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Hello and in first i'm sorry if this hard to understand since i'm not really that good in English but i want to know from where this quote came from?
"The Mystic Eyes of Death Perception are useless against beings who do not possess a concept of death."
- Since we know that the mystic eyes of death allow to perceive the advanced line of death who are higher than the normal concept of death so above it. (and since we know that the line of death are the concept of death from the Root, it's show that we have at least two different level of concept of death in nasuverse. The one from the root and the normal one (surely the one from the earth like how Note explain it)
荒耶が埋め込んでい仏舎利に後れを取ったのは、アレが”いきながら入滅した”覚者のものだから。死の線で殺すには、通常の死の概念よりなん段階も高度な”死の線”を読み解かなければならない
"The reason why Araya is lagging behind the Buddha Sarari that is embedded is because it belongs to the enlightened person who went into extermination while he was alive".To kill it by the lines of death means she has to decipher advanced "lines of death" levels higher than the normal concept of death. " - TYPE-MOON Fes. Official Pamphlet 10th Anniversary Q & A Booklet
- So except if now we tell that Type have no higher level concept of death (who is tell nowhere since just tell to not have the one from earth since their don't follow the law/concept of earth) or that Tiamat don't have it too where it's not tell (we just know that she doesn't have concept of death but can be just the normal one so advanced line of death would still allow to see the one from the root) this description should not exist
- We can tell that tohno shiki wouldn't be able to kill them because he can't see the advanced line of death nor be able to see the lines of thing can not be perceived on things that can't be killed (destroyed) in the current world (like Type or Night of the Wallachia)
"He cannot see lines on things that are unable to be killed or destroyed in the current world because the standard for Shiki, as a human, is based on the limits of the people of his era." - TSUKIHIME Dictionary: Mystic Eyes of Death Perception [Unusual talent], p.184
- But for shiki is show that with effort she will be able to see them and araya tell that she will be able to cut it down too because even if it not have the normal concept of death it have a function and a cause. And he notes that she can cut off the root of motion on anything alive or dead as long as it has that motion, even thing like his arm that don't have the normal concept of death.
"Strongly, harder than she had ever done before, Shiki glares at the man. Her brain may have overheated, because she observed the opponent till a portion of her consciousness went white, only then could she see it. ... In the centre of his body, she can see a hole in the middle of his chest. Going round and round like some child's scribbling the line is drawing a circle at one point. That might explain why it looks like a dot." - Kara no Kyoukai Paradox Spiral.
"Indeed, I was foolish. I should have had all the proof I needed after the events at the hospital. Whether it is dead or alive, if it moves you cut off the root of that motion. That is your ability. Even if I am a stopped organism, as long I exist like this there is a thread that permits my existence. If that is cut I would definitely die. The unique exception is this left arm, but even that can't be hidden forever. No matter which saint's bone it is as long as it functions there will always be a cause for that movement." - Kara no Kyoukai Paradox Spiral
- And we can't use the thing of her not being able to see the death in archetype earth in her since she was still talking about being able to take her down and that we know that she can't actively see the advanced line of death if she don't try hard enough to let her conscious go praticaly white + we know that the line of death of a people that the user don't understand is not visible (so it's not a limitation of the eyes but of the user like what shiki see depend on what she considere alive and that view can change in measure of her understanding more thing)
"In order to see the Lines of Death of minerals or Concepts, she either has to become minerals, or use her brain and tap into her "imagination".
In summary, the end (lines) of an existence that humans cannot comprehend is not visible." - Kara no Kyoukai Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Line of Death [Others], p.032
"For Shiki [Ryougi], if the opponent can be recognized as "living" (not "life", but "live"), she can see the lines of death. For example, the ghosts in Overlooking View were dead, but they were "living" in the sense that they can interfere with the current world." - TYPE-MOON Fes. Official Pamphlet 10th Anniversary Q & A Booklet:
All of that to tell that it's not a limitation of the power but of the user, so don't have to tell that the mystic eyes is useless against being with no concept of death.
"The Mystic Eyes of Death Perception are useless against beings who do not possess a concept of death."
