Naruto vs Rob Lucci

[Foriaa]

Voting Naruto, much deeper bag with thousands of clones at this disposal.

 

[Popbum]

Lucci has haki pre ts?

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

To start off we have the standard passive poison and corrosion cloak so touching nard is a no go, energy/elemental based attacks would be robo only options in order to take nard out. This would also make Rob LS advantage useless cuz of the poison and corrosive nature of nards cloak assuming Rob goes to physically engage Nard.

Nard also has two forms of damage reduction that stack onto one another (sage mode and kurama chakra) so his gonna be having a hard time damaging nard. In addition to this, Nard has regen which would let him safely take damage or make mistakes without getting killed.

Furthermore, Nard got three forms of danger sensing (one of them is not that impressive, just allows him to sense hostile intentions) and passive clairvoyance which allows him to see his opponents all the time no matter where they are on the battlefield. Pair this with his sage mode ability to see faster opponents, kurama’s cloaks instinctive reaction and Sixth sense which passively extends his consciousness into his surroundings to sense stuff. Nards siting comfortably without any issues of being out maneuvered.

Lastly nard can times all of this by hundreds via shadow clones and further gather information from said clones. Moreover, with nards superior intelligence, stealth mastery and transformation capabilities he should be more than able to bait and kill Rob with his TBB

 

[Kachon123]

They can just dodge the kick using danger sense and substitution

The problem is that Lucci is just far faster. I'll put it into perspective.

Water 7 Luffy was 0.334313c, and base Lucci was able to easily perception blitz him and people faster than him. He has 3 speed amping transformations on top of this, with his Soru stacking as well. Substitution isn't fast enough to dodge Lucci. Danger sense also isn't going to be very helpful when Lucci has one of his own has has fought people who have experience battling against it.

Nard counters soru with shunshin

It's the other way around. Shunshin is only really helpful when the amp allows the user to blitz the opponent to switch, but the speed gap just isn't there. Lucci's normal Hybrid form is less than 2x slower than it. Lucci's Life Return state grants him a massive speed boost, and then his Soru/Kamisoru are both FTE amps on top of that. I'm not convinced that Naruto will be able to keep up. Especially with how aggressive Lucci is.

Thats fine since

1. Naruto unlike luffy has much better options to not make mistakes thanks to clones, the only reason I brought up mistakes was to address the possibility of IF lucci reaches him

Lucci is a very smart fighter and can find out weaknesses quickly. He's not going to let Naruto summon clones. He'd use his speed and blitz around attack vitals.

2. Nine tales chakra has allowed naruto to regenerate from similar injuries

There's a massive size difference. Lucci's finger alone is the size of Naruto's torso. And since when in that form he's capable of perception blitzing both him and his danger sense, Naruto would need to. be able to regenerate from something like this, which would require Mid, or even High Mid regeneration to deal with.

A couple differences here

1. Lucci would have to be able to somehow track and analyze thousands of copies while also somehow getting pass substitution (naruto switching between each clone) him analyzing one individual is not the same thing here

2. naruto has fooled even characters like neji who on paper counter him by virtue of straight up seeing chakra flow, he can use transformation to mask attacks which would severly screw with luccis combat approch.

Lucci's instinct would allow him to figure out the real Naruto, and he's trained and smart enough to understand that he needs hand signs.

Nard has fooled people with similar abilities

That doesn't give an answer to how he handles Lucci. Saying he's fooled people without explaining what he's actually going to do to someone who is far stronger, faster, likely more skilled, and more lethal.

Naruto has already handled characters with precognitive abilities and has just used deception to fool them even IF lucci does see narutos attacks slower what stops Naruto's deception from just catching him off guard aways like he's done before?

...What? The fact that they are that much slower is proof enough. For example, this is a speed gap much smaller than the one between Lucci and Naruto:

Nothing Naruto will do can catch Lucci off-guard. Especially not when he's a very experienced fighter in a world with wide variety of powers he can encounter.

