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My Hero Academia Tomura Shigaraki Decay Resistance

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Would be pretty weird if Shigaraki himself doesn’t have resistance when he has never accidentally decayed himself with City sized decay waves

When Tenko Shimura first unlocked the Decay Quirk, it is clear that he cannot control what he can decay and accidentally kills his family



However, Tenko put both hands and all 10 fingers up to his face and didnt decay himself



Tenko is also dead center into the full aoe decay wave and it is shown that his mom got instantly decayed while Tenko himself is perfectly fine.

It is also shown that Tenko was wearing slippers before all of this



Yet afterwards it was shown his slippers got decayed yet the spread of the decay didnt affect Tenko himself



I propose that Tomura Shigaraki gets resistance to Deconstruction

Agree: @Bimbitesthedust @Machmatej @Grand_Astartes @GunshyFever @Shadowslaya! @57Dev @Kavopaco @1000TonsofFun @Xaropadob3ta @Anonymous_Learner @Kingofwolves999 @Arkansalter2 @Yanina92 @Robo432343 & @Damage3245 (Agrees with possible resistance), @Dalesean027, @RedReaper616 @AlphaOmegaV1 @Maverick_Zero_X

Disagree: @TheRustyOne
 
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Voidnether said:
Didn't shigaraki simply die cause he decayed himself in the end when he fought Deku?
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He died because of a multi continental punch bro

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I think you'd need to provide a reason that shows Tomura's Decay should work on himself for him to get Deconstruction resistance. Why assume that it's resistance instead of a mechanic of his Quirk? AFO gave Tomura a version of Overhaul that lacks the Reconstruction part.

We know Overhaul does work on the user, as Chisaki can deconstruct himself. However, Tomura's version of Overhaul clearly evolved due to his hatred in this moment. As Overhaul cannot spread to other objects like that. However, it does follow Tomura's will, even if he doesn't know it at that point. Decay isn't automatically activated, that's just AFO gaslighting. AFO gave him Decay before he handed him back to his mother, and it only started taking effect as his emotions grew later in the day.

Tomura's unconscious desire to destroy everything but himself could just be what is preventing Decay from working on himself. If he had a desire to kill himself or purposefully targeted himself, I don't see why it wouldn't work on him. Tomura believes Decay doesn't activate on himself, so the Quirk never does.

Overhaul doesn't need five fingers to activate, once again, AFO's gaslighting made Tomura believe that was the case, so that's how his Quirk worked. It wasn't until Tomura was under emotional stress when he used his Quirk in ways he didn't think was possible, like two finger Decay. We also know that Decay can selectively work on targets. Tomura saving some of the Near High-Ends despite his Decay affecting their capsule. So the idea he's just not targeting himself unconsciously is possible.

When Tomura destroys Deika City, we see that his Quirk does reflect back on himself if he overtaxes it. So Decay does works on him just fine in certain situations. I'll assume this happened because his power output of Decay surpassed his mental blocks, so it started to rebound on him.

Tomura's Decay is limited by his own feelings and AFO tricking him into thinking it works a certain way. The entire, his body itches cause he wants to destroy thing is all a big lie, since AFO had only given him Decay on the day Tomura killed his family. While his mother has been worried about his itching for months before hand.

Note, the imagine of Chisaki attempting to deconstruct Tomura but failing because he's resistant is pretty funny.

I don't agree with resistance here, but whatever. I'm not commenting back.
 
Damage3245 said:
The fact that Decay can selectively destroy things as pointed out by Rusty could simply mean that Tomura elected not to destroy himself.
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I feel like we are giving too much credit to the crying 5 year old with heavy emotions that also has zero control over the quirk to somehow being capable of purposely choosing to not decay himself.

It would make sense if it’s any other iteration of Shigaraki other than the one Shigaraki that just started using the quirk and cooked everything.

