N.U.N.Spacy (Macross Series) vs Warhammer 40K civilizations

[Yamatohime]

If somehow N.U.N.Spacy (after Macross F) ended up in WH40K universe, could they establish their own civilization at one sector? N.U.N.S. has all their fleets and alien allies including several Zentradi fleets, Protodevlin and Vajra. Sound Energy protects them from Psykers and Chaos corruption. All their technology mass available for them to use.

How they will fare in space and ground battles vs WH40K civilizations?

Scenario 1: Heroes are not allowed. Protodevlins are not allowed.

Scenario 2: Heroes allowed. Protodevlins allowed.

 

[RavenSupreme]

i lack knowledge of the macross series and need someone to provide some feats for them (i heard something about lifewiping a galaxy?)

however you have not restricted the warhammer franchise to only the imperium of man or a specific timelime so i take it the chaos, tau, eldar, dark eldar, ork, necron, the elder, ctan and pretty much every available civilization up to date are facing them at once?

because even in r1 exlucding heroes (like chaos gods, gork and mork, the geom, ulthwe etc.) still leaves the verse with incredible powerful beings, capable of traveling the stars by themself with haxed abilities and whatnot (i can evaluate this later if necessary)

i would like to have some input for MS before making a final vote but a quick googling did not gave me something which is > the entire w40k verse

 

[Yamatohime]

N.U.N.S. are not realy strong to wage offensive wars vs majority of civilizations but their allies can allow them defensive aproach.

Protodevlins are Super-Dimensional life-forms that brainwashed large part of Protoculture who were hegemons of Milky Way and waged war for centuries against Protoculture. In the end those several Protodevlins (less than ten) mananged to crush Protoculture Galactic Civilization but were sealed in the last resort mission by Protoculture elite force via Sound Energy. If seriously agitated some of protodevlins can life-wipe entire Milky Way in a week time period.

Vajra are arguably Super-Dimensional life-forms with extremely good reactive evolution who became immune to N.U.N.S. standard Super-Dimensional and Reaction (M/AM) weaponry. Can travel almost instantly across Galaxy and deploy billions of troops if needed. All Protoculture technology (and partialy N.U.N.S.) are based or imitate Vajra. Even N.U.N.S. DE technology can't penetrate through Vajra Queen Super-Dimensional shield.

N.U.N.S. high end weapon technology is Dimension Eater technology. It create disturbance in real space and sends those unluck enough in radius into Super-Dimension... Forcefuly (probably atomizing in the process of "transportation"). Anti-Ship missiles can create 50 km radius "explosion" and Anti-Celestial Bodies can remove Earth-type planet if placed inside the core. N.U.N.S. developed MicroDE technology that add the same effect on their beam weaponry and normal ammunition to bypass Vajra force-shielding evolution.

Zentradi Grand fleet usualy has around 5 millions of ships. Most of them supperior to humanity Macross class. They can be upgraded by N.U.N.S.

N.U.N.S. Shield Technology is BAD. They can't protect their ships from their own weaponry. The FTL technology is 1,5-6 ly per minutre. Their normal battle speed is AWFUL though - Macross classes (the best equiped) can accelerate around 1000 g (if you throw manuals into oven) but safe accel is probably 20-25 g.

 

[RavenSupreme]

alright thanks for the reply. given the intel provide i have to stick with my initial opinion - especially taking into account the probable sheer number difference

 

[Yamatohime]

I actualy doubt that IoM would commence pincer attack with Chaos... And others. Though.

 

[TakCWAL]

Since there are no rules against providing additional information...

"N.U.N.S. high end weapon technology is Dimension Eater technology. It create disturbance in real space and sends those unluck enough in radius into Super-Dimension... Forcefuly (probably atomizing in the process of "transportation"). Anti-Ship missiles can create 50 km radius "explosion" and Anti-Celestial Bodies can remove Earth-type planet if placed inside the core. N.U.N.S. developed MicroDE technology that add the same effect on their beam weaponry and normal ammunition to bypass Vajra force-shielding evolution."

Technical manuals supplementing Macross Frontier stated that individual ammunition, missiles and anti-ship warheads were loaded with Dimension weaponry near the end of the Vajra War. The yield of MDEs were restricted for obvious reasons, since collateral damage would become a serious issue when non-combatant vessels were present. However, without the confinements of collateral damage, the yield could be increased. Keep in mind the ramshackle of a 'device' detonated by Grace that ate a planet in Frontier was only around 6 feet tall.

"Zentradi Grand fleet usualy has around 5 millions of ships. Most of them supperior to humanity Macross class. They can be upgraded by N.U.N.S"

One single Zentradi fleet is more or less 5 million strong, carrying with them an excess of 7,500,000,000 personnel. However, that is just one fleet. According to Exedol Folmo in Super Dimension Fortress Macross, there were more than 4,000 of such fleets in operation, with more in production. Presumably most are still fighting the Supervision Army.

"N.U.N.S. Shield Technology is BAD. They can't protect their ships from their own weaponry."

Most armor cannot protect against weapons desisnged against it.

"The FTL technology is 1,5-6 ly per minutre."

This may be true in the first Super Dimension Fortress Macross due to humanity's initiation with OverTechnology.

This is no longer the case, especially after Frontier, human FTL technology can now realiably travel across the galaxy within just hours.

"Their normal battle speed is AWFUL though - Macross classes (the best equiped) can accelerate around 1000 g (if you throw manuals into oven) but safe accel is probably 20-25 g."

Macross class ships are flagships, not the fastest.

 

[Freedom4651]

NUNS in milkyway 40k? You can count their survival in matter of days, if not months. Even with all of those invasion fleets which showed up in the series, they're like a speck of dust compared to Imperial Navy. That's not counting other xenos and chaos forces. But if we talk about Protoculture, they can become another major xeno race in 40k, with space fleets with count of billions ships, they're like Imperium's IG but GIANTs, CLONED! While we haven't seen any of Protoculture ships are equipped with planet buster weaponry, they can still have option of bombarding the hell of a planet with millions of ships firing whatever they got under their sleeves. Even a clash between Protoculture and Tyranids will be very interesting to see Zentraedi clones wrestling Carnifexes.

 

[TakCWAL]

"they're like a speck of dust compared to Imperial Navy"

Nobody knows how large the Imperial Navy is numerically, but an Imperial Battle Fleet tend to consist 50 ~ 75 ships roughly. For comparison, a Macross colonial fleet in 7 consisted roughly 200 ships, and Macross Frontier is at least 10 times that number.

"While we haven't seen any of Protoculture ships are equipped with planet buster weaponry, they can still have option of bombarding the hell of a planet with millions of ships firing whatever they got under their sleeves"

More like a dozen and in about a minute.

The Zentradi does not need millions of ships to decimate a planet. People who preceived it such should really rewatch the 10 episodes prior to that taking place to get a better understanding as to why Boddole Zer did what he did.

"But if we talk about Protoculture, they can become another major xeno race in 40k, with space fleets with count of billions ships"

You might be surprised to find out that the Zentradi were being phased out as a weapon during Protoculture's Civil War, as they were gradually being replaced by a new series of bio-weapons known as the Ehvil series, who were responsible for the death of the Milky Way until they were forcefully sealed. After reseeding the Milky Way, the Protoculture themselves phased out of existence. Unfortunately, their weapon systems remained plenty active.

Then there is the Yurva Arga, which is powerful enough to rewrite history, but fortunately for everyone, it's asleep.

"Even a clash between Protoculture and Tyranids will be very interesting to see Zentraedi clones wrestling Carnifexes"

Imagine a Hive Fleet being zerg-rushed... heh...