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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Godernet said:
History Class teaching how an old Uchiha got butthurt because Big Wood Man kept bullying him and his clan so he hooked himself up to the husk of an ancient planet demon to prolonged his life, gaslight an Uchiha kid into helping him by making him watch his best friend kill his crush, had the gaslit Kid kidnap several sentient nukes, make a group of terrorists, wage war on the entire Ninja World, and resurrect him so that he could become the god of the world and stuff everyone on the planet into a big tree.

And then be like “yeah that was all like 20 years ago”
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"Only to end up getting penetrated by an alien cannibal mommy"
 
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Considering a 10x 5-B attack vaporized like 70% of Hidari’s body, and Hidari would one shot Shippuden dozens of times over. Yamcha stat wise slams. Idk how he’s getting past any of the regen or immortality tho
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Considering a 10x 5-B attack vaporized like 70% of Hidari’s body, and Hidari would one shot Shippuden dozens of times over. Yamcha stat wise slams. Idk how he’s getting past any of the regen or immortality tho
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Uzuhiko is 5b on this wiki but not in general. So no Hidari is not 5b what we can calculate however is 5b. Uzuhiko is at least 5b.
 
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Kaguya Vs Azashiro (0-0-0)

Will probably be a stomp, but I like this match, so suck it. I wanna milk HST matches whilst we can still do em. Kaguya Otsutsuki vs Soya Azashiro Speed = SBA otherwise Wants to turn people into puppets (Naruto): Wants to turn people into puppets (Bleach): Incon:
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Arc7Kuroi said:
Crazy how it states exactly what I said.
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We don't know for certain that it is limited to 5B is my argument.

A new form of Rasengan that utilizes not only one's chakra, but also the planet's rotation and orbit, plus the corresponding centrifugal and other forces.

Notice how it said not only one’s chakra?

Meaning your chakra/ planet chakra and other forces.
 
Samlex1234 said:
We don't know for certain that it is limited to 5B is my argument.

A new form of Rasengan that utilizes not only one's chakra, but also the planet's rotation and orbit, plus the corresponding centrifugal and other forces.

Notice how it said not only one’s chakra?

Meaning your chakra/ planet chakra and other forces.
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If those "other forces" were relevant enough to take Uzuhiko significantly above the 5-B forces it's making use of, they would have been mentioned.

You're the one randomly assuming it's way above 5-B with zero backing at this point in time. Maybe in the future your opinion will be vindicated, but as of right now with what we know, it's a 5-B attack.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
If those "other forces" were relevant enough to take Uzuhiko significantly above the 5-B forces it's making use of, they would have been mentioned.

You're the one randomly assuming it's way above 5-B with zero backing at this point in time. Maybe in the future your opinion will be vindicated, but as of right now with what we know, it's a 5-B attack.
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“Fallacy of composition”
Did you just ignore my argument???

I said and I repeat again

“Uzuhiko is not limited to 5b ”.

Yes I have evidence to back it up it is literally in the statement.
 
Some simple abduction reasoning will enable you to arrive at Slayer’s conclusion.

Samlex1234 said:
Did you just ignore my argument???

I said and I repeat again

“Uzuhiko is not limited to 5b ”.

Yes I have evidence to back it up it is literally in the statement.
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You’re misunderstanding Slayer’s and my own argument. Based upon the information presented we know that the Uzuhiko comprises Boruto’s own chakra, the energy of the Earth’s orbit and rotation, among unnamed other forces. What Slayer and myself are claiming is that it is most probable and most likely that Uzuhiko isn’t massively above 10x 5-B to any quantifiable degree. We aren’t claiming it is hard capped by the value of Earth’s orbital and rotational energy + Boruto’s energy. We are claiming that it is far more likely to be around that level of energy given that these unnamed forces are unquantifiable vague forces, that were clearly not significant enough to even be named. The onus is on you to provide substantiation for the claim that Uzuhiko is far beyond that 10x 5-B value, something which you just haven’t done.
 
Samlex1234 said:
“Fallacy of composition”
Did you just ignore my argument???

I said and I repeat again

“Uzuhiko is not limited to 5b ”.

Yes I have evidence to back it up it is literally in the statement.
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Read what Arc said in the above post carefully.

Basically, I never said Uzuhiko was hard capped or limited to the 5-B value we're using.
However, it is the highest quantifiable value we can objectively slap onto the technique without using headcanon or faulty scaling methods.
Logically speaking, if Uzuhiko was actually a 4-C/Low 2-C/2-C/Whatever-C attack, it would make negative logical sense for all of the descriptions we have for the ability highlighting the centrifugal force and orbital rotations as if they would matter in the slightest. This is one of those moments where we have to use common sense to arrive at what the story is very clearly trying to tell us.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Some simple abduction reasoning will enable you to arrive at Slayer’s conclusion.


You’re misunderstanding Slayer’s and my own argument. Based upon the information presented we know that the Uzuhiko comprises Boruto’s own chakra, the energy of the Earth’s orbit and rotation, among unnamed other forces. What Slayer and myself are claiming is that it is most probable and most likely that Uzuhiko isn’t massively above 10x 5-B to any quantifiable degree. We aren’t claiming it is hard capped by the value of Earth’s orbital and rotational energy + Boruto’s energy. We are claiming that it is far more likely to be around that level of energy given that these unnamed forces are unquantifiable vague forces, that were clearly not significant enough to even be named. The onus is on you to provide substantiation for the claim that Uzuhiko is far beyond that 10x 5-B value, something which you just haven’t done.
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This is a pure example of an Argument from Ignorance



Because these forces are unnamed doesn't necessarily mean they are insignificant. The jutsu is described as harnessing multiple types of forces we know not of, some that might be complex and possibly cosmic in nature. Just because they aren't specifically measured doesn't mean they should be dismissed. The forces might have been left vague to suggest a level of power that defies easy measurement or to hint at a potential that goes beyond conventional understanding, hence boruto saying and I quote “The Uzuhiko is Limitless” showing that Uzuhiko is far beyond the 10x 5-B value.
Dismissing these forces because they are not explicitly named is simply an oversimplification.