Like is there anything that suggests for that particular moment that he was either actively trying to not decay himself or that somehow his will/subconscious is not letting him decay himself

(I’m not able to make a proper response because i woke up in the middle of the night and im busy this week. I just want to remind everyone that this is the 5 year old that with zero control just started using it we’re talking about)
 
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I think you'd need to provide a reason that shows Tomura's Decay should work on himself for him to get Deconstruction resistance. Why assume that it's resistance instead of a mechanic of his Quirk? AFO gave Tomura a version of Overhaul that lacks the Reconstruction part.

We know Overhaul does work on the user, as Chisaki can deconstruct himself. However, Tomura's version of Overhaul clearly evolved due to his hatred in this moment. As Overhaul cannot spread to other objects like that. However, it does follow Tomura's will, even if he doesn't know it at that point. Decay isn't automatically activated, that's just AFO gaslighting. AFO gave him Decay before he handed him back to his mother, and it only started taking effect as his emotions grew later in the day.

Tomura's unconscious desire to destroy everything but himself could just be what is preventing Decay from working on himself. If he had a desire to kill himself or purposefully targeted himself, I don't see why it wouldn't work on him. Tomura believes Decay doesn't activate on himself, so the Quirk never does.

Overhaul doesn't need five fingers to activate, once again, AFO's gaslighting made Tomura believe that was the case, so that's how his Quirk worked. It wasn't until Tomura was under emotional stress when he used his Quirk in ways he didn't think was possible, like two finger Decay. We also know that Decay can selectively work on targets. Tomura saving some of the Near High-Ends despite his Decay affecting their capsule. So the idea he's just not targeting himself unconsciously is possible.

When Tomura destroys Deika City, we see that his Quirk does reflect back on himself if he overtaxes it. So Decay does works on him just fine in certain situations. I'll assume this happened because his power output of Decay surpassed his mental blocks, so it started to rebound on him.

Tomura's Decay is limited by his own feelings and AFO tricking him into thinking it works a certain way. The entire, his body itches cause he wants to destroy thing is all a big lie, since AFO had only given him Decay on the day Tomura killed his family. While his mother has been worried about his itching for months before hand.

Note, the imagine of Chisaki attempting to deconstruct Tomura but failing because he's resistant is pretty funny.

I don't agree with resistance here, but whatever. I'm not commenting back.
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I thought the same too, iirc other than Shigaraki deciding to decay himself (hence he turned into ash) cause I know he still survived the multi-continental punch. There also exist this limitation in which his quirk would work on him if he's being overworked on, that's why I found this weird anyway but I guess my knowledge on this verse isn't that cooked after all
 
There is no need to run your brain behind it that much.

In universe everyone with quirks have resistance to their own quirks if said quirks are primarily used for offence. Bakugo to explosion, Todoroki to heat and cold, Mina to acid etc.

As for it not being Shigaraki's orignal quirk, that doesn't matter because he got it at the time his quirk would manifest anyway giving his body ample time to adapt.

The question isn't about his own decay. Because either answer makes him resistant to immune. But rather others applying decay on him.

As for the damage during his first mass decay, let me debunk that right here.

The injury was not due to deacy. It were bruised muscles and heavy cuts on the skin. Likely due to the knockback of the ground exploding and his hands being right on the ground.

Decay didn't crumple the area, it was also exploding into smaller and smaller pieces releasing a lot of energy in wind and debris.

So said vibrations and sharp debris caused those injuries.
 
Voidnether said:
I thought the same too, iirc other than Shigaraki deciding to decay himself (hence he turned into ash) cause I know he still survived the multi-continental punch. There also exist this limitation in which his quirk would work on him if he's being overworked on, that's why I found this weird anyway but I guess my knowledge on this verse isn't that cooked after all
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iirc correctly he was just decaying the vestiges for his quirks, which in turn was damaging his body. He wasn't decaying his own body directly. it was soul damage.
 
Voidnether said:
I thought the same too, iirc other than Shigaraki deciding to decay himself (hence he turned into ash) cause I know he still survived the multi-continental punch. There also exist this limitation in which his quirk would work on him if he's being overworked on, that's why I found this weird anyway but I guess my knowledge on this verse isn't that cooked after all
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He didn’t survive the punch. He’s dead. His body was already decaying due to soul damage.
 
