Its not a problem, its just that I wanted to make sure the location was the same since that gives Niko a rather serious terrain knowledge advantage over Trevor.
Trevor Eats Merryweather Mercs who have combat experience all over Africa, The middle East, South America, Former Soviet Countries ETC, for Breakfast.
Trevor has those 2, in fact he has better Explosives and grenade launchers, Trevor has A Semi Auto Grenade launcher, a homing launcher, A minigun, and a ******* Railgun, all of those are massively amped in Red mist.
Bruh What? They have operations all over Europe, and specifically former Soviet Countries, so likely. Not to mention they got operations all over the middle East. So their Combat Skill and experience ain't to be doubted.
Fair enough, but various characters on site, have non canonical, optional equipment, and OP said Fully equipped.
Yeah I remember that, But don't compare some random criminal, to a dude who can single handedly break into a Military base to steal a military helicopter, a guy who aired out that same base jus cuz some soliders made fun of his accent. Also, is Trevor unable to take cover as well lol? Good luck Niko, have to reload your RPG while Trevor, just Spams his Revolving Grenade launcher.
I didn't say that. But it does make you extremely dangerous, bcuz you're extremely unpredictable. According to this site, Michael is the most trained of the Trio. Even he agreed that Trevor could take him. "Yeah that's you're ******* deranged" The Joker doesn't have any training yet he could hold his own against Batman. You saw what he did to Johnny, who has Niko's moveset. Yes, I know he was addicted to Meth, but still, Trevor plays no rules, and ambushed and attacked him like an animal.
I agree that they should logically be pretty skilled due to being soldiers, but the rest are just pure assumptions.
Cool, the Railgun is still not even listed on his profile, so moot point. I don't really agree with it being non-canon but multiple sites having non canonical equipment listed is not a strong point - two wrongs don't make a right.
Marty Boldenow is not an average criminal either, hence the most wanted status. You don't get that for stealing a bag of chips out of a supermarket.
Michael agreeing that Trevor could take him is not really that amazing. They were talking about a physical confrontation, not an all-out gunfight. Context matters.
Being able to kill a killer whale is not too great of an AP feat when compared to tanking car and truck crashes which Niko can do.
What's not to say Niko will spam attacks as well? This is a hardened, former kid soldier that we're talking about, and he's been in many situations where it's reasonable enough for him to spam attacks: fighting his way out of a warehouse after being set up, Roman being kidnapped by the Russian mafia, shooting through the Russian mafia to strike revenge on Dimitri, avenging Kate's/Roman's death, etc.
Ok? When has Trevor done anything on The Joker's level? How is Trevor's H2H skills gonna be on par with a war veteran trained in Krav Maga?
It takes numerous hits for him to do that, so I doubt he'd fully scale to a killer whale.
Niko still has the capabilities to outlast because Red Mist lasts 30 seconds, not 24 hours or something. And as Schwxnz said, all it does is give Trevor some extremely vague AP boost that wouldn't one-shot Niko.
What assumptions am I making? Their website states all the countries they have been operating in. Trevor and the other protags kill scores of them during the game, it's a wild assumption to assume that the Soldiers Niko fought with and against are any better. Especially when you consider the fact that they have billions of
worth of fundingNow that I checked again, it actually is via the link to Weapons in GTA V page on the GTA wiki, it is strong point. It's ok to use optional equipment on here, and especially considering OP said they are allowed everything here, sooo.
Compared to Trevor he is.
It's going to be hard for Niko to spam RPGs when Trevor is doing the same. Or when he could just cover the place with sticky bombs, and tear gas.
Dude, I literally acknowledged this. Just that Trevor is ruthless and crazy
TFW you just discribed literally every one in GTA LMFAO. He's fighting a guy who is virtually invincible. So dats nothing.
I think I agree with you that he wouldn't get many hits in, but that it would be dangerous still. Especially when he could One shot Mike and Frank who have similar feats (which to be fair they can also do) and in this state he got at least dura sooo, and he used to have building level AP as well. So vague yeah, but still a big amp
He could, but he'll have trouble cuz, like I just explained, he'll have a hard time with an old RPG, because he'll have to keep reloading it after each shot. Trevor has If i ain't mistaken 10 shots straight with Grenade launcher.
I kinda explained why I used it in the initial reply. It shows just How crazy Trevor can be.
That goes for both of them. Trevor's never fought nobody as Skilled as Niko. Niko's never fought nobody as deranged (well maybe Eddie Low) or as strong as Trevor. In red Mist Trevor has building level dura. Niko ain't harming him
Don't matter. It's extremely telling that he could even Harm a killer whale in the first place given their size. Nothing Niko does suggests he would be Capable of doing the same.
Also, that's what I said. I meant in a fistfight. I said nothing about a gunfight.
