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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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İs there any key are they equal?
İ mean either boruto or itachi blitz each other
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İts still stomp because of tsukuyomi isnt it?
Even with equlized speed ( which itachi can overcome via susanoo) its very easie win for him
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Dropped this just today, seeing how far this could get with it being an idea thanks to a friend
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A Ninja's Way against Sin
This started off as a joke scenario between me and a friend, but soon it turned more than interesting enough for me to do this. In a turnabout of fate for the future Hokage, the Sin Archbishop of Lust happens across Naruto in the midst of his journey on retrieving Sasuke, but in the midst of a...
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Boruto TBV : Chapter 35 Spoilers
Kawaki just got another amp
Kawaki just got another amp
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Amado made it so that Kawaki's stats can change instantly from Defense when guarding or off guard to Offense when he's attacking. Pretty nice buff.
Amado: For Example.... normally you'd keep your defensive capabilities at 100%. Even if you were caught off guard from behind, there's almost no chance you would die. And then when attacking... you switch your attack capabilities to 100%. Instantly of course.
Amado: For Example.... normally you'd keep your defensive capabilities at 100%. Even if you were caught off guard from behind, there's almost no chance you would die. And then when attacking... you switch your attack capabilities to 100%. Instantly of course.
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He also likened it to Chakra control.. Basically implying that people with perfect chakra control can redirect 100 percent Ap to defence and Vice Versa..
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Like I used to say, attack and defence isn't passive. They have to focus.
I believe this would be expanded upon.
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It applies to chakra based attacks though considering the 85% where kawaki gassed out was when he was about to fire his chakra blast
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I need some clarifications, how were the layers for genjutsu applied? As far as i can see, they cannot be layered because to layer something you must resist it first. which is not happening.
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Naruto: Genjutsu Potency
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Statements.I need some clarifications, how were the layers for genjutsu applied? As far as i can see, they cannot be layered because to layer something you must resist it first. which is not happening.
Naruto: Genjutsu Potency
We are told sharingan can resist base sharingan genjutsu but you need an MS to resist MS genjutsu.
Tsukuyiomi is even level above that because it works on MS and so does Sasukes EMS genjutsu.
Itachi then set up koto to activate on Sasuke after he's gained EMS despite him wanting Sasuke to train himself to get past tsukuyiomi (which he succeeded in breaking out of).
However koto can still be broken by the perfect jin strategy and IT can't. So the chain is basically best explained :
3 tomoe is unbreakable compared to normal genjutsu < 3 tomoe resists 3 tomoe genjutsu but can't resist MS < MS can resist basic MS genjutsu but can't resist tsukuyiomi < Sasuke can resist Tsukuyiomi but can't resist koto < perfect jins can resist koto but can't resist IT
I'm personally unaware of the TL Sasuke stuff so I can't speak on that.
The blog will eventually be redone with more details and higher accuracy tho so I wouldn't mind it much rn
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breaking out of genjutsu is nullification layers not resistance layers, could you show me a statement or scan where its specifically shown to be a "resistance" and not them breaking out of it
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The blog provides examples albeit the links are still busted, but yeah the layers page will eventually need a revamp down the line.I need some clarifications, how were the layers for genjutsu applied? As far as i can see, they cannot be layered because to layer something you must resist it first. which is not happening.
Naruto: Genjutsu Potency
There are some pretty blatant layers still there however,
3 Tomoe Sharingan just naturally see through normal GJ but are still affected by other 3T GJ and especially MS GJ.
MS GJ can be resisted by other MS Users but Itachi’s Tsukuyomi ignores those resistances.
Kotoamatsukami was stated to be capable of ignoring an EMS Sasuke’s GJ resistance who is > an MS User.
And Infinite Tsukuyomi is above everyone else in the verse bc it affects the entire verse except other Six Paths Rinnegan users like EoS Sasuke.
A Revamp will eventually make the blog make more sense, take some layers out, and add some new ones that weren’t accounted for.
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seeing through and then breaking out, is again not a resistance layer
any feats or scans?
the entire point of koto was putting people under mind control without their knowledge, if they are aware of it then they can break out of it
Inf Tsukuyomi doesnt scale to many people
We are still looking at nullification layers, not resistance layers
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Genjutsu goal is mind control.