57Dev said:
There is no need to run your brain behind it that much.

In universe everyone with quirks have resistance to their own quirks if said quirks are primarily used for offence. Bakugo to explosion, Todoroki to heat and cold, Mina to acid etc.

As for it not being Shigaraki's orignal quirk, that doesn't matter because he got it at the time his quirk would manifest anyway giving his body ample time to adapt.

The question isn't about his own decay. Because either answer makes him resistant to immune. But rather others applying decay on him.

As for the damage during his first mass decay, let me debunk that right here.

The injury was not due to deacy. It were bruised muscles and heavy cuts on the skin. Likely due to the knockback of the ground exploding and his hands being right on the ground.

Decay didn't crumple the area, it was also exploding into smaller and smaller pieces releasing a lot of energy in wind and debris.

So said vibrations and sharp debris caused those injuries.
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Dalesean027 said:
Disagree for reasons Rusty and Damage have said above
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I’m still pretty confused on the reason. If a emotional distress child uses a new superpower and sees it instantly obliterating his sister and dog, why would the first thing he would think is that he is capable of removing himself from the equation to not be subjected to the effects of decay. If anything, he would think that anything he touches would get obliterated, including himself. Anything else would imply he had control over a quirk that he just started using, and it shows because he went rampage with that quirk.
 
honestly, that's my thoughts.
Shigiraki wouldn't be immune or anything but should 100% be greatly resistant to it due to him as a child emotionally distressed and having no reason to control his quirk in any capacity atp not decaying
Shigaraki vs. Overhaul rematch 'bout to be real hilarious if this goes through
 
Attempting to extrapolate anything further from Shigaraki not decaying himself as a child fully touching his own face is wild ngl. Yes, Shigaraki as an adult after awakening to his full power can choose what to Decay, but a crying child who just awoke to the power and has no idea what it is, how it works or even what is happening is not controlling it. There shouldn’t be any willpower or spiritual or mental barrier not making him decay himself or not having it attempt to activate on himself.

The body adapts to the Quirk it has, so clearly his body has changed to accommodate Decay. That should include a resistance to it, same way Todoroki and Bakugo resist heat. Quirks are physical, biological processes, if he didn’t have a resistance to it he would be dead from touching his body or by having decaying debris or corpses touching him.

Agree for resistance, it should be absurdly clear. The logic of him controlling it to not target himself is faulty imo.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Agree for resistance, it should be absurdly clear. The logic of him controlling it to not target himself is faulty imo.
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Yeah it was extremely sus to say that the 5 year old emotionally distress child with zero control over a quirk that he literally just now used is somehow magically capable of purposely preventing decay from targeting himself.
 
For any new staffs that are coming in or staffs that have already voted. Can you ask yourselves this. If you unlock a new power and accidentally obliterate your own sister and dog with 1 touch, is the first thing you would be thinking is that you yourself is immune to that power or that you would be capable of preventing that power from targeting yourselves.

Now put it into the perspective of a 5 year old crying Tenko.
 
Nobody is arguing that Tenko consciously thought through it like that; he wasn't even aware he had a Quirk when he was a child.

But I think it's questionable to extrapolate from this that if somebody else also possessed the Decay Quirk and they attacked Tenko with it that nothing at all would happen to his body. Decay not spreading to his own body automatically doesn't mean that Tenko is unaffected by Deconstruction in general. It's one thing to say that his own Quirk doesn't target himself; it's another to say that Deconstruction can't hurt him.
 
Damage3245 said:
Nobody is arguing that Tenko consciously thought through it like that; he wasn't even aware he had a Quirk when he was a child.

But I think it's questionable to extrapolate from this that if somebody else also possessed the Decay Quirk and they attacked Tenko with it that nothing at all would happen to his body. Decay not spreading to his own body automatically doesn't mean that Tenko is unaffected by Deconstruction in general. It's one thing to say that his own Quirk doesn't target himself; it's another to say that Deconstruction can't hurt him.
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If someone had the Decay quirk then yes, it should not work against him if he also has it, at least not to a greater extent.

