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Bakugo actually accumulates aura debt for how many times he fails during the first half of the story.
He has inherent aura savings in-universe due to his Quirk but that's it.
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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He has inherent aura savings in-universe due to his Quirk but that's it.
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Ill explain tomorrow since i gtg to bed but trust me its more versatile then people think it is
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Does Deku apply the slow down to shiggy or did he just blitz is my question
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A lot of people online will say he has the most aura though. Like I’ve seen people say it on Twitter and stuff before.
Then why does All Might have the most aura? He doesn’t have the biggest impact on society, his design is less “edgy” than many of Deku’s which helps with aura (more on that below), he’s a less popular character, he was less important in the final war, I believe his win rate in the series is actually lower than Deku’s (won 2 fights in screen, lost one) and we never really saw his struggle to get to the top and thus have no reference point to compare his growth to unlike Deku.
I was partly kidding, I don’t consider Monoma of all people to aura mog him. But if he was considered the character with most aura he would be ranked higher. He’s got the story content for it, he’s not a woman (which often get lower ranked in Shonen fanbases) and he had a fight recently in the anime at the time of the poll.
Better being below “generational comeback man” than “temu tsukishima” and “woman debuff (she would def be higher if she was male
)”.Coming behind Bakugoat (Mr. Best animated episode in the series) vs coming behind Monoma (mr. I stopped being relevant after the coffin fight)
Problem is, aura isnt an objective thing. We can disagree all we want, but we’re not gonna change the other’s mind because we’re so adamant that we are correct.
I am merely arguing who is considered to have more aura than the fandom. In terms of who is often considered to have the most aura, it’s often the character who starts out weak but gets stronger throughout the narrative. It’s why Solo Levelling got so popular, if he was powerful from the start I don’t think the series would have caught on within the aura crowds.
In my own standards, I believe there is also a design aspect to aura, that I think you mentioned but I think would actually put Deku over All Might. Darker colours and sharper edges often allow characters to have more aura in the eyes of the public (for example, no one says classic Sonic has more aura than Modern). This doesn’t mean characters with more rounded features can’t have aura (for example, when I watched the Mario Galaxy movie, half of it was spent turning to my friend and saying “aura” whenever anyone did anything), it just means that they lose some of that compared to characters designed more to look “cool”. Capes as well are often the greatest tool for farming aura, and guess what, Deku has a cape for most of the final act. All Might barely ever wears a cape in the series, besides his Young Age suit (that we only see once), his Silver Age suit (that he never uses in an action scene) and his Armored suit (where I would argue he has the most aura tbf). The only time Deku doesn’t have a cape is the overlay form, which adds so much aura to him by covering his mouth, covering him in black tendrils and making him essentially look like some kind of monster. Deku’s face in general takes a sharper form in fights than All Might’s as well, which gives him a more menacing visage in battle than All Might does (which is somewhat a point in story, he looks scarier than All Might when he’s trying to save you). Glowing eyes and literal “aura” also helps with this, another point in Deku’s favour. Covering the mouth also helps, as I believe that human mouths can often look weird.
I think there is some truth to this in greater fandom spaces, Jin Woo from Solo Levelling is considered as having the most when his design becomes sharper, his clothing becomes darker, and he has glowing eyes and a literal aura. The Yuji aura shot that people use is him with merely his silhouette visible, his bloodlusted eyes staring pure white. The Deku forms considered to have the most aura is his masked form (epsilon) and the form that obscures his mouth (overlay). Darth Vader is the original aura farmer and he looks inhuman due to his mask, as well as having a sick-ass cape. Same goes for General Grievous. No one really makes hype edits with Doom Guy’s helmet off, the helmet stays on for aura, but his cape did make people go like “he has even more aura now”. Neo Metal Sonic is probably considered one of the biggest aura farmers in his verse, and wouldn’t you know it, he has no mouth, a cape and an angular design. Deku’s design, at least in the final arc, has all the things that a lot of other famous aura farmers have and he has showings to back it up like fighting the most powerful enemy in history and rather than just killing him, taking the hard way to save his soul before he dies - even if that means letting go of his own dream. All Might’s design is more rounded, designed to look comforting rather than cool, and to inspire hope. He’s a great design but I, and I imagine many others, consider him less “aura-ful” for that reason.
