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Alright, time for the CRT so many people have been waiting for. Watch this thread somehow end up keeping them at 7-A+ or downgrade them even further.
Currently the Top and God Tiers are scaling to 7-A+ to High 7-A and High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic.
However, there are multiple accepted calculations that calls for a change to these stats.
100% OFA Disperses A Storm = 114.37 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level)
Fist Bump To The Earth Splits Clouds = 139.35 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level
Star and Stripe's Intercontinental Punch = 4.33 Teratons of TNT (Small Country level+)
A single missile would be 433 Gigatons of TNT.
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Final War Arc Feat) =Mach 18200 and Mach 17155 (Sub-Relativistic)
Edit: The Mach 18200 calc appears to be unusable, so we're only going with the Mach 17155 calc as of now.
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Dark Hero Arc Feat) = Mach 148 or Mach 5941 (Massively Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic+)
Edit: The Mach 5941 end has been accepted and will be a supporting calc for the Sub-Relativistic upgrades.
Shigaraki's Jump: 6,274,634,164 Tons (Class T)
This is a supporting Lifting Strength calc for Class T. Considering Shigaraki did this as a side effect from his jump.
Let's discuss the speed first, since I think this will be more controversial.
Edit: This is only for the Mach 17155 calc now.
Agree: CloverDragon03, Kingofwolves999, Dalesean027, Bruh, SuperStar, Mazdoesstuff, Mapl3Sy4up, edutyn
Disagree:
Neutral: TheRustyOne, Damage3245,
Low-End: Damage3245,
High-End: CloverDragon03, SuperStar, Kingofwolves999, Dalesean027, Bruh, Mapl3Sy4up, Therefir,
Neutral: TheRustyOne, KingTempest, Mazdoesstuff,
433 Gigatons Scaling: KingTempest, Shadowbokunohero, Bruh, Mazdoesstuff, Mapl3Sy4up,
139.35 Gigatons Scaling: TheRustyOne, Therefir, Dalesean027, Damage3245, edutyn, CloverDragon03, Kingofwolves999, Eseseso,
Neutral:
Edit: Now I'm going to move onto the scaling, there is a lot to go over so please look as much of this over as you can before making any decisions.
Agree: TheRustyOne, Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Shadowbokunohero, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral:
Agree: Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral: TheRustyOne, Shadowbokunohero,
Agree: TheRustyOne, Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Shadowbokunohero, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral:
Agree: TheRustyOne, Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Shadowbokunohero, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral:
Agree: TheRustyOne, Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Shadowbokunohero, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral:
Do not hesitate to tell me your opinions, if you think something is wrong or maybe there could be more or maybe that I'm missing something.
Currently the Top and God Tiers are scaling to 7-A+ to High 7-A and High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic.
However, there are multiple accepted calculations that calls for a change to these stats.
Attack Potency
100% OFA Disperses A Storm = 114.37 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level)
Fist Bump To The Earth Splits Clouds = 139.35 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level
Star and Stripe's Intercontinental Punch = 4.33 Teratons of TNT (Small Country level+)
A single missile would be 433 Gigatons of TNT.
Speed
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Final War Arc Feat) =
Edit: The Mach 18200 calc appears to be unusable, so we're only going with the Mach 17155 calc as of now.
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Dark Hero Arc Feat) = Mach 148 or Mach 5941 (Massively Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic+)
Edit: The Mach 5941 end has been accepted and will be a supporting calc for the Sub-Relativistic upgrades.
Lifting Strength
Shigaraki's Jump: 6,274,634,164 Tons (Class T)
This is a supporting Lifting Strength calc for Class T. Considering Shigaraki did this as a side effect from his jump.
Let's discuss the speed first, since I think this will be more controversial.
As you can see above, we have two calcs that put Lady Nagant's bullets being in the Sub-Relativistic range, while this is higher than our current feats, it's still consistent. Lady Nagant fires three times, since Shigaraki gets hit by three bullets. So we know that the timeframes between for these shots was very short. Especially the last shot, as it's the most clear of them all.
A big point of contention here is the distance.
Currently, we have Lady Nagant's range as being 3 km, while the calculation has her firing from over 200 km away. I'm here to explain why this isn't that big of an issue. Our reasoning for her having a 3 km range comes from these statement by Snipe and Izuku. And I think there is a clear explanation here.
First off, Snipe isn't even saying her max range is 3 km. Just that she can pull off what his Quirk does from 3 km away. At most, this means her curving bullet skills from up to 3 km away are on par with his Homing Quirk. However, this doesn't mean she can't fire shots from a much greater distance.