While this does give lucci the edge in hand to hand this dosen't fair well against the attacks with more extended range like kurama cloak arms or larger scale rasengans

I strongly disagree. Even larger scale attacks like that can be dodged with Kami-e. Plus, base Lucci's tekkai could tank base Luffy's strongest attack, which scale to over 18.7 Gigatons. At Lucci's peaks, it's going to literally take a TBB to even break through his tekkai. Anything else is getting reflected. And for that, he's able to use his speed to lessen the impact of direct attacks.

A gap of 8x is needed to fracture your opponent's skull in one hit, and the gap between Lucci's Hybrid and a TBB is 8.5x. Tekkai is an amp that allows characters to no-sell even their own attacks. I think that Lucci could take a could of TBB at least before going down due to Zoan fruit users' increased regeneration and recoverability.

This dosen't address the clone issue though, sure lucci has faster amps what how good would those faster amps be if naruto uses clones and subsitution to bait him into a position that just leaves him open

He never really is open because his Tekkai will just reflect any attack because of his LS and durability.

naruto can regenerate his punched lungs, assuming rokuogan does hit it this wouldn't kill him

That's Low-Mid. To regenerate from an impact dial you'd need Mid regeneration, as is completely destroys the spinal cord. Rokuogan is several times more potent than that, and Ultimate Radius Rokuogan.

 

[Kachon123]

How does lucci survive a small country level + bijuu bomb?

It's restricted

Lucci has haki pre ts?

Yes.

 

[Mommyleona]

Why does people in the OP make a vs thread knowing who they are gonna favor or pick regardless of the match up?

i mean that's natural, you cant really make a match without already having your own opinion of who wins in mind, its rare when its not the case

 

[Kachon123]

To start off we have the standard passive poison and corrosion cloak so touching nard is a no go, energy/elemental based attacks would be robo only options in order to take nard out. This would also make Rob LS advantage useless cuz of the poison and corrosive nature of nards cloak assuming Rob goes to physically engage Nard.

From @Nierre:

I don't think Naruto's cloak has those poison or corrosion effects anymore once he gains the cloak

it has to do with the nature of Kurama's rage which he doesn't have anymore, not that Naruto can turn it on or off. His cloak hasn't affected anybody at all, foe or friend since gaining the cloak.

This isn't a thing.

Nard also has two forms of damage reduction that stack onto one another (sage mode and kurama chakra) so his gonna be having a hard time damaging nard. In addition to this, Nard has regen which would let him safely take damage or make mistakes without getting killed.

Lucci literally just has higher AP than Naruto has durability. On top of the fact that every single attack he has is a massive speed blitzing stab. Lucci also has 2 types of damage reduction.

Furthermore, Nard got three forms of danger sensing (one of them is not that impressive, just allows him to sense hostile intentions) and passive clairvoyance which allows him to see his opponents all the time no matter where they are on the battlefield. Pair this with his sage mode ability to see faster opponents, kurama’s cloaks instinctive reaction and Sixth sense which passively extends his consciousness into his surroundings to sense stuff. Nards siting comfortably without any issues of being out maneuvered.

Lucci isn't just "faster". It's several stacked perception blitzes when he's using Life Return Kamisoru. Just because you have 360 vision and a danger sense does not mean you'll be able to move your body in time.

Lastly nard can times all of this by hundreds via shadow clones and further gather information from said clones. Moreover, with nards superior intelligence, stealth mastery and transformation capabilities he should be more than able to bait and kill Rob with his TBB

Lucci is smarter and more skilled than Naruto is. His Rokushiki hard counters clones because for the most part they're squishy, and several rankyaku variants have large enough AoE and speed to take them all out in a single hit. He also has Kenbunshoku Haki.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

From @Nierre:

We have resolved that problem offsite and come to a conclusion that won’t result in its removal

Lucci literally just has higher AP than Naruto has durability. On top of the fact that every single attack he has is a massive speed blitzing stab. Lucci also has 2 types of damage reduction. Lucci isn't just "faster". It's several stacked perception blitzes when he's using Life Return Kamisoru. Just because you have 360 vision and a danger sense does not mean you'll be able to move your body in time.