God, I just realised this conversation is like one Deku would have with a student (you’re Deku, I’m the student) after he says that All Might was the coolest hero.
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Some of these are positive attributes for Deku but ultimately not affecting what people consider as aura.
Aura farming = looking cool. That's pretty much the baseline for it.
But people typically judge how much aura there is by how cool a character is (charisma) and how memorable or iconic their aura farming is.
The correlation or causation you're looking for really doesn't exist here given you're looking at completely different samples. The twitter users you see aren't the same people voting in WSJ's popularity polls.
If polls were dictated by aura farming edits Megumi wouldn't have ever dominated JJK's but it took until after the 2nd season ended when Gojo usurped the #1 spot from him.
Ultimately the fact that All Might is a less prominent character at the end affects his poll placement more than anything else.
I could make a very scathing and mean-spirited comment about Deku's poll placement here but I'll refrain from it as it's quite pointless to do so.Better being below “generational comeback man” than “temu tsukishima” and “woman debuff (she would def be higher if she was male
Sung Jin Woo rapidly becomes powerful compared to his peers within the parameters of his story and the ratings and reception of Solo Leveling tanked whenever he showed weakness after he became strong.
There isn't really any meaningful parallels between Deku and SJW here especially in the context of shallow aura discussions.
I'd go as far as say that it's outrageous for Deku to be compared to SJW. His popularity is sourced from more than just having glowing sperm cells in his eyes.
You're not wrong about character design but there are plenty of examples of non-edgy dark designs being full of aura, like Piccolo, and multitudes of examples of aura flops copying said dark and edgy designs. Being edgy isn't aura.
Is the implication here that I'm fanboying over All Might?
Because this whole conversation I've barely talked about All Might at all compared to other points.
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Really the actual topic I was even talking about is that All Might having too much aura is the big reason why there's a lot of uninformed and incorrect powerscaling takes regarding MHA's pecking order.
Prime All Might has almost no feats at all. He has one big but unquantifiable speed feat in Vigilantes. Blowing up AFO's skull is a scaling feat that's also unquantifiable. But PAM is practically mythologized by the fandom and it's due to nothing more than his aura and feats even in his Weakened form, amplified by how he and his fight scenes are drawn.
The anime also massively helped this train of thought with how well it treated All Might for the most part.
So despite the fact that Final War Deku would 5 tap PAM and how PAM-level feats is actually done by Tomura himself, they keep getting compared to PAM, a guy with almost 0 feats and relies a lot on narrative and character aura.
Prime All Might has almost no feats at all. He has one big but unquantifiable speed feat in Vigilantes. Blowing up AFO's skull is a scaling feat that's also unquantifiable. But PAM is practically mythologized by the fandom and it's due to nothing more than his aura and feats even in his Weakened form, amplified by how he and his fight scenes are drawn.
The anime also massively helped this train of thought with how well it treated All Might for the most part.
So despite the fact that Final War Deku would 5 tap PAM and how PAM-level feats is actually done by Tomura himself, they keep getting compared to PAM, a guy with almost 0 feats and relies a lot on narrative and character aura.
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This perception skewing is also Season 6's fault. Specifically how Bones did All Might vs AFO in Camino compared to Deku vs Tomura in Jaku.
Strictly manga-wise, Deku vs Tomura was at least on par, if not far better than AM vs AFO. You can compare the panels and so on and see how much weight and impact there is when Deku was pummeling Shiggy. This is easily one of his best charisma showings on par with Dark Deku.
The anime did not do that fight justice at all. Back when the season aired, folks here cited the fluid arm animation Deku had when doing Wyoming Smashes as evidence that the fight as well adapted when it looked like he was using 5% in the anime version. The manga version made Deku look like he's hitting with the force of high yield explosions.
That's another part of the reason why some fans (anime-onlies) argue that Tomura and Deku atp was weaker than All Might.
Strictly manga-wise, Deku vs Tomura was at least on par, if not far better than AM vs AFO. You can compare the panels and so on and see how much weight and impact there is when Deku was pummeling Shiggy. This is easily one of his best charisma showings on par with Dark Deku.