If you are under genjutsu and you saw through it then broke out then the genjutsu failed.. it didn't achieve it's goal which is to control your mind, so you are already resisting that part, then you use power null to break the illusion. Actually it's both powernull and mm
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Sharingan users don’t need to break out of GJ that isn’t on their level.
That’s why we have things like Sasuke feeling out Danzo by placing him in a GJ where he see Itachi to make sure it was possible for him to put Danzo under a GJ.
When I’m home sure, some of it is Novel stuff that Slayer had in his blog which got purged by the great Naruto Imgur collapse, so I’ll need to look for that.
It being mind control is true but it still has to have a potency capable of affecting ppl on that level.
And no you can’t just break out of Koto by knowing you’re under it.
It scales to a handful depending on how we eventually treat the Otsutsuki.
For sure, and that’s why it’ll need to be revamped bc it has nullification layers as well as resistance layers and those need to be differentiated.
Also, there’s an out-of-date train of logic the current blog uses where Sharingan users scale to the layers of their Dojutsu level when it’s more like each Dojutsu user has their own level of prowess that can surpass or be inferior to other Dojutsu users even with more powerful eyes, depending on their own ocular ability.
Once that’s all done, the blog should look very different.
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Not a single soul in the entire verse has broken out of sharingan genjutsu without established workarounds (a partner/another sharingan)
We're straight up told:
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Didnt that samurai dude break out of it once he was told he was under it or something?
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No, Danzo got caught doing it by a Byakugan user, and turned it off on his own.
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hey, hello
can you take a look at my Madara revamp CRT?
[Naruto] - Let's put some respect into Madara's name! (Uncontroversial profile revamp)
Are you at all familiar with the concept of guilty pleasure? Mines are basically incarnate in Madara and OG Broly lmfaooo Anyway, this was supposed to be just a listing and bolding of the PnA section but whatever i discovered was outdated, i did the best (slightly limited by not being active in...
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Breaking Occular genjustu is the same as breaking regular genjustu. You just need to expel the enemies chakra disrupting your chakra. Raikage got broken out of madara's MS genjustu with a release technique by onoki. Sasuke broke out of tsukiyomi via flushing itachi's chakra out with his curse mark level 2 chakra. Sharingan users can see inaccuracies and become aware they are in genjustu. However they still fall victim to even the most basic genjustu. Kurenai put itachi in genjustu and itachi had to use genjustu reverse to get out. Kabuto put Sasuke and itachi in sound genjustu. Ao got broken out of kotoamatsukami. Itachi stated you need MS genjustu to control kurama.
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anyone opposing me creating those later this week? Sorry for changing the topic rq
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No.
No. Sasuke broke out using his sharingan. He didn't even actually activate curse mark, that was only a part of the genjutsu.
Canonically base Sasuke broke it through his "masterful use of the sharingan".
No, genjutsu sees through illusions.
Kurenai is a genjustu specialist jonin who was physically fast and strong enough to block a kick from Itachi. She's just built different.
Senjutsu enhanced genjutsu, once again Kabuto is just built different (literally, bro had so many body modifications lmao)
Ao was never affected by koto in canon.
Once again just proves layers of resistance and that kurama is, in fact built different.
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I'm gonna be honest, they sound boring and stompy.
I don’t think it'll get any traction
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Do they? Maybe I am being really stupid but who canonically punches harder then her?
Is there any character she punches that she cant hurt but someone else can?
I dont see how this disproves that she has striking strength that can hurt them
It doesnt matter, they would heal it off instantly, and she has way lower general AP and durability, so they still low diff her
Not even mentioning the hax they have that she has no way to counter or anything
Limbo low diffs her, Air Palm low diff her, she is still basically an ant to them, even if she can slightly hurt them ( just like Naruto can slightly hurt them, I would basically scale her to his punches )
But Naruto cuts her arm off with a Kurama Cloak claw which is much much weaker than these Bjuu Rasenshuriken
Heck, are you saying that Naruto punching her is also an outlier? Because even his small bruise did more damage or comparable damage to the FRS
If not I dont see why we cant scale punch to punch
Yeah I am talking about the sexy jutsu punch, he leaves a bruise and sends her flying pretty far, she leaves a bruise and breaks a horn
That seems pretty comparable to me
Do we have any other examples besides this specific attack?