Nard can use substitution jutsu to get himself out of blitz level attacks, than use clones to distract while waiting for the chance to use TBB.

Lucci is smarter and more skilled than Naruto is.

The intelligence section says otherwise

His Rokushiki hard counters clones because for the most part they're squishy, and several rankyaku variants have large enough AoE and speed to take them all out in a single hit.

Doesn’t matter as those are use to distract and confuse opponents on nards location.

He also has Kenbunshoku Haki.

Nard can handle folks with similar stuff and much more

 

[Kachon123]

Nard can use substitution jutsu to get himself out of blitz level attacks, than use clones to distract while waiting for the chance to use TBB.

Problem is, it's less than 2x faster than Lucci is, without his blitz amps. Lucci would just use his LS.

We have resolved that problem offsite and come to a conclusion that won’t result in its removal

And what was that conclusion?

The intelligence section says otherwise

Combat intelligence isn't ranked like normal intelligence is. It's scaled off of feats.

Doesn’t matter as those are use to distract and confuse opponents on nards location.

It's not going to confuse Lucci because of his instinct and kenbunshoku Haki.

Nard can handle folks with similar stuff and much more

Kenbun is far better than anything he has faced.

 

[Nierre]

And what was that conclusion?

it's not passive. it needs to be activated but it's also just not in character for him/Kurama to use in this key anyway

 

[Kachon123]

it's not passive. it needs to be activated but it's also just not in character for him/Kurama to use in this key anyway

Okay thanks.

So Naruto is still susceptible to physical attacks and LS.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Naruto has a higher chance of winning here .
The strength difference isn't really much, actually with naruto's regen it would be very hard for lucci to bring him down.

The LS strength gap isn't much and he can always substitute himself out of it.

I don't see how lucci would survive his rasenshuriken though, and with shunshin he has a high chance of landing it

 

[Kachon123]

The LS strength gap isn't much and he can always substitute himself out of it.

The gap is over 60x.

I don't see how lucci would survive his rasenshuriken though, and with shunshin he has a high chance of landing it

Rankyaku.

 

[karo_senpaii]

The gap is over 60x.

Would still be fine with substitution.

Rankyaku.

A really bad idea because the air blade would just make the huge radius explosion happen sooner.

Also Naruto would avoid throwing it. He'd most likely shunshin right to him and just let it explode on him. A clone can easily do that. He knows he's slower without shunshin so that's the only way

 

[Eseseso]

Doesn't Lucci skill stomp?

 

[Kachon123]

Also Naruto would avoid throwing it. He'd most likely shunshin right to him and just let it explode on him. A clone can easily do that. He knows he's slower without shunshin so that's the only way

He's likely slower with shunshin as well due to Life Return and Kamisori. Lucci can also easily predict that considering he's the greatest cp9 fighter and Rokushiki master in history, who is experienced dealing with Soru users (which is essentially a better version of shunshin). Lucci also has Kenbunshoku Haki and zoan instincts that allow him to detect clones.

A really bad idea because the air blade would just make the huge radius explosion happen sooner.

Scan on the explosion? Lucci's rankyaku's are much stronger so they'd just cancel out (or the rasenshuriken getting overpowered)

Would still be fine with substitution.

No he would not, as its not fast enough.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Problem is, it's less than 2x faster than Lucci is, without his blitz amps. Lucci would just use his LS.

Not sunshin, but substitution jutsu that replaces the user with a log

And what was that conclusion?

I got ninja’d

Combat intelligence isn't ranked like normal intelligence is. It's scaled off of feats.

I am pretty sure his normal intelligence was upgraded to genius

It's not going to confuse Lucci because of his instinct and kenbunshoku Haki.

Both of which nard has faced against with similar if not better/more of and still out smarted/confuse. Rob would have problems knowing which nard is real from the clones let alone perceive nard once he starts using stealth mastery + transformation + superior intelligence

Kenbun is far better than anything he has faced.