While Izuku says her range is 3 km, he likely got this information from Snipe's statement. I'm pretty sure that's his flashback to watching that program. That's all he had to go off of, so saying her range is 3 km based on the information isn't incorrect. It's also possible that, due to her work, no one knows her real range. The safety commission could've kept details about her powers on the downlow, or she could've done so herself.
And there is no way that Lady Nagant was only 3 km away from them at this point.
We know for a fact that after Kurogiri left, Lady Nagant was in Central Hospital. Which is over 200 km away from the U.A. Flying Fortress, provided by a map Horikoshi himself drew. While Lady Nagant wasn't on the hospital roof when she fired, she literally couldn't have traveled far.
She was shown to be barely capable of walking, and we see that firing two shots made her wounds rip wide open. So she couldn't propel herself with her Quirk. We also know she couldn't be teleported: Kurogiri never came back, and we see Monoma is unconscious from Toga/Twice's attack.
With her low mobility and very small timeframe. Lady Nagant has no way of traveling over 200 km past multiple battlefields. The likely explanation is that Rock Lock helped her get to a taller building so she'd have a clear line of sight to the U.A. Fortress. Right now, everything points to her firing from this distance. We also have no statements or reason to believe she was superior to her normal self in this instant.
So I believe these calcs are good enough to use, agree or disagree?
A big point of contention here is the distance.
Currently, we have Lady Nagant's range as being 3 km, while the calculation has her firing from over 200 km away. I'm here to explain why this isn't that big of an issue. Our reasoning for her having a 3 km range comes from these statement by Snipe and Izuku. And I think there is a clear explanation here.
First off, Snipe isn't even saying her max range is 3 km. Just that she can pull off what his Quirk does from 3 km away. At most, this means her curving bullet skills from up to 3 km away are on par with his Homing Quirk. However, this doesn't mean she can't fire shots from a much greater distance.
While Izuku says her range is 3 km, he likely got this information from Snipe's statement. I'm pretty sure that's his flashback to watching that program. That's all he had to go off of, so saying her range is 3 km based on the information isn't incorrect. It's also possible that, due to her work, no one knows her real range. The safety commission could've kept details about her powers on the downlow, or she could've done so herself.
And there is no way that Lady Nagant was only 3 km away from them at this point.
We know for a fact that after Kurogiri left, Lady Nagant was in Central Hospital. Which is over 200 km away from the U.A. Flying Fortress, provided by a map Horikoshi himself drew. While Lady Nagant wasn't on the hospital roof when she fired, she literally couldn't have traveled far.
She was shown to be barely capable of walking, and we see that firing two shots made her wounds rip wide open. So she couldn't propel herself with her Quirk. We also know she couldn't be teleported: Kurogiri never came back, and we see Monoma is unconscious from Toga/Twice's attack.
With her low mobility and very small timeframe. Lady Nagant has no way of traveling over 200 km past multiple battlefields. The likely explanation is that Rock Lock helped her get to a taller building so she'd have a clear line of sight to the U.A. Fortress. Right now, everything points to her firing from this distance. We also have no statements or reason to believe she was superior to her normal self in this instant.
So I believe these calcs are good enough to use, agree or disagree?
Edit: This is only for the Mach 17155 calc now.
Agree: CloverDragon03, Kingofwolves999, Dalesean027, Bruh, SuperStar, Mazdoesstuff, Mapl3Sy4up, edutyn
Disagree:
Neutral: TheRustyOne, Damage3245,
The calculation in discussion right now is the Dark Hero Arc calc for Lady Nagant. We should decide which end we're going to use, as we're unsure which end should be used.
Note: In both cases we aren't assuming Lady Nagant's bullet blitzed Izuku's full speed and scaling him to that via circular reasoning. He isn't giving this everything he's got, he's just making a distraction for Lady Nagant. However, even Speed of Sound is massively lower than Izuku's speed.
Even when exhausted his Blackwhip could easily outpace sound waves from Jiro. I explained this better in the calculation itself. But I believe his Blackwhip being at least the speed of sound is possible. However, I don't mind if you think the low-end is a safer pick, so I'll just put myself down as being neutral on it. As I'm technically fine with using either ends.
Which end do you believe should be usable?
Note: In both cases we aren't assuming Lady Nagant's bullet blitzed Izuku's full speed and scaling him to that via circular reasoning. He isn't giving this everything he's got, he's just making a distraction for Lady Nagant. However, even Speed of Sound is massively lower than Izuku's speed.