The anime did not do that fight justice at all. Back when the season aired, folks here cited the fluid arm animation Deku had when doing Wyoming Smashes as evidence that the fight as well adapted when it looked like he was using 5% in the anime version. The manga version made Deku look like he's hitting with the force of high yield explosions.
That's another part of the reason why some fans (anime-onlies) argue that Tomura and Deku atp was weaker than All Might.
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well technically by ignoring inertia deku is essentially not abiding by the entire law of motion as the other two laws of motion literally require inertia to be in play for the law of motion to work out so by deku ignoring the laws of inertia he's by proxy not abiding by the entire law of motion
now im not saying this means he has immeasurable or infinite speed or smth but its the byproducts of what comes with not abiding by the laws of motion
Imagine this:
Deku when gearshift is active, isn't abiding by the laws of motion so therefore his molecules would be perfectly still and wouldn't move at all since they don't abide by the law of motion they would be perfectly and utterly still and couldn't be moved
Now let me put this into a hypothetical scenario
Lets say izuku's durability is set to average human level and his piercing dura is absolute trash. Someone fires a gun at him (and lets say he doesn't dodge but decides to tank it) the bullet would try to enter izuku's body but that would require the molecules/atoms inside izuku's body to move and part for the bullet to enter his body but since izuku's molecules/atoms dont abide by the laws of motion they wouldn't part at all for the bullet. So in turn the bullet literally squishes itself into a coin in shape while colliding against izuku's immovable body and then it would fall to the ground
basically invulnerability (ofc dura negs still work just as long as they dont require the law of motion to be present and working)
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I mean when compared to Midoriya. Obviously he has like second biggest in verse. His influence also kinda made things go a bit worse, which is why I put Midoriya’s influence over his.
See, I’d consider Deku to have a “cooler” personality than All Might, or at least as cool. They are somewhat similar, except that Deku kinda has more of a “never give up” spirit to him than All Might.
Maybe not the JP ones but they should be on the global ones. The diehards anyway.
Not gonna go on about the poll thing too much, it was more meant as a joke than anything but All Might had a major fight by this point so that’s not the best point. But the Megumi point I kinda get, honestly didn’t know he ranked that high (above ******* GOJO? REALLY?). Is that the Japanese or global poll?
I ultimately meant it as a joke anyway. We’re not saying Mirko has less aura than ******* Monoma based on that lmao. I do think Deku’s popularity is partly due to his relatability which - to me - is what makes him cool.
That’s actually a misconception. That episode where he cries still has a very high rating. I think there was slightly more dislike from some fans upon release as it had followed action episodes, and people saw that dislike and said “Solo Levelling fans hate when he cries” and it stuck. It’s like how misconceptions spread about the MHA ending, and then for a year Deku was the McDonald’s worker.
I agree. I was just bringing up Jin Woo as an example of a character with aura and why he had aura.
It’s not the only thing of course, but it’s a big contributor. It requires the character to actually be good though, that is where I agree otherwise it just feels try hard. Like how people laugh at Infinite and call him try-hard (true) and laugh when he gets beaten up by Shadow, who does his archetype so much better. Edgy characters who are well written are often the biggest aura merchants in fiction. I’d say it helps that Deku doesn’t really have a try-hard personality, it’s easy to say he’s a cool character because his personality backs up his design.
Not fanboying no. It’s just I could imagine a similar conversation happening in verse. If anything that comparison is worse for me anyway, cos it implies I’m an annoying student.
Anyway, the aura topic probably has gone on long enough, it’s such a subjective thing that there’s no use arguing honestly. Both have a lot of aura anyway imo. And I’d still say All Might’s a bigger aura-farmer it’s just that Deku gets aura without trying (except that one bit with Spinner, he knew what he was doing lmao). But it is getting a little tiring taking about, and it’s making me hate the word aura a little now.