Not quite, nards faced beings with the sharingan, byakukan, rinnegan and six paths Senjutsu all of which have deeper and more potent forms of predictions

 

[Kachon123]

Not sunshin, but substitution jutsu that replaces the user with a log

A speed amp would be needed to use that.

I am pretty sure his normal intelligence was upgraded to genius

I'm referring to combat intelligence.

Both of which nard has faced against with similar if not better/more of and still out smarted/confuse

Prove that it's at all comparable. Also prove that Naruto has dealt with someone as fast as Lucci with these abilities.

Rob would have problems knowing which nard is real from the clones let alone perceive nard once he starts using stealth mastery + transformation + superior intelligence

Zoan instinct can discern between clones.

Not quite, nards faced beings with the sharingan, byakukan, rinnegan and six paths Senjutsu all of which have deeper and more potent forms of predictions

You have to prove that it has more potent predictions.

 

[Nierre]

Doesn't Lucci skill stomp?

not at all

 

[karo_senpaii]

He's likely slower with shunshin as well due to Life Return and Kamisori. Lucci can also easily predict that considering he's the greatest cp9 fighter and Rokushiki master in history, who is experienced dealing with Soru users (which is essentially a better version of shunshin).

Shunshin is a 7 times amp right now in naruto's key. There's definitely nothing among here that is a better amp, he's also going to be dealing with lots of clones faster than he is

Lucci also has Kenbunshoku Haki and zoan instincts that allow him to detect clones.

Not the point. I didn't say he won't detect clones. Why Naruto would use clones is to avoid the blast radius, though he's resistant to it either way

Scan on the explosion? Lucci's rankyaku's are much stronger so they'd just cancel out (or the rasenshuriken getting overpowered)

Imgur isn't working for me rn but it's just like the explosion he used against pain when pain first dodged, only this time the radius is ridiculous at this point. It won't get cancelled out, it would get torn in half which would just make it explode

No he would not, as its not fast enough.

People with relative speed have enough time to go find a log replace themselves and move up a tree before the opponent realises what happens. It's definitely fast enough

 

[karo_senpaii]

There's still a big gap in our argument. Naruto uncharged bijuu bomb just one shots and radius makes it impossible for lucci to dodge

 

[Nierre]

Wait so how is Lucci detecting the real Naruto through his clones?

 

[Pluto321]

Wait so how is Lucci detecting the real Naruto through his clones?

I don't think Rob Lucci has anything to distinguish clone from real self, i don't think enhanced senses or observation haki will help here since all the clones are 100% identical to real self.

 

[Kachon123]

Shunshin is a 7 times amp right now in naruto's key. There's definitely nothing among here that is a better amp, he's also going to be dealing with lots of clones faster than he is

Speed is not equal, so Shunshin is only 1.6x faster than Lucci's Hybrid. Lucci can become much faster be using his Life Return Hybrid, and then has FTE movement and attack boosts with Soru and Kamisoru on top of that. I have no reason to believe why that amp would be helpful.

Not the point. I didn't say he won't detect clones. Why Naruto would use clones is to avoid the blast radius, though he's resistant to it either way

If the blast radius is as big as you claim, for him to use a clone to hit Lucci with a rasenshuriken, Naruto would have to be several hundred meters if not kilometers away in the first place. How would he ever get that much space?

Imgur isn't working for me rn but it's just like the explosion he used against pain when pain first dodged, only this time the radius is ridiculous at this point. It won't get cancelled out, it would get torn in half which would just make it explode

Don't really know the moment you're talking about, but rakyaku's also explode. I'm asking that if they both explode, why would the rasenshuriken blast radius extend hundreds of meters if the rankyaku's explosion (which is more powerful) is pushing against it?

