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Yeah I see what you mean here but given Toji's senses I don't think the knowledge will be all that good, Sasuke's movements will simply be picked up and Sasuke will struggle landing something like Chidori as Gianny said above.He also has knowledge about the location, so this is a plus.
Toji has anlytical prediction so they neither of them would really be getting hitSasuke is not getting hit by Toji given Sharingan precog.
Ask Naoya how well that worked against MakiSasuke can also enhance his speed to become faster than Toji.
Honestly more of an advantage for Toji since he'd be doing acrobatics across the treesHe also has knowledge about the location, so this is a plus.
Been a minute since i read Naruto but doesn't Chidori force you to move in a straight line?Naoya was also being dumb in that fight and he can't easily change his movements unlike Sasuke
Sasuke's a ninja lmao, Toji isn't much in the acrobats department like ninjas are. Also sharingan can allow him to copy people like Lee
Yes it does. But I ain't really only saying chidori here, Sasuke has other weapons to use you know? He can pull out blades or kunai and get in close to stab Toji instead.Been a minute since i read Naruto but doesn't Chidori force you to move in a straight line?
The same goes for Toji though.Yeah I see what you mean here but given Toji's senses I don't think the knowledge will be all that good, Sasuke's movements will simply be picked up and Sasuke will struggle landing something like Chidori as Gianny said above.
Well, not really, Sasuke is a much better fighter than Toji and his precog is able to predict fighters of his caliber too.Toji has anlytical prediction so they neither of them would really be getting hit
Sasuke is not only way smarter than both Naoya and Maki, he's also getting way faster than Naoya was against Maki.Ask Naoya how well that worked against Maki
Absolutely not. Sasuke is a ninja.Honestly more of an advantage for Toji since he'd be doing acrobatics across the trees
Anime only + the only acrobatics feats Toji has is his profile stating that he can do the same as Maki, which is fodder.
So does Toji, if anything Toji has a far better variety of weaponsYes it does. But I ain't really only saying chidori here, Sasuke has other weapons to use you know? He can pull out blades or kunai and get in close to stab Toji instead.
Can you give me some skill feats for Sasuke, again it's been a bit since i read NarutoWell, not really, Sasuke is a much better fighter than Toji
And Toji's AP is able to predict fighters far faster than himand his precog is able to predict fighters of his caliber too.
When was chidori shown to be that big of a speed increase? Cause Naoya was reaction blitzing Maki, but then couldn't land a hit on her after she got he enhnced sensesSasuke is not only way smarter than both Naoya and Maki, he's also getting way faster than Naoya was against Maki.
It's canon in my heartAnime only
He copied Lee's style, which is years and years of hard working in a few weeks (the training he had with Kakashi). Lee's style is based on being agile and hitting the target with super speed. Sasuke is also able to effortlessly dominate two high grades ninjas the moment they stood a foot outside Kohona. In terms of fighting, he's always been better than Naruto and can dominate him even with clones to help.Can you give me some skill feats for Sasuke, again it's been a bit since i read Naruto
AP? I think you meant precog right? I know that his precog can do it, it's just that the difference in speed between Sasuke with speed amp by shunshin or CS1 will be much grater than Mach 3 and Maki.And Toji's AP is able to predict fighters far faster than him
When Sasuke first used it against Gaara. Chidori is noted to grant a huge boost in speed when used.When was chidori shown to be that big of a speed increase? Cause Naoya was reaction blitzing Maki, but then couldn't land a hit on her after she got he enhnced senses
Also canon in my heart:It's canon in my heart
Maki was also able to defeat an entire clan of elite sorcerers before even reaching Toji's level, so aside from the copying stuff (which is just a byprodut of the Sharingan rather than pure skill), they are prett comparable skill wiseHe copied Lee's style, which is years and years of hard working in a few weeks (the training he had with Kakashi). Lee's style is based on being agile and hitting the target with super speed. Sasuke is also able to effortlessly dominate two high grades ninjas the moment they stood a foot outside Kohona. In terms of fighting, he's always been better than Naruto and can dominate him even with clones to help.
Ap as in analytical predictionAP? I think you meant precog right?
Speed is equalized so idk why you are bringing up the mach 3 stuff. In terms of pure speed boost nothing mentioned in the Gaara fight puts Chidori at reaction blitz levels above Sasuke's normal speed, like Naoya was to MakiI know that his precog can do it, it's just that the difference in speed between Sasuke with speed amp by shunshin or CS1 will be much grater than Mach 3 and Maki.
When Sasuke first used it against Gaara. Chidori is noted to grant a huge boost in speed when used.
Peak animation nglAlso canon in my heart:
He can just copy Toji's movements if you think Toji's a better fighter you know.Maki was also able to defeat an entire clan of elite sorcerers before even reaching Toji's level, so aside from the copying stuff (which is just a byprodut of the Sharingan rather than pure skill), they are prett comparable skill wise
Yeah but she was already much stronger than them. She was speedblitzing them and one shotting, not a lot of skill in there. Lee's skills is part of his skills now lol, it isn't just a byproduct of Sharingan, Sasuke had to master his techniques. They're for sure not comparable skill wise.Maki was also able to defeat an entire clan of elite sorcerers before even reaching Toji's level, so aside from the copying stuff (which is just a byprodut of the Sharingan rather than pure skill), they are prett comparable skill wise
Maki can react and predict an opponent faster than her, a Mach 3 character. Sasuke with amped speed will be faster than Naoya at that point. The difference in speed between Sasuke amping his speed to speedblitzing characters equal to him is higher than the difference between Naoya and Maki.Speed is equalized so idk why you are bringing up the mach 3 stuff.