Even when exhausted his Blackwhip could easily outpace sound waves from Jiro. I explained this better in the calculation itself. But I believe his Blackwhip being at least the speed of sound is possible. However, I don't mind if you think the low-end is a safer pick, so I'll just put myself down as being neutral on it. As I'm technically fine with using either ends.
Which end do you believe should be usable?
Low-End: Damage3245,
High-End: CloverDragon03, SuperStar, Kingofwolves999, Dalesean027, Bruh, Mapl3Sy4up, Therefir,
Neutral: TheRustyOne, KingTempest, Mazdoesstuff,
I have to bring this up, but there are two High 6-C ratings the characters can be upgraded to.
433 Gigatons or 139.35 Gigatons.
The 433 Gigatons come from the Tiamat Missile calc above, I'll explaining the reasoning for why now.
The Low 6-B attack was launched directly at the Near High-End Nomu and literally punched into it. While it did survive, the Nomu was left severely injured and is massively smaller than the missile; as such, we won't be directly scaling it to the Small Country level+ explosion. The scaling will focus on the 433 Gigatons results for a single missile. While Star's intention was to strike Shigaraki, her target ended up being the Near High-End Nomu, which was able to survive this attack from point-blank range (As close as physically possible to missiles over a few dozen times your size) and later followed Shigaraki's orders to self-destruct.
So we had previously agreed that its durability scales to at least one cruise missile. If one missile was enough to beat Shigaraki, Star wouldn't have wasted them all in a single attack. So Incomplete Shigaraki and High-Ends are suggested to scale to 433 GT.
Arguments against this scaling: Shigaraki or the Nomu literally cannot scale to the full value of even a single missile due to the unfortunate size difference between them. The Inverse Square Law prevents them from taking the full force, and as such, we cannot say a single missile couldn't kill them if the entire energy of the blast hit them. So yes, while a single missile wouldn't kill them without any doubt, we wouldn't know how much energy would hit them in that scenario.
I personally say we should just use the above 139.35 GT calc, and these missiles are just used a supporting calc. No one, besides Star's Giant Durability, would scale to the missiles.
So I ask you all, which do you agree with?
433 Gigatons or 139.35 Gigatons.
The 433 Gigatons come from the Tiamat Missile calc above, I'll explaining the reasoning for why now.
The Low 6-B attack was launched directly at the Near High-End Nomu and literally punched into it. While it did survive, the Nomu was left severely injured and is massively smaller than the missile; as such, we won't be directly scaling it to the Small Country level+ explosion. The scaling will focus on the 433 Gigatons results for a single missile. While Star's intention was to strike Shigaraki, her target ended up being the Near High-End Nomu, which was able to survive this attack from point-blank range (As close as physically possible to missiles over a few dozen times your size) and later followed Shigaraki's orders to self-destruct.
So we had previously agreed that its durability scales to at least one cruise missile. If one missile was enough to beat Shigaraki, Star wouldn't have wasted them all in a single attack. So Incomplete Shigaraki and High-Ends are suggested to scale to 433 GT.
Arguments against this scaling: Shigaraki or the Nomu literally cannot scale to the full value of even a single missile due to the unfortunate size difference between them. The Inverse Square Law prevents them from taking the full force, and as such, we cannot say a single missile couldn't kill them if the entire energy of the blast hit them. So yes, while a single missile wouldn't kill them without any doubt, we wouldn't know how much energy would hit them in that scenario.
I personally say we should just use the above 139.35 GT calc, and these missiles are just used a supporting calc. No one, besides Star's Giant Durability, would scale to the missiles.
So I ask you all, which do you agree with?
433 Gigatons Scaling: KingTempest, Shadowbokunohero, Bruh, Mazdoesstuff, Mapl3Sy4up,
139.35 Gigatons Scaling: TheRustyOne, Therefir, Dalesean027, Damage3245, edutyn, CloverDragon03, Kingofwolves999, Eseseso,
Neutral:
Edit: Now I'm going to move onto the scaling, there is a lot to go over so please look as much of this over as you can before making any decisions.
Now for the scaling. I'm not going to go over everything that's already been accepted and is being used. I will just generalize the changes and show sandboxes.
The accepted calculations are:
Deku's 100% Attack Potency (Joint Training Arc) - 114.37 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level) (Supporting feat)
Near High-End Nomu's Durability - 139.35 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level)
Intercontinental Cruise Punch's Attack Potency - 4.33 Teratons of TNT (Small Country level+) (Supporting feat for Tier 6 in general, no one scales to this)
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Dark Hero Arc) - Mach 5941 - (Massively Hypersonic+) (Supporting feat)
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Final War Arc) - Mach 17155 (Sub-Relativistic)
TLDR: all of the High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic characters will become Sub-Relativistic.
