Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Samlex1234]

Yes I’m saying stop being a baby because I too was once a whiny baby, but I stopped being one.

Challenging a flawed system does not equate to whiny, you certain did that calling out VS wiki on it lack of consistency, which is not a bad thing. When I do the same thing stop trying to make me look bad you hypocrite. Let me refresh your memory you hypocrite remember this CRT you created simply to ask for consistency?

Kaguya’s ETSO

It is as it causes no issues when it doesnt scale to anyone but itself. Not relevant at all to the accuracy of the rating. Gross false equivalence. The bleach realms have absolutely never been assumed as being some transparent space-times like you are suggesting Kaguyas here, for whatever...

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This used to exist before at a point​

Bleach Rules​

• Do not create discussion threads trying to upgrade Yhwach to 3-A or Low 2-C for attempting to destroy the Soul Society and the Living World until new canon information is released. These terms have been accepted to refer to the planets in said context, and the topic has been extensively discussed many times.

Naruto rules

• Please refrain from attempting to upgrade Momoshiki and Kinshiki above Kaguya based on Sasuke's statement. It was decided that Sasuke was not a reliable source of information regarding Momoshiki's and Kinshiki's powers, since he never faced both until some chapters later. It's also concluded that the statements of "greater threat" and Kaguya fearing them are not enough to make Momoshiki stronger than her, considering the context of her past, and the power-ups that she received during the 1000 years she was on Earth. She also feared three Otsutsuki at the same time, and not only one. The feats displayed are also inconsistent with this scaling, since Momoshiki fought and had trouble with SPSM Naruto after having his chakra drained for a long period of time, and Sasuke, who was low on chakra by using portals, while Kaguya fought and easily overpowered both Naruto and Sasuke at peak condition. This topic has been brought up several times during a brief period of time, and the staff and regular members are tired of dealing with the subject.

For most of this rules we did not get new evidence. How did they get passed initially then?. Well popularity? This is my point of contention,

No rule should get passed due to popularity alone; it must be grounded in sound reasoning and an understanding of its potential impact on the community it serves. Popularity alone leads to hasty decisions that overlook important nuances, fairness, and long-term consequences, ultimately undermining the integrity and effectiveness of governance in this case the leaders or Mods of VS Battle wiki.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No rule should get passed due to popularity alone

No rule is passed due to popular vote alone. Argumentation has to be made to convince the judges to vote in favor of a rule. It’s not a “oh majority like this” it’s an “oh the majority were convinced by this argumentation”. You’re equating “I disagree with this” to “it’s not grounded in anything”.

 

[Kayzz]

What in the conspiracy theories...

Chill, Shibai is outerversal

 

[Samlex1234]

No rule is passed due to popular vote alone. Argumentation has to be made to convince the judges to vote in favor of a rule. It’s not a “oh majority like this” it’s an “oh the majority were convinced by this argumentation”. You’re equating “I disagree with this” to “it’s not grounded in anything”.

Imagine someone creates a CRT and claims that Naruto is equivalent to Shaquille O’Neal, citing as evidence that Shaq once said he loves Naruto. This argument is clearly absurd.

Then, you see the mods responding with, “I agree, I agree, I agree.”

But what exactly are they agreeing with? The evidence presented is fundamentally flawed. I’ve provided counter-evidence, yet no one has engaged with it. As a result, the CRT gets approved based on popularity rather than sound reasoning.
This situation is even worse when there’s a discussion rule in place. A discussion prevent constructive debate by disallowing CRTs that challenge flawed notions. People are not crazy or dense when they tackle a faulty foundation. It is faulty it has to be fixed.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

once some of the bunches of etso threads get closed I’ll be dropping a meaty thread until then I don’t want to spam staff with threads so we wait

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Kakashi Intercepts False Darkness Recalc

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Btw, if this calc is accepted, god tier will be 31.8c

Interesting

 

[ssgengar]

Creating a Welcoming Space for Naruto and Boruto Fans on the Wiki

Now is the time to unite and protest. If this rule gets passed, I guarantee it will be years before any meaningful change can happen. It grants the mods the power to shut down CRTs at will, regardless of whether they’re right or wrong.

I’ve seen this play out before. When I first joined VS Battles Wiki years ago, there was a terrible discussion rule in place. Every time I raised a CRT against it, they kept shutting me down. It took years of persistence, but that rule was finally overturned this year—proving it had been flawed all along for over four years.

Back then, they tried to paint me as irrational—“Oh, he’s just screaming bias”—but the reality was the discussion itself was flawed. The rule passed, not because it was right, but due to popularity—classic textbook ad populum fallacy.

Kaguya's ETSO The Final Chapter: Part 1, Episode 2

Yeah we need to talk about this jutsu, There has been a spike in the amount of conversation surrounding this jutsu in recent months and it has been a pretty controversial topic for the past 10 years since it was shown in the manga that everyone and their mother has a different opinion about...

