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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Can you read again? i dindt say jigen scales below kurama, only that kurama makes naruto too much to kill. so whos now disingenuous here?
and you conceded kurama has regen which is inferiors to obitos tentails.
so its not like once JIgen kicks Jubito the tentails is coming out of his body. JIgen win condition is same as on naruto seal him on pot
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You replied to a comments saying
"Jigen is still significantly stronger than Juubito who is also stronger than the Juubi itself"
The implication is very clear. The topic was strength regardless of whether you said it verbatim or not.
I didn't concede Kurama has regen weaker than Obito's ten tails?
I mean I agree that it has but nowhere in my comment did I "concede" anything. That's really weird wording that tries to make it sound like you won some argument.
That presumes that Obito is as durable as Naruto.
Jigen doesn't need to seal anything if he kicks Obito into smithereens like he did to the susanoos and kyubi avatars head.
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I mean, hypothetically he probably could. But he's not willingly cooperating with Boruto so normally he wouldn't
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Could he take over the body while Boruto's consciousness is incapacitated by the Genjutsu?
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If Naruto's "test" is the standard for convincing Gama, then no
I don't see how she lasts a whole day without falling off.
I also don't think she beats him. If she lands a Chidori, probably
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Then Boruto'd get incapped by it and Momoshiki takes control..?
hmmm
I may be cooking a match against Itachi, how does that sound?
She gets to 6-B with CES in this key and sharingan should get her an advantage speedwise too
So i'm pretty sure she can beat him
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Naruto fights aren't always determined via "bigger gun GG"
Gama is ******* huge and Sarada lacks the range to land any potent hits
Idet she can jump that high
Gama has the super heavy sword, extremely nimble for his size and massive AOE Suiton that can drown Sarada
Sarada also has pretty poor stamina all things considered
The speed gap is rather close outside of Chidori which lacks the range
Nonynho
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Since the scan doesn't work, we can assume his type 1 is 13m
Yeah, she has this range lol
Per SBA location she can use trees to help if she can't, but it's not ridiculous to assume she can like basically anyone else
Hard to hit since she's a small target who has quite a big speed advantage even if speed's equal due to sharingan buffs
And he can't even try punches because of her raiton armor f*ing him up if attempted
SBA location should help her, she can walk on water like basically anyone and Fuuton that should make her even harder to see/hit
Not that much, specially with her being the only one that has a precise value vs him who scales to scaling to scaling + her sharingan buff
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Outlier
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Still 100x better than the Shin scaling
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Guys, how v1 kaguya is 5b(scales to madara) after sasuke and Naruto stated
1: they have no hope of defeating kaguya while they were too confident to defeat madara
2: they didn't believe that someone like kaguya even exist because of her power level
3: when black zetsu was absorbing the chakra from infinite tsukiyomi, Naruto stated that if they didn't stop it fast the shinobis chakra will be drained until death and black zetsu agrees and said he won't do it for some other reasons
4: Naruto and sasuke were too scared from v1 kaguya's power level
V2 kaguya scaled to 4b when team 7 and black zetsu didn't even sense the Gap between v1 and V2
1: Naruto and sasuke never reacted that massive gap of power between v1 and V2, all Thier reaction was at the etso massive size, what it contains and its range, they didn't even noticed her power increase until black zetsu said her might and speed exponentially increased and began explaining the ETSO without anything indicates that massive gap in power
I used the 5b and 4b to show the massive gap between v1 and V2 kaguya, I don't mean that v1 must be 4b but if v1 must scale to v2
1: they have no hope of defeating kaguya while they were too confident to defeat madara
2: they didn't believe that someone like kaguya even exist because of her power level
3: when black zetsu was absorbing the chakra from infinite tsukiyomi, Naruto stated that if they didn't stop it fast the shinobis chakra will be drained until death and black zetsu agrees and said he won't do it for some other reasons
4: Naruto and sasuke were too scared from v1 kaguya's power level
V2 kaguya scaled to 4b when team 7 and black zetsu didn't even sense the Gap between v1 and V2
1: Naruto and sasuke never reacted that massive gap of power between v1 and V2, all Thier reaction was at the etso massive size, what it contains and its range, they didn't even noticed her power increase until black zetsu said her might and speed exponentially increased and began explaining the ETSO without anything indicates that massive gap in power
I used the 5b and 4b to show the massive gap between v1 and V2 kaguya, I don't mean that v1 must be 4b but if v1 must scale to v2
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Did you actually mean to reply to me? Or did you mean to reply to Nonynho?