I will say about the topic you are actually interested in, I agree. The reason I think PAM gets so much glaze is because when the series began he was that mythical God you can’t reach or live up to. As the series went on, Deku got closer to that level but he could never reach the image of PAM in the minds of the old heads. Then, newer fans started going like “Deku and Shigaraki are stronger than All Might” and it didn’t make sense to older fans. “Deku is the underdog protagonist. He can’t match Quirk Superman”. The fact that we never see Prime All Might do anything built him up in the fandoms heads. It’s not that Deku is less powerful than PAM, it’s that he’s less powerful than their vision of PAM. This perfect hero that can’t fail. A version of All Might that does not exist. It’s the version of All Might that is believed to exist in canon, the one built up by propaganda and suppression of emotion to make him seem stronger than he is.
I was mostly anime only until Final Season, and this didn’t really impact anything for me. You do see the shockwaves going quite far in Season 6 when they punch. But also that fight is in the air so no destruction occurs, and destruction makes things feel more powerful. I remember for the Final Season people were saying Bakugo was more powerful than All Might cos of that. Most of Deku’s fights with Shigaraki are in the sky (for obvious reasons), so you get less of that destruction than you got in All Might vs All For One. I think since the Final Season, you get a lot less people saying All Might is more powerful, for that reason. You see Shigaraki destroy a city to the point where it floods (I know that doesn’t scale to AP, but that doesn’t matter for general viewers), Deku survives a massive explosion, he lifts up portions of the ground, uproots trees with wind pressure, disperses clouds, causes winds in America (I have seen casuals react to that feat with a “whoa”). They’re still there of course, but there’s less of them now cos the feats point more to Deku atp. Same as how the McDonald’s worker meme went away, it’s still here sometimes but the majority of people who have seen the anime can see that these people are either lying or just wrong.
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Honestly if you think about it, AFO geniunely might be one of the most successful villain in shonen.
While in the story, at the tail end he is made to look pathetic, he is actually the most accomplished character in the story.
- Was born without parents yet survived.
- Even in his preschool age he was already strong enough to defend himself. (People do forget he is from a time where you could get mob lynched for being a metahuman.)
- Became the strongest man in the world by his teenage years.
- Completely took over Japan and became a major international crimelord by adulthood. So basically he has already achieved and lived his Demon lord goal.
- Lived at the top of the food chain for more than a century, killing 7 generations of his enemies.
- Lost to All Might but also gave him a permenent disability. Came back and threw Japan into a state of anarchy in just six months.
While in the story, at the tail end he is made to look pathetic, he is actually the most accomplished character in the story.
- Was born without parents yet survived.
- Even in his preschool age he was already strong enough to defend himself. (People do forget he is from a time where you could get mob lynched for being a metahuman.)
- Became the strongest man in the world by his teenage years.
- Completely took over Japan and became a major international crimelord by adulthood. So basically he has already achieved and lived his Demon lord goal.
- Lived at the top of the food chain for more than a century, killing 7 generations of his enemies.
- Lost to All Might but also gave him a permenent disability. Came back and threw Japan into a state of anarchy in just six months.
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Shigaraki technically achieved his goal, so he seems more successful to me. He wanted society to change from the one that let him be abused, and it did. Same kinda thing for Toga and Dabi.
Also, I love how pathetic he is at the end. It’s like a final mask off moment, and fits the series themes of understanding who a villain is. He wasn’t an unfeeling Demon Lord, he was a pathetic old man who felt lonely and wanted the person who he believed was taken from him. I also like the idea that people have floated around that if he had taken over the world without getting OFA, he’d probably get depressed cos like what would he even do? In that sense, the fate that Deku gave him is probably the kindest he could have received.
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Not really since the one that abused him was his father and that's due to manipulation. Like that's not even about society, family issues are personal. Dabi achived his goal of destroying Endeavor , but I don't buy the "change in hero system". The story tries to make it look like the Hero rankings aren't about power anymore, even though they never were. ******* Wash was in top 10, just out of him being popular among kids. So the system is just the same. Not to mention Endeavour's obession wasn't about the system, it was about his childhood trauma.
Toga was the only one who somewhat got what she wanted.
Also the AFO stuff kinda comes out of left field. It just feels like Horikoshi at the end of first PLW arc decided he wants every villain to be sympathetic.
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It’s more that no one reached out to help him though. Not his family or the granny because society had become so reliant on heroes that “ordinary” people kinda gave up on doing good themselves.