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[karo_senpaii]

Challenging a flawed system does not equate to whiny, you certain did that calling out VS wiki on it lack of consistency, which is not a bad thing. When I do the same thing stop trying to make me look bad you hypocrite. Let me refresh your memory you hypocrite remember this CRT you created simply to ask for consistency?

Kaguya’s ETSO

It is as it causes no issues when it doesnt scale to anyone but itself. Not relevant at all to the accuracy of the rating. Gross false equivalence. The bleach realms have absolutely never been assumed as being some transparent space-times like you are suggesting Kaguyas here, for whatever...

vsbattles.com

This used to exist before at a point​

Bleach Rules​

• Do not create discussion threads trying to upgrade Yhwach to 3-A or Low 2-C for attempting to destroy the Soul Society and the Living World until new canon information is released. These terms have been accepted to refer to the planets in said context, and the topic has been extensively discussed many times.

Naruto rules

• Please refrain from attempting to upgrade Momoshiki and Kinshiki above Kaguya based on Sasuke's statement. It was decided that Sasuke was not a reliable source of information regarding Momoshiki's and Kinshiki's powers, since he never faced both until some chapters later. It's also concluded that the statements of "greater threat" and Kaguya fearing them are not enough to make Momoshiki stronger than her, considering the context of her past, and the power-ups that she received during the 1000 years she was on Earth. She also feared three Otsutsuki at the same time, and not only one. The feats displayed are also inconsistent with this scaling, since Momoshiki fought and had trouble with SPSM Naruto after having his chakra drained for a long period of time, and Sasuke, who was low on chakra by using portals, while Kaguya fought and easily overpowered both Naruto and Sasuke at peak condition. This topic has been brought up several times during a brief period of time, and the staff and regular members are tired of dealing with the subject.

For most of this rules we did not get new evidence. How did they get passed initially then?. Well popularity? This is my point of contention,

No rule should get passed due to popularity alone; it must be grounded in sound reasoning and an understanding of its potential impact on the community it serves. Popularity alone leads to hasty decisions that overlook important nuances, fairness, and long-term consequences, ultimately undermining the integrity and effectiveness of governance in this case the leaders or Mods of VS Battle wiki.

Bleach is a ridiculously bad comparison..they literally had to bring out a new anime with fresh canon information for their GT to reach tier 4 and 3 levels. Even when that rule was removed all it did was ED for the longest time before TYBW came out.

 

[sageof8paths]

Kakashi Intercepts False Darkness Recalc

vsbattles.fandom.com

Btw, if this calc is accepted, god tier will be 31.8c

I actually have a calc of sasuke blitzing the light of the infinite tsukoyomi before it reaches Naruto around 30c as well

 

[Samlex1234]

once some of the bunches of etso threads get closed I’ll be dropping a meaty thread until then I don’t want to spam staff with threads so we wait

For a person who believes the verse is hard capped at 5b what good do you want to offer it?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

For a person who believes the verse is hard capped at 5b what good do you want to offer it?

What a profoundly asinine mindset...

 

[MinatoSparkle]

For a person who believes the verse is hard capped at 5b what good do you want to offer it?

Pretty sure this is about 6T Naruto's Bijuudama so 5-B is irrelevant either way

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

For a person who believes the verse is hard capped at 5b what good do you want to offer it?

“LOL” ~ Nierre

 

[karo_senpaii]

Y'all are acting like things that are extremely debatable and controversial are some irrefutable objective truth when they're really not.

An objective fact would be something like "Orochimaru is a class above Part I Kakashi" or "Hashirama defeated Madara at the Final Valley". Those are objective truths, which is why nobody argues about them.

The ETSB scaling to physicals, however, is not. Which is why it's been heavily debated for a decade.
And much like any debatable subject, the majority gravitates towards the better constructed argument.
Instead of crying bias, maybe just acknowledge the fact that the arguments made for y'all's side have been historically doodoo and just..... like, make better ones? If something has NEVER once worked, maybe it's time to take a step back and reevaluate the approach?
Not everything is some grand conspiracy.

This is fine but i still feel the old discussion rule is the best.
"Till new info comes out on etso" that phrase happening is closer to zero than one. The main series ended and the spin off barely talks about kaguya. If they ever talk about ETSO directly or indirectly it's to maybe compare it to another jutsu which frankly seems even less likely as the manga focuses less on jutsu than ever. So like that's as close to "never talk about it" as it gets. I've been on this wiki for líke 2years now and ETSO scaling over physicals has never been something spammed tbh. The rule worked fine. If you see the few threads created this year It was by fresh new members and so poorly done you could call it a troll.
The MAS arguments i thought were kinda cool and it wasn't the usual "kaguya physicals scale bla bla bla".