There's Chidori, Shunshin and CS1. I also didn't say he was gonna blitz with Chidori, just that Chidori is a hitkill.In terms of pure speed boost nothing mentioned in the Gaara fight puts Chidori at reaction blitz levels above Sasuke's normal speed
Same with Sasuke beating up random ninjas and Naruto's clonesYeah but she was already much stronger than them. She was speedblitzing them and one shotting, not a lot of skill in there.
I meant that sasuke copying Lee's techniques was a byproduct of the Sharingan rather than pure skillLee's skills is part of his skills now lol, it isn't just a byproduct of Sharingan
Iirc he hasn't used Shunshin and Chidori at the same time, they are separte techniques. With that in mind you haven't proven the speed increase from Chidori is greater than the difference betwen Maki and Naoya (i keep bringing this up cause it shows the sheer speed difference that Toji's senses can cover)Maki can react and predict an opponent faster than her, a Mach 3 character. Sasuke with amped speed will be faster than Naoya at that point. The difference in speed between Sasuke amping his speed to speedblitzing characters equal to him is higher than the difference between Naoya and Maki.
There's Chidori, Shunshin and CS1. I also didn't say he was gonna blitz with Chidori, just that Chidori is a hitkill.
But... Sasuke wasn't stronger than them? lol.Same with Sasuke beating up random ninjas and Naruto's clones
I mean yeah, but does it have to do with the fight anyway?I meant that sasuke copying Lee's techniques was a byproduct of the Sharingan rather than pure skill
Brother I never said that. You're fighting an invisible enemy now.Iirc he hasn't used Shunshin and Chidori at the same time, they are separte techniques.
I don't need to, because I never said he'd be using Chidori to blitz, just to finish.With that in mind you haven't proven the speed increase from Chidori is greater than the difference betwen Maki and Naoya
He is stronger than Naruto in early part 1, and that's on top of shadow clones having 0 durability. I think i confused the other ninja you were talking aboutBut... Sasuke wasn't stronger than them? lol.
Idk felt like arguing a bitI mean yeah, but does it have to do with the fight anyway?
Ok can you explain what your arguament for Sasuke blitzing Toji is cause i think something's been lost hereBrother I never said that. You're fighting an invisible enemy now.
I don't need to, because I never said he'd be using Chidori to blitz, just to finish.
The key used here is mid Part 1, not early. And there is no scaling of Sasuke being > Naruto. They are at most relative during Chunnin Exams.He is stronger than Naruto in early part 1
Yeah, but the point is outskilling them clones.and that's on top of shadow clones having 0 durability
Here and here.I think i confused the other ninja you were talking about
No blitz argument, I just said Sasuke will be faster with speed amp, and Toji's precog won't be able to help, because the speed difference will be higher than what his precog can track.Ok can you explain what your arguament for Sasuke blitzing Toji is cause i think something's been lost here
Somewhow the forum didn't link the mangaHere and here.
Truly one of the forums of all timeSomewhow the forum didn't link the manga
Early Sasuke is stated contantly to be stronger than early Naruto, he then trains with Kaksahi for the exams and gets even strongerThe key used here is mid Part 1, not early. And there is no scaling of Sasuke being > Naruto. They are at most relative during Chunnin Exams.
Yeah, but the point is outskilling them clones.
Which means he'd have to be fast enough to blitz Toji or even beyond that. Since Naoya was blitzing Maki yet couldn't land a hit on her after she got the enhanced sensesNo blitz argument, I just said Sasuke will be faster with speed amp, and Toji's precog won't be able to help, because the speed difference will be higher than what his precog can track.
Checked the chapter and it's not that impessive. He throws a shuriken to stun them a bit, kicks them once then gets saved by KakashiChapter 10 anyway
Sharingan pre-cog is not really comparable to Toji's. Sharingan pre-cog is reliant on visual indicators which just pre-trace trajectories for movements. This also is heavily mitigated by being outsped/outpowered (not saying that's the case here just that it's an inherent weakness to shari-precog).That's well below being locked into the environment and receiving information for several dozens to hundreds of meters away from several sense modalities and is much more resistant to speed gaps.Sasuke is not getting hit by Toji given Sharingan precog. Sasuke can also enhance his speed to become faster than Toji. Chidori and CS1 will finish Toji in the end.
He also has knowledge about the location, so this is a plus.
The speed stuff doesn't matter it's been equalized, and also Sasuke's far faster if we're gonna talk about speed here, his sharingan keeps up with hhs, not mach 3 like Maki's. Also the range won't matter here either, Sasuke always tries closing in on people during pt1, or at the least isn't fighting from hundreds of meters away.Sharingan pre-cog is not really comparable to Toji's. Sharingan pre-cog is reliant on visual indicators which just pre-trace trajectories for movements. This also is heavily mitigated by being outsped/outpowered (not saying that's the case here just that it's an inherent weakness to shari-precog).That's well below being locked into the environment and receiving information for several dozens to hundreds of meters away from several sense modalities and is much more resistant to speed gaps.
You missed the point of my post as I explicitly mentioned Toji being faster wasn't necessarily the case. I was comparing how both forms of sensing dealt with speed gaps shown in their own verse.The speed stuff doesn't matter it's been equalized, and also Sasuke's far faster if we're gonna talk about speed here,
This has no bearing on the speed gap I am discussing.his sharingan keeps up with hhs, not mach 3 like Maki's.
Once again, this is completely irrelevant to my post. I'm talking about the quality of each shown in their respective verses, not cross scaling quantities between them.Also the range won't matter here either, Sasuke always tries closing in on people during pt1, or at the least isn't fighting from hundreds of meters away.
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