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Nasuverse Discussion Board 28
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Also I am not giving it flak, I love the Verse, and it is becuase of that that I want it to be properly portrayed, and not go off of mistranslations, ignoring of Macromechanics, and overly literal readings.
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Last Encore is what happens if Hakuno chooses Nero as their servant, but loses their fight with Saver at the end of Extra. The moon cell only somewhat changes due to direct interference. It's the same moon cell
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on an unrelated note the Death Battle research team thankfully uses Multi+ fate so there's no need to worry about it in a DB
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I hope you're kiddingJohn985 said:
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Don't underestimate their incompetenceZephyrosOmega said:
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Why?
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you can literally see kirsche in the comments takling about it in the link i sent. In fact, they accepted 2-A LONG before this site did.Dangai Ichigo said:
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Also to Zephyros, that Thread repeatedly proves me correct, though it uses information going against its point as proof of it. Like "it ca be infinite, thus it is..." despite the fact it just talked about how it was indeed finite.
Also Amaterasu was never stated to be able to destroy the multiverse, but rather the Trichilliocosm, which is a single universe. Multiverse is such a mistranslation.
As stated by Sleepy
"Pretty sure there's a mention of Tamamo saying Amaterasu can destroy the multiverse
the JP uses õ©ëÕìâõ©ûþòî though which doesn't TL to multiverse at all"
It translates to Trichillocosm, so that part was just wrong, and by scaling Saver based on it, it is way high-balling them.
Also Amaterasu was never stated to be able to destroy the multiverse, but rather the Trichilliocosm, which is a single universe. Multiverse is such a mistranslation.
As stated by Sleepy
"Pretty sure there's a mention of Tamamo saying Amaterasu can destroy the multiverse
the JP uses õ©ëÕìâõ©ûþòî though which doesn't TL to multiverse at all"
It translates to Trichillocosm, so that part was just wrong, and by scaling Saver based on it, it is way high-balling them.
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So uhh whats going on here???
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Are you trying to poke the bear Zephyros, fine I'll take that bait, as there is simply no proof at all of 1-C. Not even misreadings, it simply doesen't exist. If its from 6-D Avalon, this proves it to not be 1-C
"This rating can be reached by 5 and 6-dimensional constructs and spaces when they are either of an infinite (or otherwise non-insignificant) size or portrayed as qualitatively greater than lower-dimensional objects in their setting, or alternatively, one can also qualify for its lower end by creating and/or destroying an uncountably infinite number of universes, or more generally, showcasing uncountably infinite power/size when compared to 4-D beings or objects."
A Higher-Dimensional rating does not immediatly constitute a higher tier.
"However, higher-dimensionality is indeed a valid way to jump unto higher tiers if the higher-dimensional being / object in question is either treated as being infinitely and/or qualitatively above lower-dimensional ones specifically because of their dimensionality, or is provably infinite, in which case it is equated to the size of the entire n-dimensional real coordinate space in which it resides. See this page for more information."
And Avalon is said to be 6-D, but is not shown to be infinitely greater than anything else.
"This rating can be reached by 5 and 6-dimensional constructs and spaces when they are either of an infinite (or otherwise non-insignificant) size or portrayed as qualitatively greater than lower-dimensional objects in their setting, or alternatively, one can also qualify for its lower end by creating and/or destroying an uncountably infinite number of universes, or more generally, showcasing uncountably infinite power/size when compared to 4-D beings or objects."
A Higher-Dimensional rating does not immediatly constitute a higher tier.
"However, higher-dimensionality is indeed a valid way to jump unto higher tiers if the higher-dimensional being / object in question is either treated as being infinitely and/or qualitatively above lower-dimensional ones specifically because of their dimensionality, or is provably infinite, in which case it is equated to the size of the entire n-dimensional real coordinate space in which it resides. See this page for more information."
And Avalon is said to be 6-D, but is not shown to be infinitely greater than anything else.
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so you gonna make a CRT or
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"It is a Noble Phantasm at the level of magic, that completely shuts out all physical interference, transliners from parallel worlds, and communication from other dimensions (up to the sixth).
If Saber secludes herself with this, none will be able to reach her" - https://www.tmdict.com/en/su.avalo
If Saber secludes herself with this, none will be able to reach her" - https://www.tmdict.com/en/su.avalo
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Yeah, I'll make one tomorrow, I am getting tired of arguing today.
And that is not enough to qualify one as 1-C. As it does not show degrees of infinity beyond the standard universal model. Not even one. At best it would classify as being Defensive 1-C when activated. And as Avalon hasen't been broken it cannot be scaled to Offense for any character. Much less be used as the Tier for Saber.
These dimensions are shown as purely spacial, and not shown as levels of infinite transcendence.
And that is not enough to qualify one as 1-C. As it does not show degrees of infinity beyond the standard universal model. Not even one. At best it would classify as being Defensive 1-C when activated. And as Avalon hasen't been broken it cannot be scaled to Offense for any character. Much less be used as the Tier for Saber.