They were never about power but they were always about crimes stopped. The big change is that now heroes are also ranked by their non-hero work as well, Deku staying in the double digits due to his teaching, Yaoyorozu with her scientific projects, Uraraka with her quirk counselling etc. There’s more to heroism now than just straight up hero work. There is also less of a focus on rankings, so a villain like Dabi can never appear again. You mention Wash as an example but he would be very good at helping out civilians who were injured due to his quirk, which is still linked to hero work. That’s probably some of the reason why he was so popular.
Maybe somewhat, but Endeavour’s main flaws come from the society that prioritises one symbol over everyone reaching out for each other. His obsessive need to reach Number 1 due to a system that assigns a value to heroism via public vote and number of crimes solved. All Might’s example was the paragon of heroism for this society, which lead to the takeaway of heroism coming through strength. If Endeavour had the same backstory but grew up in the Post-timeskip world, he’d probably be a much different and better person. There are some flaws from there still being a ranking system, but the fact that heroes care less about it now and that it is rewarded by humanitarian endeavours as well, helps the feeling of progress (plus the whole thing of society taking time to change, villains didn’t just disappear after the war either).
Some people would say she was treated too harshly by the story. Honestly, I think her ending is the best we could have gotten. If she had been treated like a pure evil villain and killed without remorse, the message of the story would fall completely flat, as it would if she had lived in the forest after the war like was originally planned. And it’s hard not to feel sad for her after seeing how she was treated. I think she’s a good example of how the mentally ill are often treated and how their mistreatment can cause serious problems and harm later in life.
AFO was not sympathetic at all. He’s pathetic if anything. He was human, but that’s a different thing. His backstory makes it clear that he was hateful since his childhood, killing those he saw as below him (like the glowing baby). His relationship with Yoichi is very one sided as well, with it being more like how a person would love a possession than another person. However, he wanted to be seen as something inhuman, a demon Lord. His ending proves that he is still a human inside, but it doesn’t absolve him of any of his crimes. I don’t need to go on about the horrible things real humans have done.
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That really doesn't work. His family and grandparents weren't waiting for heroes, it wasn't about bystander effect. It was personal and family dynamics. Kotaro took his in-laws into his own house thus they view him with gratitude, plus they are from older generation, asian parenting is very different (even then Kotaro only slapped Tomura once and forbade talking about heroes. Other than that his house was chill. It's not like he came in drunk every night to beat his wife and children.)
Devolving everything down to "We live in a society" is very naïve and overlooks personal relations, family dynamics and individuals. Tomura was always going to fall into that pit because AFO was pushing him into it. Same goes for Toga, you can say society all you want, but tell me, would you let your kids/little siblings, play with a girl who wants to cut them open and drink their blood ? Thought so.
Quirk affecting personality should be addressed yes, (it doesn't make sense it hasn't already since quirks are already more than a century old) but it's not a pass. By that logic Moonfish shouldn't be portrayed as a horror villain while Toga is all cute and sad even though both a sadistic serial killers. That's not consistent.
Dabi point also doesn't work. First Deku is that high, because he is Deku. He is literally a national war hero. The ranking didn't really matter to anyone other than Endeavor, that was solely his personal problem and one sided rivalry with all might that manifested in form of ranking. Even if rankings didn't exist, that won't stop people like Endeavor, because you don't need an official poll to have a race of superiority. There was none for Bakugo, and yet he was still competing with Deku. Villains don't have polls but still try to one up each other.
There is no official ranking that said AFO was the Godfather of crime. He just was and people competed for that throne.
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That’s some of the point though. The series isnt just criticising the society it created, but rather to reflect on the issues prevalent in IRL Japanese culture, this being one of them. And even if Shigaraki’s family still abused him, someone reaching out to help him would have done him a world of good. Kotaro was also only manipulated due to his hatred of heroes, a hatred that stems from his mother, but also from their
But he wasn’t. It’s made abundantly clear that if someone had reached out for him then he wouldn’t have gone the way he did. That’s why the kid at the end is important. His story is disturbingly close to Shigaraki but since someone reached out to him, he took a much different path.
