soul of Gold, Omega as well if you count True Omega Kouga. A single one being 2-A hasn't happened yet.

 

[PaChi2]

2-A via combining all their power to a single point for all 12 of them. This is repeated again in Soul of Gold, Omega as well if you count True Omega Kouga. A single one being 2-A hasn't happened yet. ~other Than Seiya who hurt saturn.~

If the attack was actually 2-A. The multiverse would have gone kaboom many times now. And you fail to see that 2-A = infinite 4D power, and infinite / 12 = infinite. Therefore, you get that every GK is 2-A.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

There is the Divine Will of the Gods that rule over the universe. It would prevent the multiverse from being destroyed especially beings like Chronos, and Saturn or Zeus's divine will. secondly, its a control. Control over their cosmos prevents that kind of destruction. Are we going to discredit the statements then?

[Edit] I am about to post a Low Multiversal base Athena excalamation feat.

 

[PaChi2]

There is the Divine Will of the Gods that rule over the universe. It would prevent the multiverse from being destroyed especially beings like Chronos, and Saturn or Zeus's divine will. secondly, its a control. Control over their cosmos prevents that kind of destruction. Are we going to discredit the statements then?

Problem is they dont show that level of power consistently, not even close. Its like me trying to scale iceman to Oblivion.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I am not saying any of the Gold saints are 2-A. its obvious they aren't. More likely it was a miracle performed by all of them.

also it is a verse mechanic of 2 Athena excalamations colliding. Shaka vs Shijma has the same side effect. They both unleashed a universal attack and the result of their clash created countless worlds.

its the combined force that results in that infinite power. But none of them indivually are that high.

thats just how the verse does it.

 

[PaChi2]

Again, yes, I know how it works. It doesnt make it less of an outlier.

Im not against 2-A Hades, but dont try to use the outlier performed by the Gold Saints as an argument to upgrade Hades.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Thanks Netflix lol
but in December Saint Seiya Saintia Sho come into existence, pretty cool new

Here is an example of Low Multiversal Base Athena Exclamation feat.

Hyperion and his cataclysm slash was standing resolute against an AE https://imgur.com/4Mc6lAH

https://imgur.com/Uu2UP0v

Now its important to understand the feats the Cataclysm slash has. I will post those.

It can cut through, and destroy time itself. https://imgur.com/dCK4krj

https://imgur.com/C8q9aPK

https://imgur.com/OCUU08D

It can stop time. https://imgur.com/ewS8eRk

Here is the probably the most important. It is equal to or greater than Abzu. https://imgur.com/5Gs9pz0

Abzu is rated "Low Multiversal" https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Abzu

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Perhaps the most logical explanation is that they performed a miracle ontop of a techinque that is similar to the athena excalamation (but greater.) as we should know that a mircale is "infinite."

 

[PaChi2]

Perhaps the most logical explanation is that they performed a miracle ontop of a techinque that is similar to the athena excalamation (but greater.) as we should know that a mircale is "infinite."

Wanna play a scaling game?

2-A Hades = 2-A Athena = 2-A Poseidon = 2-A God Cloths = 2-A Hypnos/Thanatos = 2-A base athena Lost Canvas = 2-A Alone = 2-A Tenma = 2-A Dokko and Shion = 2-A Lost Canvas Saints = 2-A 20th century Gold Saints = 2-A Bronze Seiya = 2-A silver knights.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Perhaps the most logical explanation is that they performed a miracle ontop of a techinque that is similar to the athena excalamation (but greater.) as we should know that a mircale is "infinite."

Wanna play a scaling game?
2-A Hades = 2-A Athena = 2-A Poseidon = 2-A God Cloths = 2-A Hypnos/Thanatos = 2-A base athena Lost Canvas = 2-A Alone = 2-A Tenma = 2-A Dokko and Shion = 2-A Lost Canvas Saints = 2-A 20th century Gold Saints = 2-A Bronze Seiya = 2-A silver knights.

Good lord what are you trying to prove?

I can prove 2-A Athena. Poseidon is featless. I can prove 2-A god cloths. I can prove 2-A hypnos, Thanatos is debateable. Base forms Gods doens't really matter. The only difference is that their cloths is an additional layer of protection. Tenma would be 2-A in God Cloth with cross canon scaling.

where did you get 2-A dohko and shion? or everyone else lower than that.

It was the combined power of the Gold saints. They won't have it.

 

[PaChi2]

@TheUpgradeMan

Im just messing with you ovo

Dohko repelled Alone's attacks during their encounter (albeit it almost cost him his life). Shion is stated to be Dohko's equal. The rest is just some random bs.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

@TheUpgradeMan
Im just messing with you ovo

Dohko repelled Alone's attacks during their encounter (albeit it almost cost him his life). Shion is stated to be Dohko's equal. The rest is just some random bs.

i never finished all of lost canvas so it could be a difference of canons. hades could of massively held back, or that feat for the Golds* in itself is an outlier. perhaps something else played a part in it.

[edit] what do you think of the Base AE above from Omega having a low multiversal feat?

 

[Archaron]

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