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Idk, I guess
Based on what antifeats?
She gets a stated amp the second she finishes her seal
And the only person she fails to one-shot after that is Madara who uses limbo clones which she cant hurt
Naruto states she would one shot him
Its also backed up by the Gaiden feats against Shin
I have higher standard for outliers than most of this site tho so I can understand calling it an outlier but her whole thing is strength I dont see why her having Naruto level striking AP is an outlier
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This is Base Sakura, who had just finished dumping so much chakra into that fodder Obito that she nearly fainted. Prior to this, her best statement is being relative to EMS Sasuke and MKCM Naruto (yap). Sakura was consistently shown and stated to be fodder against Madara and Kaguya, makes no sense for her punch to do more damage than Naruto's 9 Rasenshurikens
Takes place 12 years later, not sure how that would back up the feats she had as as child
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Nah, that just means everyone is relative to that level.
That's the reason we have words like:
"At Mosts", "At Leasts", "Likely Highers",
"Downscales", "Scales", and "Upscales"
TIER 5 HIRUZEN IS REAL!
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This was on page 1 of the entire naruto to boruto discussion thread btw, it got removedBruh mf's were sending crazy shit in here back in 2020
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Still there though?
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never happened.
Okay?
Depends on which ten tails and which Otsutsuki.
Kaguya has so much chakra because she merged with a shinju which has absorbed a portion of the life on the planet, not just ten tails.
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The eye talk makes me think it's Karin
After all, she's the one in charge of Sarada's eye treatments
After all, she's the one in charge of Sarada's eye treatments
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I'm really thinking about throwing an instance of Boruto against Itachi just because he has a way to escape genjutsu lol
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Boruto Database: Mamushi | NARUTO OFFICIAL SITE (NARUTO & BORUTO)
Mamushi Mamushi's Division allows him to infinitely replicate himsel
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This is probably the best argument for it to be an outlier.
But we dont really know how much Chakra her punches take in base. She has a good little time to recover Chakra after she gives it to Obito as well
Idk how its yap when there is basically an entire chapter hyping her up to be on their level, like its pretty clear that the intention is that she isnt just yapping
And like, to be on the level of KCM and EMS Sasuke, without any of the hax or abilities or durability that they have, it would make sense that her striking AP would have to be a lot higher than theirs and that appears to be true at that point
Also characters in the war arc get randomly stronger and emotionally amped all the time. Like look at Kakashi, or like, Naruto and Sasuke who get way stronger from the Madara > Kaguya fight
Well, she is fodder to them, because she lacks any defense for TSO, she lacks flight, durability, any range attacks, etc
Though Madara still blocked her with a Limbo clone rather than eat a hit, which like, is consistent with her having high striking AP, and Kaguya treated her as fodder, and got ****** for it
Also she has the feat where she reacts to Kaguya's arm, and with the punch she reacts to Kaguya's flight speed, which are both not AP feats, but shows she is getting stronger
The databooks even say she is on par with them, specifically referencing the Kaguya fight too
If anything I feel like the Rasenshuriken feat is the outlier
Kaguya was somewhat hurt by Naruto's punches, he rips her arm off with just a chakra claw, and with boil release he was putting the hurt on her
But instead of it being an outlier, I feel like the Rasenshuriken actually did more damage than anything else, it was just internal, which makes some sense when you look at Ay3 and Kakazu
It did manage to unstablize the Bjuu inside her
Because its like the next feats she had? It doesnt really make sense to me to think she got 1000s of times stronger like in the blank period, she was busy being a parent
Also, I think calling something an outlier is like/should be, more based on later feats than feats before, because characters in Naruto get stronger over time
Like I wouldnt consider Kakashi's feats against the v2 Jins, or Obito to be outliers because he was struggling with Zabuza right before it
Kakashi just gets randomly stronger during the entire War where he goes from below Pain / around Kakazu level pre-war, to fighting on par with KCM Naruto and Obito somewhat in the late war
But I guess I have just never been a fan of "outlier" arguments in general. Like they always seem kinda subjective to me.