The issue was that the advice she was given by her counselling was to bury down her feelings. She had only ever sucked blood from one animal (a dead sparrow) when she first manifested her quirk but her parents and doctors, rather than figure out a way to deal with her condition, decided to surprise her and call her a demon child (in a world where the rest of her classmates would be using their quirks all Willy nilly). Her parents aren’t even really the problem here, there is no support system in place for a quirk like Toga’s. At the same time though, the story never pretends that Toga wasn’t in control of her actions. She killed that old woman and assisted in the deaths of many more. Uraraka even says she can’t forgive her, in spite of her sympathy for her. And Toga knows that which is why she lets herself die, so she can live how she wants to for once. There’s sympathy for her but not forgiveness.
Moonfish is kinda irrelevant, as he exists at a point where we see the villains as just evil and he reflects that. And you can’t really put Toga and Moonfish into the same box because they are serial killers. Their personalities are completely different (one has a warped perception of love fuelled by the environment she grew up in, the other just seems to enjoy eating people). But even still, we see with characters like Muscular or Compress that they don’t all have greater motivations to do evil. Some people just decide to. But additionally, some can become good of their own volition. Gentle and Nagant are the biggest examples of this.
There are scenes earlier in the series of characters like Mt Lady getting annoyed at Kamui Woods reaching the top ten and not her, there’s her taking the spotlight from Woods (to his annoyance) in chapter 1, this is the entire basis of Stain’s philosophy. It’s a prominent theme in the early parts of the story that gets more noticeable each time you watch or read. Endeavour is just the most noticeable example since it’s what his character is built around (plus he’s the only one who actually believes he can surpass All Might).
That adds to my point, it’s this reliance on symbols, on being the strongest and best that quirk society (and maybe society in general) runs on. This causes discontent as everyone becomes each other’s enemy in an attempt to reach the top. Quirk society places a person’s value on how powerful their quirk is, which is why Bakugo was the way that he was. This same mindset affects the villains, it’s why Overhaul wanted to get rid of quirks so they could take the spotlight from the League and the heroes, and become the new driving force of society. There’s no official villain ranking, but there is a subconscious one deeply embedded into quirk society. Everyone is merely trying to surpass each other or achieve their own goals rather than help each other. Dabi is an interesting example of this, as his obsession with Enji ends up overtaking his bonds with the League, to the point that he was completely fine with nuking Toga.
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Dark might ship needs be scales ong it be a good featthey basing it off who they like better and shi like that
tldr: agenda lmao
also DM's ship is absolutely gigantic btw I heard someone got that shi to 600km
does this mean mha has opm sized cities?
ofc i dont think its valid but its funny to think about
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Deku’s scared cos he’s worried that he’ll one shot him just by breathing too hard btw
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"Excuse me sir"
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I do not remember a single instance of Gearshift being treated like this in the verse. It's a cool idea but not really how Gearshift functions in MHA.
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I used to be a diehard believer of this, until I realized we've seen this being disproven; when Shigaraki blasts Deku to Mount Fuji, and when Shigaraki used search to attack Deku through smokescreen. Both times Deku is clearly getting damaged with Gearshift activated. I still believe Gearshift should allow Deku to ignore durability completely.
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How so?
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Just by technicality, ignoring opposing forces such as friction, air resistance, etc should also include counterforces, like for instance, punching someone or something. The reason some materials are too hard to break through is because they give off more counterforce when hit than a weaker surface.
If you could ignore that, you'd be able to punch through anything with zero difficulty if im not mistaken. No one has ever been shown blocking an attack from Gearshift Deku, so it's up to personal opinion.
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Is that how it is treated within the verse? Also Shigaraki survives several blows from Gearshift Deku
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This should just mean shigaraki has the means to ignore that.. that doesnt really disprove it and its extremely believable he has the means to bypass it when he's literally the second strongest in the series + he has minor adaptability against certain problematic quirks and a giant arsenal so is it really hard to say shigaraki is simply the exception when it comes to that?
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Im going off what has been told about gearshift and what would be the side effects of ignoring the laws of inertia
and it has replicated some of the instances of the things that happen when ignoring inertia like accelerating instantly
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Shigaraki can regen. Deku never attacks his head directly, so Shigi just regenerates all the attacks.
I never said there was definitive proof Deku has dura neg, but it's 100% possible just from understanding the implications of ignoring inertia, and there's also not really any counter evidence.
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