People with relative speed have enough time to go find a log replace themselves and move up a tree before the opponent realises what happens. It's definitely fast enough

So basically just Soru. Lucci's in his Hybrid state without using any amps is already early as fast as shunshin (not even a whole 2x faster). This is what that difference looks like. Lucci can literally transform into a full leopard, which gives enough of a boost to close that gap. And then he has life return, which makes him slimmer and even faster than that.

You're greatly overplaying the speed of shunshin. This is how far slower characters than Lucci treated other 1c attacks.

There's still a big gap in our argument. Naruto uncharged bijuu bomb just one shots and radius makes it impossible for lucci to dodge

At Lucci's peaks, it's going to literally take a TBB to even break through his tekkai. Anything else is getting reflected. And for that, he's able to use his speed to lessen the impact of direct attacks.

A gap of 8x is needed to fracture your opponent's skull in one hit, and the gap between Lucci's Hybrid and a TBB is 8.5x. Tekkai is an amp that allows characters to no-sell even their own attacks. I think that Lucci could take a could of TBB at least before going down due to Zoan fruit users' increased regeneration and recoverability.

 

[Kachon123]

Wait so how is Lucci detecting the real Naruto through his clones?

I don't think Rob Lucci has anything to distinguish clone from real self, i don't think enhanced senses or observation haki will help here since all the clones are 100% identical to real self.

Zoan animal instincts.

 

[Nierre]

Zoan animal instincts.

How do you deduce that's from Luffy's "Zoan animal instincts" and not just his own regular instincts? And if it was his Zoan animal instincts, which the panel doesn't even imply, why are you attributing this to Lucci's zoan instincts?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Speed is not equal, so Shunshin is only 1.6x faster than Lucci's Hybrid. Lucci can become much faster be using his Life Return Hybrid, and then has FTE movement and attack boosts with Soru and Kamisoru on top of that. I have no reason to believe why that amp would be helpful.

Never said it wouldn't be helpful, it would. I'm just pointing out when you said that lucci amps are as much as shunshin.

If the blast radius is as big as you claim, for him to use a clone to hit Lucci with a rasenshuriken, Naruto would have to be several hundred meters if not kilometers away in the first place. How would he ever get that much space?

He would realise close combat isn't the way and then switch to range attacks, one leap from kurama away (which is better than his shunshin) and he'd have enough distance to do what he wants

Don't really know the moment you're talking about, but rakyaku's also explode. I'm asking that if they both explode, why would the rasenshuriken blast radius extend hundreds of meters if the rankyaku's explosion (which is more powerful) is pushing against it?

Does it explode? All I saw are wind slashes that are like a thing blade, it's also more likely they'll explode together and cause an even higher radius if that's the case.

So basically just Soru. Lucci's in his Hybrid state without using any amps is already early as fast as shunshin (not even a whole 2x faster). This is what that difference looks like. Lucci can literally transform into a full leopard, which gives enough of a boost to close that gap. And then he has life return, which makes him slimmer and even faster than that.

You're greatly overplaying the speed of shunshin. This is how far slower characters than Lucci treated other 1c attacks.

I'm talking about substitution not shunshin. Your link is taking me to NFL on YouTube so idk. It's not like soru, that's a speed amp, substitution isn't. It just has really weird mechanics that makes the whole process take a lot of time that someone in battle isn't supposed to have , which ends up making you hard to pin down even against faster opponents

I strongly disagree. Even larger scale attacks like that can be dodged with Kami-e. Plus, base Lucci's tekkai could tank base Luffy's strongest attack, which scale to over 18.7 Gigatons. At Lucci's peaks, it's going to literally take a TBB to even break through his tekkai. Anything else is getting reflected. And for that, he's able to use his speed to lessen the impact of direct attacks.

A gap of 8x is needed to fracture your opponent's skull in one hit, and the gap between Lucci's Hybrid and a TBB is 8.5x. Tekkai is an amp that allows characters to no-sell even their own attacks. I think that Lucci could take a could of TBB at least before going down due to Zoan fruit users' increased regeneration and recoverability.