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Pretty sure this is about 6T Naruto's Bijuudama so 5-B is irrelevant either way

It's not.

 

[Samlex1234]

What a profoundly asinine mindset...

Here comes the defender.

 

[Sasukesama0492]

When will Shibai's profile be finished?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

When will Shibai's profile be finished?

Funny enough once I get my thread out, the Shibai thread from Deceived is next. My thread is all typed out, I’m just waiting for some threads to close up as to not crowd the staff’s time.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It's not.

My Prescience is still unrefined

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Till we get more information on him. Lest these bleachtards destroy his profile with trash.

Facts if you like Bleach you cannot do anything good for Naruto

 

[karo_senpaii]

Facts if you like Bleach you cannot do anything good for Naruto

Shibai won't be useable in vs matches right? Coz like no context on how he fights

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Just cuz we don’t see a character fight doesn’t mean we cannot infer likely ways they would fight. You’d just have to more diligently argue why Shibai would do X.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Shibai won't be useable in vs matches right? Coz like no context on how he fights

By that logic, Hagoromo wouldn't be usable. We can make logical inferences based on the info we have and how characters with similar abilities utilized them.

 

[karo_senpaii]

By that logic, Hagoromo wouldn't be usable. We can make logical inferences based on the info we have and how characters with similar abilities utilized them.

I know but like in matches where the first move kinda determines the match he'd be really tricky to use

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I know but like in matches where the first move kinda determines the match he'd be really tricky to use

For sure, that’s just one of the downsides of not seeing him fight for the time being.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I know but like in matches where the first move kinda determines the match he'd be really tricky to use

Y'all just need to step up your goon game

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[Testarossa002]

For a person who believes the verse is hard capped at 5b what good do you want to offer it?

Hate to sound like a privileged mf but this is such a ridiculous question to ask.
It may suprise you to find out but the verse is bigger than Kaguya and her extended family.
There's Lifting strength to fix, profiles that are outdated, mid tiers speed revision, bunch of haxes addition for some characters etc. All of which are good things for the verse.
Hell, Ant was here a couple of days ago finding people to fix broken imgur links accross the verse. I don't see YOU volunteering to help.
Boruto's anime Canon was upgraded lately (not by YOU) and I don't see YOU suggesting possible changes.
It's always talks about the same thing that affects a dozen or so characters at most.
Fix up

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bloodlust Shibai ftw

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Hate to sound like a privileged mf but this is such a ridiculous question to ask.
It may suprise you to find out but the verse is bigger than Kaguya and her extended family.
There's Lifting strength to fix, profiles that are outdated, mid tiers speed revision, bunch of haxes addition for some characters etc. All of which are good things for the verse.
Hell, Ant was here a couple of days ago finding people to fix broken imgur links accross the verse. I don't see YOU volunteering to help.
Boruto's anime Canon was upgraded lately (not by YOU) and I don't see YOU suggesting possible changes.
It's always talks about the same thing that affects a dozen or so characters at most.
Fix up

Yeah, I spent hundreds of hours of my precious time trying to fix various aspects of the verse. But I never made an ETSB thread, so clearly I don't give a shit about the verse....

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

powerscaling only matters with the bigga booba numbers

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'm generally a proponent of Tier 4 Naruto (prolly not 4-B tho), but honestly mid-high tier scaling is just more interesting icl

 

[karo_senpaii]

Hate to sound like a privileged mf but this is such a ridiculous question to ask.
It may suprise you to find out but the verse is bigger than Kaguya and her extended family.
There's Lifting strength to fix, profiles that are outdated, mid tiers speed revision, bunch of haxes addition for some characters etc. All of which are good things for the verse.
Hell, Ant was here a couple of days ago finding people to fix broken imgur links accross the verse. I don't see YOU volunteering to help.
Boruto's anime Canon was upgraded lately (not by YOU) and I don't see YOU suggesting possible changes.
It's always talks about the same thing that affects a dozen or so characters at most.
Fix up

Kaguya and her extended family is so funny

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

powerscaling only matters with the bigga booba

 

[karo_senpaii]

I need a lesson on how to really make calcs. Like specifically pixelling tbh

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

There’s a vsbw page for that

 

[Stryker861]

I need a lesson on how to really make calcs. Like specifically pixelling

You can download paint.net and then read basic calcs to get an idea

 

[Testarossa002]

On that note, anyone interested in calcing this?
Should be a nice feat for pre timeskip hima

✂️ boss lady

40 seconds · Clipped by Era of Nyx · Original video "Himawari Activate the Byakugan and use the soft fist to save Shukaku" by Sasuke uchiha

youtube.com

 

[Nierre]

when do we get leaks for the next chapter

 

[karo_senpaii]

There’s a vsbw page for that

Could you help link it?

You can download paint.net and then read basic calcs to get an idea

Thanks