And in this case you are throwing away a feat that is her highlight moment, when I really dont see any striking strength antifeats, you still didnt really give any, just that she was low on Chakra
Her being fodder to Madara and Kaguya isnt an antifeat imo because it is still true regardless of if she has Naruto level striking, she would never land a hit without help, and she has no way to seal them
Even like, the comparison to KCM and EMS isnt an antifeat imo because she would need to have higher striking AP to be anywhere close to them
And again characters seem to get randomly amped during the war anyway so I would prioritize feats that come later
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No one really scales to Base Sakura's physical striking strength, post unlocking her sealNah, that just means everyone is relative to that level.
That's the reason we have words like:
"At Mosts", "At Leasts", "Likely Highers",
"Downscales", "Scales", and "Upscales"
TIER 5 HIRUZEN IS REAL!
I think?
Like, finishing the seal was stated to be an amp, even before she starts to use it
She is said to be equal to Naruto and Sasuke but they have a bunch of techniques and abilities that she doesnt so as a punch merchant it makes sense her physical strikes would be > theirs
I dont know if anything specifically contradicts her having that level of striking already
But like, I also dont see why she couldnt have gotten stronger between then and the Kaguya fight as well
Kaguya is exponentially faster than Madara, yet Naruto and Sasuke can keep up with her
At the start of the Kaguya fight, Naruto is so slow that Kaguua can escape from 99/100 of his clones and easily blitzes him, yet later, when she is about to be sealed, when she is the strongest she is the entire time, exponentially so according to Zetsu, she states they are too fast for her to even teleport away
Kakashi goes from like, below Deva Pain and around Kakazu level, to fighting on par with KCM Naruto, Obito, etc all in one day
At least w Sakura you could argue that she is getting used to her new power
And skill is very important to her, her strikes are directly dependent on how precisely she releases her chakra
There are also mental amps, like Naruto being able to cut off Kaguya's arm with mere chakra aura
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This doesn't help Sakura. Even if she were to recover all of her chakra within minutes, you'd have to provide evidence as to why it would be consistent for her to gain an amp superior to that of Six Paths. Sakura only got progressively weaker after the Juubidara fight. Juubidara made her freeze in place, paralyzed with fear to the point that she forgot to breathe, and she later claims that Madara was on a higher dimension compared to her. I'm not sure if I have to bring up the chain scaling, but Pre IT Kaguya is already put on a higher pedestal than 3E Juubidara, who then got another amp from IT, and then Sakura damaged her, making it very inconsistent.
If you really deep the power dynamic, Sakura was nothing more than meat bag who provided healing inferior to Naruto with the yang-seal, it's why anytime Madara or Kaguya pulled up, all she can do is start gulping and shaking in fear
| Chapter 676 | Chapter 666 | Chapter 679 |
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Getting paralyzed in fear, and when she tries to act tuff the next panel, she gets poked. Admitting that she's nothing more than just a diversion. | 
Forgetting to breathe in the presence of Madara. | 
Paralyzed in fear again, for the 3rd time. |
It's not an outlier, Kaguya durability was just that high. I'm not sure what panel you're referring to about Naruto hurting Kaguya with punches, but Sakura breaking her horn vs some little bruise on her face when Naruto punched her are not at all comparable. As for the Rasenshuriken's doing more damage, that is not true. The Rasenshuriken is shown to do external damage as well, it's not exclusively damaging you from the inside, especially when it's releasing large explosions like this. And it destabilized her because the Bijuu from Naruto resonated with the ones inside Kaguya, causing her to split apart, not because she took any meaningful amount of damage.
It also doesn't make sense for someone comparable to weaker forms of Naruto to all of a sudden jump several tiers of power, and do shit Naruto couldn't, in base.
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7/10 bait.
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Sakura CRT
Let me preface by imploring everyone who will partake in this CRT to read the text completely and not jump into any preconceived conclusion This is divided into two phases 1. Sakura at her peak does NOT cap at KCM Naruto, EMS Sasuke or Byakugo Tsunade 2. Sakura does NOT scale to Kaguya...
Arguing so is just time-wasting
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Hey, rq, may i ask what would your thoughts be on Sarada vs Gamabunta, giving her the wincon of "seeming deserving of kuchiose contract in his eyes"?
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Yea, I think he'd be impressed with her enough to give her a contract. She's exceptionally talented at her age, mastering multiple high ranking abilities while also possessing a MS. She also inherited Sakura's expert control over chakra giving her insane enhanced striking strength, and she did all this shit at 12.
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Those i've been talking about (Boruto vs Itachi & Sarada vs Bunta), you think i could make threads* on them or nah?
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