But overall I agree the explosions SHOULD do more damage, but they should also do more damage than a Naruto claw attack, or a Steam release punch, and yet they dont
They do basically no damage. I have always found that weird tbh
Idk maybe its a concentrated punch vs non concentrated explosion thing, but I know we dont use split durability here
I also just think you can use the destabilization thing to say she didnt really tank it, considering she basically exploded from it a few seconds later
I know but I assume it requires at least some level of power to do that, like I doubt a small little chakra blast with all the bjuu chakra would have destablized her that much
Where is Kakashi placed on the Wiki here?
Because he goes from ~ FRS Naruto to ~ KCM Naruto in the course of a few days basically
Conclusion:
Take this all as me being curious rather than me saying you are wrong, I am just trying to figure it out
But I think the FRS the hardest thing to argue against
I dont think her being scared, or going from unquantifiably weaker to having one stat slightly comparable to Naruto and Sasuke is really evidence of it not being legit, when we see similar jumps in power in the series
Using the "relative to Naruto and Sasuke in EMS/KCM" as a limiter is also weird because for her to be comparable to them, her striking strength would need to be higher than theirs
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Every vs thread with itachi ,is going to be stomp ig
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The databook says he used sharingan to see the genjutsu and then his chakra to break it. Genjustu has it's limits the more powerful then someone's chakra is the harder it is to use genjustu
Proof
If you are arguing sharingan genjustu in general is above all other genjustu then this alone breaks your argument alone. Their is nothing suggesting sharingan is above every other genjutsu
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I have no idea where that scan is supposed to be from but Sasuke canonically broke out of Tsukuyiomi through sheer genjustu skill.
And you can clearly see in the manga that Sasuke was NOT in cm2 in reality and that that was just in the genjustu.
This was mentioned like a trillion times before in this thread and in the blog itself. Non sharingan genjustu can be broken by a single person just through skill, but sharingan genjustu either requires additional dojutsu or outside help.
This is said in both the manga and in the databook.
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Well partially right, it’s never stated or shown that an enemy injects chakra into you for GJ to work.
It’s described as calming your “agitated” chakra, which is more about how GJ interacts with the five senses, which all house physical energy (often used as a colloquialism for Chakra) as does every cell in a characters body, a component of chakra, rather than an energy clash.
Also you cannot dispel Sharingan GJ the same way as normal GJ, you need another party to break it otherwise you’re stuck there, like the Ay example or Bee with Gyuki but even that’s only basic Sharingan GJ rather than stuff like Tsukuyomi, Koto, IT, Frog Song, which don’t let you break out at all without powerful enough occular prowess.
Right bc CS2 Sasuke has the occular prowess to break through Tsukuyomi which is normally unbreakable for lesser Dojutsu users like Kakashi.
He also didn’t flush out chakra, in fact it’s stated that he forced his way out.
That’s true for Basic illusions that aren’t attacking your senses directly like the basic Clone Jutsu, but on top that ability they also just see through Mental Manip GJ, as stated many times.
As funny as the meme is, Kurenai is touted as a powerful GJ user even by village standards
Her being able to put Itachi under GJ is more telling about her ability, it’s just she’s up against Itachi.
If all Sharingan users are always susceptible to GJ, Sasuke wouldn’t have had to put Danzo under GJ prior to enacting his plan on Danzo’s arm of Izanagi’s to, in Obitos words, confirm if he could put Danzo in a GJ at all before putting an illusion on his arm.
That says far more about Sage Mode Kabuto than anything.
He did not, Aoi has seen it used on others and was able to discern that Danzo was using it with his Byakugan. Once he was caught Danzo was forced and asked to turn the jutsu off.
Which says more about Kurama’s Genjutsu resistances. Considering we’re told quite often that only MS level GJ could hope to control Kurama.
Uchiha aren’t the only ones with solid GJ resistance.
Something that will be expanded upon whenever that blog gets a revamp.
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Actually, if I remember correctly, doesn't Obito say that Sasuke only managed to break out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi because Itachi allowed him to?
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probably obito said only someone who shares his direct blood and a mangekyou can break it in part 1.