This is excluding Number 6 and Koichi, who don't scale to any of this. In fact Koichi's scaling to Endeavor was agreed to be removed awhile ago, as Endeavor wasn't attacking Koichi seriously as he never used his Flashfire Fist. So Koichi's second key speed rating will just scale to Overclock's normal speed.
The AP upgrades will turn all of the 7-A+ to High 7-A characters to High 6-C. The At most 7-A+ characters will downscale to baseline High 6-C, which is 100 GT.
Verse Page: Showing the numbers they all scale to.
Sandbox 1: The majority of characters who'll be scaling to High 6-C and Sub-Relativistic, both new and old.
Shoto's All-Out War key becomes his Final War Arc key, as there's no reason to have both of them.
Same is true for basically anyone else who has an All-Out War key or Final Act Saga key. Tsukuyomi is an exception, as he has a different rating from his Final War Arc self.
Sandbox 2: Burnin's profile concept, Gentle's profile update, along with the changes for Koichi's speed.
To explain Burnin's scaling. Onima and Burnin are holding back two different Hell Spider "webs", they aren't connected. So they're both holding back a single attack. Burnin' is holding the attack back and Kido is taking care of whatever gets passed her. She was also shown to be injured from fighting Near High-Ends for over half an hour.
Sandbox 3: 8-B characters who won't be High 6-C, but are being upgraded in some way or form. Either in speed or just higher into 8-B.
Twice's new look for his profile is being suggested as well. Having a varies rating for his Double Quirk as he can make clones of other people with different strength.
All Might: All Might profile updated, making it a different sandbox because tabbers really don't like | that symbol being used.
All For One: All For One's new profile, I've switched his keys around to match with All Might's.
Tomura Shigaraki: Shigaraki's new profile, and I have a suggestion regarding this. I propose Shiggy gets a separate profile for his AFO or Post-Surgery self.
Please take note of Shigaraki's new abilities as well. How does what I have look? Don't hesitate to give any suggestions if you agree.
Katsuki Bakugo (Final Act) and Katsuki Bakugo (Pre-Final Act): Yeah, that's right. I'm suggesting we split Bakugo's profile in the same way we do with Izuku's.
How does what I have look? Feel free to give any suggestions on improving this if you agree.
Izuku Midoriya (Final Act): Since we don't know what percentage he is using, we're rating his new usage of his Quirk as just One For All until we're told otherwise. If we get confirmation this is 100% Full Cowl we'll just label it as that, and if it isn't we'll label it by whatever percentage it is.
Take note of Izuku's new abilities with Gearshift as well.
5 Times Fa Jin : This was suggested to me recently and I had similar thoughts. It's believed that Izuku's max Fa Jin energy storage should be 5X his own AP. As Izuku was capable of storing the energy from his Detroit Smash Quintuple, which was 5 rapid Detroit Smashes. With Gearshift it's an unknown amount higher, but Fa Jin should have a "max" limit of 5X his own AP. This suggestion would raise 45% Izuku's Fa Jin to 500 Gigatons.
Note: Faux 100% is not 500 GT in this case, just that 500 GT would be the max amount of energy he can store and unleash. As we aren't told Faux 100% was his max limit. Especially when he charged that energy just by flexing his legs or with repeated squats.
If this somehow leads to stacking "multipliers", I'm going to give a disagree faster than Gearshift.
Current Izuku's Fa Jin would be 696.75 GT and Large Island level+. This currently wouldn't scale to anyone, as this attack blew a hole into Shigaraki's body. Shigaraki might scale with his Quirks in the future, but I highly doubt anyone else except for that would scale to this.
Agree or Disagree with this?
The accepted calculations are:
Deku's 100% Attack Potency (Joint Training Arc) - 114.37 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level) (Supporting feat)
Near High-End Nomu's Durability - 139.35 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level)
Intercontinental Cruise Punch's Attack Potency - 4.33 Teratons of TNT (Small Country level+) (Supporting feat for Tier 6 in general, no one scales to this)
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Dark Hero Arc) - Mach 5941 - (Massively Hypersonic+) (Supporting feat)
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Final War Arc) - Mach 17155 (Sub-Relativistic)
TLDR: all of the High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic characters will become Sub-Relativistic.