These dimensions are shown as purely spacial, and not shown as levels of infinite transcendence.
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1.) i don't think she had it long enough for it to be relevant on a profile, but it could be listed in her abilities section iirc (As in i think there was something about it there, currently)
2.) "Parallel worlds" - There is an infinite set of those and could be more. That is a degree of infinity
3.)I'll be eating popcorn for this thread
2.) "Parallel worlds" - There is an infinite set of those and could be more. That is a degree of infinity
3.)
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One last thing before I go:
It is stated that there are not infinite worlds as the World itself limits it so such a thing doesen't happen. It is literally stated explicitly that there is not an infinite set of parallel worlds. I don't get why people hold onto something so tightly when it is explicity stated to not be the case, and shown to not be the case, on multiple occasions.
It is stated that there are finite worlds that could be infinite, not infinite that could be degrees of infinity.
Nasu also uses Infinite often, but it is for flaire, as stated above by Sleepy, who read the works in Japanese and English, and states that the Offical Translations are not to be trusted due to how ludicriously inaccurate they are.
It is stated that there are not infinite worlds as the World itself limits it so such a thing doesen't happen. It is literally stated explicitly that there is not an infinite set of parallel worlds. I don't get why people hold onto something so tightly when it is explicity stated to not be the case, and shown to not be the case, on multiple occasions.
It is stated that there are finite worlds that could be infinite, not infinite that could be degrees of infinity.
Nasu also uses Infinite often, but it is for flaire, as stated above by Sleepy, who read the works in Japanese and English, and states that the Offical Translations are not to be trusted due to how ludicriously inaccurate they are.
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The World limits it?
By pruning worlds that are infinite down? Doesn't that mean they were infinite before?
This is like on of the first things debunked about it during the 2-A Upgrade. Along with "Mooncell worlds are not real"
By pruning worlds that are infinite down? Doesn't that mean they were infinite before?
This is like on of the first things debunked about it during the 2-A Upgrade. Along with "Mooncell worlds are not real"
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You really could just post sources to be a bit more credibleZouken said:
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Why do people only look at the 1st 10 minutes of the altera route when we get additonal information at the very end of her route as well??
1.) Quantum Timelocks don't immediately kill of worlds https://i.imgur.com/5xiJtnJ.jpg
2.) Before a Quantum Timelock goes off. There is other possibilities that extend off from that timeline https://i.imgur.com/oLbUTQZ.jpg
1.) Quantum Timelocks don't immediately kill of worlds https://i.imgur.com/5xiJtnJ.jpg
2.) Before a Quantum Timelock goes off. There is other possibilities that extend off from that timeline https://i.imgur.com/oLbUTQZ.jpg
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Eh, people only question the translations if they lead to high Tiers (Amaterasu destroying Multiverse)
It's fine if the scans lead to lower Tiers (Parallel Worlds "endlessly expanding", opposed to most "expanded to infinite")
It's fine if the scans lead to lower Tiers (Parallel Worlds "endlessly expanding", opposed to most "expanded to infinite")
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Friendly reminder that Suzuka called BB a boomer in the Trail Quest
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Lol
Weren't they like, in the same era?
BB in CCC, Suzuka in CCC Foxtail
Weren't they like, in the same era?
BB in CCC, Suzuka in CCC Foxtail
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Zouken downplaying is getting out of the hand
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Anyone got the hook-up yet? I totally skipped past it by accident and have regretted it since...BakiHanma18 said:
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You know you can go through event cutscenes in the My Room materials right?
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N O I D I D N O TMonarch Laciel said:
Thanks Monarch lol
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That, sir, is how we manage to get screenshots of Chapters we altready completed for reference during revisions.
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I swear all of these people who want to dowmgrade 2-A rating haven't read any of the threads. All of their questions and arguments are addressed there. Multiple times.
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1. Calm down
2. Wait for the guy the make the CRT and continue it there.
3. I think it's time we move on to the next discussion Thread.
2. Wait for the guy the make the CRT and continue it there.
3. I think it's time we move on to the next discussion Thread.
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Swag make sense tbh, its like peoples didn't read many of the previoud threads that upgrading it to 2-A
And of course, trust to Gin
And of course, trust to Gin
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Just show Toda Mikuki to them. Watch in amusement as they don't know what to do.BakiHanma18 said:
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Sorry, it wasn't debunked.ShinyMagicalGirl said:
What I said was just thrown to the side. I even used explicit statements about infinite possibilities being mentioned, as the OP loved to bring up, yet further down the statements, infinitely growing but finitely number universes were once agai mentioned and outright confirmed.
2-A is indeed bullshit where I stand from, and it feels at times lately people just agree with stuff without actually trying to look more into it.
But the CRT has been done with for a long time, and arguing this goes nowhere unless it is made in a new CRT. Dropping this is for the best. Arguing in any earnest matter about stuff like tier in a discussion thread just feels like a waste of energy.
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Hell yeah brother, I'm saving this one for when we have starting restrictions (like "AP can only be Wall level" or something) so I can amp with "Strength is Infinite"LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