It's a big if for lucci to survive one tbb attack . Mind you this is uncharged so it means it's very easy to spam it so he would have to deal with a lot of them which span hundreds of Kms sometimes

Lucci wincon here is being able to get around substitution and pin him down, while naruto just needs to fire a couple of tbb or land a rasenshuriken, while having a slight speed advantage. Naruto has the higher odds of winning IMO. Much higher odds.

Oh and I have to ask, is lucci big enough to hold kurama down?

 

[Kachon123]

He would realise close combat isn't the way and then switch to range attacks, one leap from kurama away (which is better than his shunshin) and he'd have enough distance to do what he wants

Problem is that Lucci would never give Naruto that much space. He's an aggressive-type Zoan and his fighting style revolves around chasing the opponent down with his superior speed

Does it explode? All I saw are wind slashes that are like a thing blade, it's also more likely they'll explode together and cause an even higher radius if that's the case.

They do.

That's now how explosions work... They would clash against each other and the rasenshuriken explosion would expand backwards since a stronger force is pushing from the front.

I'm talking about substitution not shunshin. Your link is taking me to NFL on YouTube so idk. It's not like soru, that's a speed amp, substitution isn't. It just has really weird mechanics that makes the whole process take a lot of time that someone in battle isn't supposed to have , which ends up making you hard to pin down even against faster opponents

The video shows a 1.5x speed difference between people, which is also the difference between Hybrid Lucci without his speed amps and shunshin.

So it's teleportation?

It's a big if for lucci to survive one tbb attack . Mind you this is uncharged so it means it's very easy to spam it so he would have to deal with a lot of them which span hundreds of Kms sometimes

Scan?

Oh and I have to ask, is lucci big enough to hold kurama down?

What is Kurama's accepted size?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Problem is that Lucci would never give Naruto that much space. He's an aggressive-type Zoan and his fighting style revolves around chasing the opponent down with his superior speed

It doesn't matter because Naruto is faster and can make 2k clones to distract lucci

They do.

That's now how explosions work... They would clash against each other and the rasenshuriken explosion would expand backwards since a stronger force is pushing from the front.

No it's the shockwave that would expand backwards, the attack itself just explodes with the bigger one. Actually it's only if the have exactly force that what you're saying could happen

The video shows a 1.5x speed difference between people, which is also the difference between Hybrid Lucci without his speed amps and shunshin.

You can't use that. It's a race, it's different from combat, it also ignores context of upscaling

So it's teleportation?

It's not. I've already explained, you just go and pick a log and replace yourself and then hide. You do all that and your opponent doesn't realise it.

Scan?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arc7Kuroi/Bijuudama_Orgy
For the diameter

What is Kurama's accepted size?

Not sure . He's type 2 though so maybe a couple hundred meters or less

 

[Pluto321]

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[Delusionaltx2]

The problem is that Lucci is just far faster. I'll put it into perspective.

Water 7 Luffy was 0.334313c, and base Lucci was able to easily perception blitz him and people faster than him.
He has 3 speed amping transformations on top of this, with his Soru stacking as well. Substitution isn't fast enough to dodge Lucci.

Substitution is thought-based; he notices Lucci move a little bit, and he uses it

Danger sense also isn't going to be very helpful when Lucci has one of his own has has fought people who have experience battling against it.

Has luccis experience with danger sense allowed him to counter it so badly it becomes useless? I.E, luffy vs kat

It's the other way around. Shunshin is only really helpful when the amp allows the user to blitz the opponent to switch, but the speed gap just isn't there. Lucci's normal Hybrid form is less than 2x slower than it.

Thats still a speed difference

Lucci's Life Return state grants him a massive speed boost, and then his Soru/Kamisoru are both FTE amps on top of that. I'm not convinced that Naruto will be able to keep up. Especially with how aggressive Lucci is.

Once again, lucci would have to deal with tagging 1 outta like a thousand different Naruto, all with danger sense + naruto tends to use his clones to make openings in the opponents' defenses and has done so against characters before

Lucci is a very smart fighter and can find out weaknesses quickly. He's not going to let Naruto summon clones.