Don't forget boruto own chakra is also addedddd
 
Samlex1234 said:
This is a pure example of an Argument from Ignorance
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It isn’t. It’s an abduction argument, which utilizes logical reasoning in order to produce a most likely conclusion based upon incomplete information. Given that the only forces important enough to be named in the databook are Boruto + Planet motion, and when Boruto explains it in the manga he doesn’t even make mention of these other forces, heavily implies a lack of significance for said other forces. Especially the fact that Boruto made absolutely 0 mention of these unnamed forces, leads to the more likely conclusion that they simply aren’t relevant in this AP equation.

Samlex1234 said:
Because these forces are unnamed doesn't necessarily mean they are insignificant. The jutsu is described as harnessing multiple types of forces we know not of, some that might be complex and possibly cosmic in nature. Just because they aren't specifically measured doesn't mean they should be dismissed. The forces might have been left vague to suggest a level of power that defies easy measurement or to hint at a potential that goes beyond conventional understanding, hence boruto saying and I quote “The Uzuhiko is Limitless” showing that Uzuhiko is far beyond the 10x 5-B value.
Dismissing these forces because they are not explicitly named is simply an oversimplification.
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Words like limitless, infinite, unlimited, boundless, etc can all simply mean “very great” and do not inherently mean literally without limit or literally mathematical infinite. The onus again would be on you to prove that they mean that the Jutsu is quantifiable above ~10x 5-B. You’ve been merely restating the same claim that “we don’t know these other forces therefore the Jutsu could be stronger”, positing a hypothesis without any justification. We can equivocate and posit possibilities all we want, but unless you can prove that your position is the more or most likely position, then you simply lack any ground to stand on.

Samlex1234 said:
Don't forget boruto own chakra is also addedddd
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Boruto’s chakra by itself clashed evenly with Hidari. When Boruto added planet energy he vaporized 70% of Hidari. Boruto’s chakra is not relevant here at all, it’s blatant that the energy from the planet added to the Uzuhiko is far beyond Boruto’s energy alone empirically so.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Read what Arc said in the above post carefully.

Basically, I never said Uzuhiko was hard capped or limited to the 5-B value we're using.
However, it is the highest quantifiable value we can objectively slap onto the technique without using headcanon or faulty scaling methods.
Logically speaking, if Uzuhiko was actually a 4-C/Low 2-C/2-C/Whatever-C attack, it would make negative logical sense for all of the descriptions we have for the ability highlighting the centrifugal force and orbital rotations as if they would matter in the slightest. This is one of those moments where we have to use common sense to arrive at what the story is very clearly trying to tell us.
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Again no evidence. I won't argue this with you. I would not conform to you and arc fallacies. Appealing to common sense, taking about intuition when we have evidence.

 
Samlex1234 said:
Again no evidence. I won't argue this with you. I would not conform to you and arc fallacies. Appealing to common sense, taking about intuition when we have evidence.

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All that means is that the energy of planet is perceived as limitless in the eyes of Boruto. Which makes the notion of Shippuden scaling even near 5-B less and less likely. This statement doesn’t support your argument unless you prove that Boruto is claiming that Uzuhiko has literally infinite energy.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
All that means is that the energy of planet is perceived as limitless in the eyes of Boruto. Which makes the notion of Shippuden scaling even near 5-B less and less likely. This statement doesn’t support your argument unless you prove that Boruto is claiming that Uzuhiko has literally infinite energy.
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It's also possible that Boruto's referring to the fact that the energy "never runs out" so long as the planet keeps spinning, which he's mentioned in the Code altercation, but I digress. You've pretty much said it better than I could've.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
It's also possible that Boruto's referring to the fact that the energy "never runs out" so long as the planet keeps spinning, which he's mentioned in the Code altercation, but I digress. You've pretty much said it better than I could've.
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Arc7Kuroi said:
All that means is that the energy of planet is perceived as limitless in the eyes of Boruto. Which makes the notion of Shippuden scaling even near 5-B less and less likely. This statement doesn’t support your argument unless you prove that Boruto is claiming that Uzuhiko has literally infinite energy.
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I will reply to this soon. I have to do something now.
 
Don't you just love it when goons pull out fallacies without explaining exactly how the fallacy has been used or why it even matters to the conclusion reached by the argument. Stop watching debate videos and actually research these terms you're using, because neither Arc or Slayer are committing an Argument from Ignorance by appealing to abduction to reach a logically valid conclusion.
 
Deceived3596 said:
Don't you just love it when goons pull out fallacies without explaining exactly how the fallacy has been used or why it even matters to the actual conclusion reached by the argument. Stop watching debate videos and actually research these terms you're using, because neither Arc or Slayer are committing an Argument from Ignorance by appealing to abduction to reach a logically valid conclusion.
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I will explain the fallacies later but go on accusing me of what you know not about.
 
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