The quirk is clearly different from Overhaul’s usage of it, as he can destroy and remake himself at will. Shigaraki only has an altered version of it that just destroys. Why would AFO not ensure that, to offset not being able to restore himself, that the Quirk wouldn’t result in a form of biological defense? That just doesn’t seem smart for him to program a super death Quirk without the user avoiding the consequences accidentally. I feel it is far more likely that the Quirk is programmed to make Shigaraki resistant to its effects than it is that AFO programmed a special fail safe that makes it specifically never target Tenko even if he has no control over it at all. The only way he could even ensure that would work would be if his Vestige was already within Tenko at a young age to control the power but it wasn’t.

Tenko directly touches himself when he first awakens the ability, multiple times, and he makes contact with currently decaying materials multiple times. In either of these instances, he cannot have any control over himself being affected, and in fact, until MVA, he never even realizes he can control what he decays. He only even masters controlling it Post-Surgery.

No one is saying he is immune to being deconstructed or any of the effects Decay has. I am saying that he has a resistance to his brand of deconstruction on a biological level. Because regardless of whether it is deconstruction specifically or not, given how altered the Overhaul Quirk was to result in Decay, it is Tenko’s quirk since nearly his birth and he would have a resistance to its effects unless stated or shown otherwise.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
If someone had the Decay quirk then yes, it should not work against him if he also has it, at least not to a greater extent.

The quirk is clearly different from Overhaul’s usage of it, as he can destroy and remake himself at will. Shigaraki only has an altered version of it that just destroys. Why would AFO not ensure that, to offset not being able to restore himself, that the Quirk wouldn’t result in a form of biological defense? That just doesn’t seem smart for him to program a super death Quirk without the user avoiding the consequences accidentally. I feel it is far more likely that the Quirk is programmed to make Shigaraki resistant to its effects than it is that AFO programmed a special fail safe that makes it specifically never target Tenko even if he has no control over it at all. The only way he could even ensure that would work would be if his Vestige was already within Tenko at a young age to control the power but it wasn’t.

Tenko directly touches himself when he first awakens the ability, multiple times, and he makes contact with currently decaying materials multiple times. In either of these instances, he cannot have any control over himself being affected, and in fact, until MVA, he never even realizes he can control what he decays. He only even masters controlling it Post-Surgery.

No one is saying he is immune to being deconstructed or any of the effects Decay has. I am saying that he has a resistance to his brand of deconstruction on a biological level. Because regardless of whether it is deconstruction specifically or not, given how altered the Overhaul Quirk was to result in Decay, it is Tenko’s quirk since nearly his birth and he would have a resistance to its effects unless stated or shown otherwise.
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Is there a list of the amount of MHA characters that has a biological resistance against their own quirk because it’d be pretty weird if Shigaraki is like the only dude who is somehow exempt from this instead of just having a biological defense against his own quirk
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
The quirk is clearly different from Overhaul’s usage of it, as he can destroy and remake himself at will. Shigaraki only has an altered version of it that just destroys. Why would AFO not ensure that, to offset not being able to restore himself, that the Quirk wouldn’t result in a form of biological defense?
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So you're saying All For One specifically added in a Resistance to Decay factor into the Quirk before he gave it to Tomura? Is that actually indicated in the manga or is that a speculation as for why Tomura doesn't decay himself?
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Is there a list of the amount of MHA characters that has a biological resistance against their own quirk because it’d be pretty weird if Shigaraki is like the only dude who is somehow exempt from this instead of just having a biological defense against his own quirk
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the only other one would be dabi, but even he should have some level of heat resistance, given that he somehow survived getting burned to almost nothing, and can continuously burn himself while fighting. so having no resistance to your quirk is practically unheard of.
 
Machmatej said:
the only other one would be dabi, but even he should have some level of heat resistance, given that he somehow survived getting burned to almost nothing, and can continuously burn himself while fighting. so having no resistance to your quirk is practically unheard of.
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So basically Shigaraki is resistant to his own quirk like every other mha character having a biological resistance to their own quirk, or Shigaraki is magically exempt from this rule just because yes
 
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