Unless lucci is statuing naruto to the point he can't make a hand gesture (in which case this is a stomp) then he can't do anything about it\

He'd use his speed and blitz around attack vitals.

He heals or uses kurama avatars for defense

There's a massive size difference. Lucci's finger alone is the size of Naruto's torso. And since when in that form he's capable of perception blitzing both him and his danger sense, Naruto would need to. be able to regenerate from something like this, which would require Mid, or even High Mid regeneration to deal with.

You're using a shot of luccis body to argue luccis finger size?

Here we see pre-timeskip luffys body (who is smaller than naruto btw) in comparison to Luccis fingers and we see that they are not that big

Lucci's instinct would allow him to figure out the real Naruto, and he's trained and smart enough to understand that he needs hand signs.

If neji, who had the ability to literally see chakra signitures couldn't do so I fail to see why lucci would be able to

That doesn't give an answer to how he handles Lucci. Saying he's fooled people without explaining what he's actually going to do to someone who is far stronger, faster, likely more skilled, and more lethal.

- Lucci isn't exactly "stronger" unless you're reffering to LS which isn't as bad as AP

- Luccis speed as already brought up can be handled with clone shinengans and arguably better danger sense since this version of lucci dosen't have advanced CoO

...What? The fact that they are that much slower is proof enough. For example, this is a speed gap much smaller than the one between Lucci and Naruto:

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Now try doing this to like a thousand of the same guy at the same time...you'd see that it takes way more time to do so

Nothing Naruto will do can catch Lucci off-guard. Especially not when he's a very experienced fighter in a world with wide variety of powers he can encounter.

So has lucci ever had to fight like 1000 characters within his tier?

I strongly disagree. Even larger scale attacks like that can be dodged with Kami-e.

This is not comparable

https://file.garden/aAv8Tf1GM0PQF1Jd/1300506_835465_784_1200.jpeg

Plus, base Lucci's tekkai could tank base Luffy's strongest attack, which scale to over 18.7 Gigatons. At Lucci's peaks, it's going to literally take a TBB to even break through his tekkai. Anything else is getting reflected.

Lucci almost lost contiousness after tanking that, he isn't just shrugging off attacks that scale that high he's just hanging on

Lucci at his strongest is around 2.4x more durable than naruto in KCM, a normal rasengan could allow 8A part 1 naruto to one shot 7B kabuto

Odama rasengan is even stronger than this...lucci isn't tanking more than maybe one at most

And for that, he's able to use his speed to lessen the impact of direct attacks.

A single TBB is like 8.58x greater than luccis best unless his speed allows him to lessen stuff that much stronger than him I don't see this being enough

A gap of 8x is needed to fracture your opponent's skull in one hit, and the gap between Lucci's Hybrid and a TBB is 8.5x. Tekkai is an amp that allows characters to no-sell even their own attacks. I think that Lucci could take a could of TBB at least before going down due to Zoan fruit users' increased regeneration and recoverability.

Now what happens when naruto starts firing more?

He never really is open because his Tekkai will just reflect any attack because of his LS and durability.

He needs to stand still to do that which leaves him vulnerable to cellular dura neg from rasenshuriken

That's Low-Mid. To regenerate from an impact dial you'd need Mid regeneration, as is completely destroys the spinal cord. Rokuogan is several times more potent than that, and Ultimate Radius Rokuogan.

This is clearly more in reference to it targeting the spin rather than destroying it as to say it fully dura negs the spin would be contradicted by the fact luffy could still stand up after getting it by this

 

[Popbum]

Leaning more towards naruto. Lucci having no way to tell the difference between naruto and his clones is gonna give naruto the opportunity to nuke him with tbb’s while Lucci is gonna be forced to deal with clones attacking from all angle, with little idea of what naruto is doing. Only way I could see Lucci possibly being able to track naruto is if he’s able to land a strike on naruto and track him via the scent of blood which wouldn’t be reliable with how smart naruto is.