- Since we know that the mystic eyes of death allow to perceive the advanced line of death who are higher than the normal concept of death so above it. (and since we know that the line of death are the concept of death from the Root, it's show that we have at least two different level of concept of death in nasuverse. The one from the root and the normal one (surely the one from the earth like how Note explain it)
荒耶が埋め込んでい仏舎利に後れを取ったのは、アレが”いきながら入滅した”覚者のものだから。死の線で殺すには、通常の死の概念よりなん段階も高度な”死の線”を読み解かなければならない
"The reason why Araya is lagging behind the Buddha Sarari that is embedded is because it belongs to the enlightened person who went into extermination while he was alive".To kill it by the lines of death means she has to decipher advanced "lines of death" levels higher than the normal concept of death. " - TYPE-MOON Fes. Official Pamphlet 10th Anniversary Q & A Booklet
- So except if now we tell that Type have no higher level concept of death (who is tell nowhere since just tell to not have the one from earth since their don't follow the law/concept of earth) or that Tiamat don't have it too where it's not tell (we just know that she doesn't have concept of death but can be just the normal one so advanced line of death would still allow to see the one from the root) this description should not exist
- We can tell that tohno shiki wouldn't be able to kill them because he can't see the advanced line of death nor be able to see the lines of thing can not be perceived on things that can't be killed (destroyed) in the current world (like Type or Night of the Wallachia)
"He cannot see lines on things that are unable to be killed or destroyed in the current world because the standard for Shiki, as a human, is based on the limits of the people of his era." - TSUKIHIME Dictionary: Mystic Eyes of Death Perception [Unusual talent], p.184
- But for shiki is show that with effort she will be able to see them and araya tell that she will be able to cut it down too because even if it not have the normal concept of death it have a function and a cause. And he notes that she can cut off the root of motion on anything alive or dead as long as it has that motion, even thing like his arm that don't have the normal concept of death.
- She too doesn't show/be tell to have the limitation of tohno that show that he cannot see lines on things that are unable to be killed or destroyed in the current world because the standard for Shiki, as a human, is based on the limits of the people of his era.
- So she should be able to perma kill Night of whallachia, even more when she specialised in killing concept when shiki tohno can only kill part of nature/concept in a restricted area
"Strongly, harder than she had ever done before, Shiki glares at the man. Her brain may have overheated, because she observed the opponent till a portion of her consciousness went white, only then could she see it. ... In the centre of his body, she can see a hole in the middle of his chest. Going round and round like some child's scribbling the line is drawing a circle at one point. That might explain why it looks like a dot." - Kara no Kyoukai Paradox Spiral.
"Indeed, I was foolish. I should have had all the proof I needed after the events at the hospital. Whether it is dead or alive, if it moves you cut off the root of that motion. That is your ability. Even if I am a stopped organism, as long I exist like this there is a thread that permits my existence. If that is cut I would definitely die. The unique exception is this left arm, but even that can't be hidden forever. No matter which saint's bone it is as long as it functions there will always be a cause for that movement." - Kara no Kyoukai Paradox Spiral
- And we can't use the thing of her not being able to see the death in archetype earth in her since she was still talking about being able to take her down and that we know that she can't actively see the advanced line of death if she don't try hard enough to let her conscious go praticaly white + we know that the line of death of a people that the user don't understand is not visible (so it's not a limitation of the eyes but of the user like what shiki see depend on what she considere alive and that view can change in measure of her understanding more thing)
"In order to see the Lines of Death of minerals or Concepts, she either has to become minerals, or use her brain and tap into her "imagination".
In summary, the end (lines) of an existence that humans cannot comprehend is not visible." - Kara no Kyoukai Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Line of Death [Others], p.032
"For Shiki [Ryougi], if the opponent can be recognized as "living" (not "life", but "live"), she can see the lines of death. For example, the ghosts in Overlooking View were dead, but they were "living" in the sense that they can interfere with the current world." - TYPE-MOON Fes. Official Pamphlet 10th Anniversary Q & A Booklet:
All of that to tell that it's not a limitation of the power but of the user, so don't have to tell that the mystic eyes is useless against being with no concept of death.
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