This is excluding Number 6 and Koichi, who don't scale to any of this. In fact Koichi's scaling to Endeavor was agreed to be removed awhile ago, as Endeavor wasn't attacking Koichi seriously as he never used his Flashfire Fist. So Koichi's second key speed rating will just scale to Overclock's normal speed.
The AP upgrades will turn all of the 7-A+ to High 7-A characters to High 6-C. The At most 7-A+ characters will downscale to baseline High 6-C, which is 100 GT.
Verse Page: Showing the numbers they all scale to.
Sandbox 1: The majority of characters who'll be scaling to High 6-C and Sub-Relativistic, both new and old.
Shoto's All-Out War key becomes his Final War Arc key, as there's no reason to have both of them.
Same is true for basically anyone else who has an All-Out War key or Final Act Saga key. Tsukuyomi is an exception, as he has a different rating from his Final War Arc self.
Sandbox 2: Burnin's profile concept, Gentle's profile update, along with the changes for Koichi's speed.
To explain Burnin's scaling. Onima and Burnin are holding back two different Hell Spider "webs", they aren't connected. So they're both holding back a single attack. Burnin' is holding the attack back and Kido is taking care of whatever gets passed her. She was also shown to be injured from fighting Near High-Ends for over half an hour.
Sandbox 3: 8-B characters who won't be High 6-C, but are being upgraded in some way or form. Either in speed or just higher into 8-B.
Twice's new look for his profile is being suggested as well. Having a varies rating for his Double Quirk as he can make clones of other people with different strength.
All Might: All Might profile updated, making it a different sandbox because tabbers really don't like | that symbol being used.
All For One: All For One's new profile, I've switched his keys around to match with All Might's.
Tomura Shigaraki: Shigaraki's new profile, and I have a suggestion regarding this. I propose Shiggy gets a separate profile for his AFO or Post-Surgery self.
Please take note of Shigaraki's new abilities as well. How does what I have look? Don't hesitate to give any suggestions if you agree.
Katsuki Bakugo (Final Act) and Katsuki Bakugo (Pre-Final Act): Yeah, that's right. I'm suggesting we split Bakugo's profile in the same way we do with Izuku's.
How does what I have look? Feel free to give any suggestions on improving this if you agree.
Izuku Midoriya (Final Act): Since we don't know what percentage he is using, we're rating his new usage of his Quirk as just One For All until we're told otherwise. If we get confirmation this is 100% Full Cowl we'll just label it as that, and if it isn't we'll label it by whatever percentage it is.
Take note of Izuku's new abilities with Gearshift as well.
5 Times Fa Jin : This was suggested to me recently and I had similar thoughts. It's believed that Izuku's max Fa Jin energy storage should be 5X his own AP. As Izuku was capable of storing the energy from his Detroit Smash Quintuple, which was 5 rapid Detroit Smashes. With Gearshift it's an unknown amount higher, but Fa Jin should have a "max" limit of 5X his own AP. This suggestion would raise 45% Izuku's Fa Jin to 500 Gigatons.
Note: Faux 100% is not 500 GT in this case, just that 500 GT would be the max amount of energy he can store and unleash. As we aren't told Faux 100% was his max limit. Especially when he charged that energy just by flexing his legs or with repeated squats.
If this somehow leads to stacking "multipliers", I'm going to give a disagree faster than Gearshift.
Current Izuku's Fa Jin would be 696.75 GT and Large Island level+. This currently wouldn't scale to anyone, as this attack blew a hole into Shigaraki's body. Shigaraki might scale with his Quirks in the future, but I highly doubt anyone else except for that would scale to this.
Agree or Disagree with this?
High 6-C Upgrades
Agree: TheRustyOne, Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Shadowbokunohero, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral:
Sub-Relativistic Upgrades
Agree: Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral: TheRustyOne, Shadowbokunohero,
Split Profiles For Shigaraki and Bakugo
Agree: TheRustyOne, Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Shadowbokunohero, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral:
Quintuple Fa Jin Energy Rating
Agree: TheRustyOne, Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Shadowbokunohero, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral:
Not sure how else to phrase that. This is about Burnin getting a profile for herself along with the changes to Gentle and Koichi.
Agree: TheRustyOne, Dalesean027, Therefir, Kingofwolves999, SuperStar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Mapl3Sy4up, Bruh, Shadowbokunohero, Mazdoesstuff, Maverick_Zero_X, DemonGodMitchAubin,
Disagree:
Neutral:
Do not hesitate to tell me your opinions, if you think something is wrong or maybe there could be more or maybe that I'm missing something.
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