Maybe, but good luck doing that against a guy who has better weapons and who already seems to Have the AP advantage and everything he has becomes more powerful, and in that state becomes even more accurate
Apart from the rampage mission, where did Trevor even kill any of them?What assumptions am I making? Their website states all the countries they have been operating in. Trevor and the other protags kill scores of them during the game, it's a wild assumption to assume that the Soldiers Niko fought with and against are any better. Especially when you consider the fact that they have billions of
That is an assumption. It is not supported that they have gone through the same things as Niko.
I suppose I got that wrong, but I think the Railgun used to be considered non-canon on here.
How come? Isn't a most wanted status the exact same thing Michael had been given before he faked his own death? Trevor does not make Michael look like an average criminal, now does he?
Because throwing sticky bombs and tear gas is definitely not much slower than Niko blasting him with rockets.
Damn bro he killed someone too mentally weak to properly defend himself
If "literally everyone" in GTA can do something considerably better than your proposed AP feat, does that not mean that said feat is just straight up not that great here?
For thirty seconds. Big whoop.
I do agree that the thirty seconds of red mist would definitely be the most dangerous to Niko, but that's just thirty seconds. Niko is absolutely able to outlast him.
yeah other than the fact that Niko scales to a feat that is > killer whales
Okay, my bad, but that is still not a good point lol. Michael is comparatively not great at H2H combat and out of shape by the time GTA V takes place.
Uhhhh throughout the whole ******* game as Trevor Robs their Boats, and Trains. Really?
It is supported that have been waging wars by Trevor. On various continents. They're hardened. Just cuz they haven't fought Niko Bellic don't mean they're inferior to him or anyone he's fought. I stand by this, it's a big assumption to claim this. They fight several wars across the Middle East and Africa.
I don't remember that being stated on the profiles.
Not really. Many criminals are more dangerous than others.
Gonna be a pain in the ass when those sticky bombs disrupts him from doing that. Along with slowing starting to pass out from tear gas Especially when Trevor has a Grenade launcher.
No because Killing a whale is much better. They would not be phased by a car in the slightest.
Dats a long ass time to fight someone who's invincible.
Why not lol it's still a feat they all perform it ain't like DB where the get less durable when their guards are let down.
Franklin harm's one here it's very hard to do.
Yeah, but Michael is still pretty athletic, as he overall that guy on the boat who was huge with one hand.
Wasn't the train he robbed from Merryweather instead of the military? Just like the boat he stole the submarine from...?
You seem to think that each individual soldier went through multiple wars. I can't really stress how unlikely that is because, you know, people die in war. Assuming them to have some experience is fine, but anything beyond that seems to be pure guesswork.
Moot point. See above.
For starters: Railguns generally fire at about Mach 6 and there's no "Hypersonic attack speed with Railgun" on his profile. Regardless, I was mostly thinking about something that was talked about in a thread a couple of years back.
And I think a trigger-happy Rocket Launcher and AK-47 wielding gang member with a "most wanted" status can be safely assumed to be of the dangerous sort.
Gonna be a pain in the ass for Trevor to set up a trap given that Niko has excessive prior knowledge on central part.
The highest end of the car-crash-tanking feat is still a bit higher than the killer whales KE.
It's not as bad when you considerably outskill your opponent.
Not my point. Don't you think it seems a little stupid for Trevor of all people to cower in fear? I really don't think that "feat" should be taken for granted.
That's not athleticism, that's physical strength.
I watched the vid & the punches were around more or less, 1:00 & 1:56. Orcas are big & I don't even know how many punches it would take to kill them in-game. This is a clear cut kill of cattle, but if it takes like a thousand or more punches to kill the Orcas should it be on the profile tho? I'm not sure if Franklin's hits even landed. I do know where to find an Orca beaching themselves in an in-game vid LOL.
My bad, We're having 2 different debates lol I thought you were talking about Merryweather. But If it's Military you're Asking about, He Breaks into Fort Zancudo to steal the Cargobob used for the Merryweather Heist. And The convoy That has the bombs suits for the paleto score. And Then there's his rampage mission, where in fact he could take out Multiple tanks.
"The folks waging outsourced shadow wars in twenty countries around the globe, and recently cleared to operate on US soil?"
Ahh ok.
The kind that Single handedly kills a small arny mercenaries in his home? The kind that kills a construction site full of Mobsters? The kind that almost single handedly wipe out cartel hitmen, an entire band of heavily armed meth dealers, extremely dangerous biker gangs? The kind that robs the biggest bank on earth? Talk about assumptions Earlier? This is the biggest one, honestly.
Whatchu mean? No mention of Prior knowledge in this fight.
Cuz he could spam them while firing at NB. Niko pulls an RPG Trevor Pulls an RPG. Or a Homing launcher. Or a grenade launcher where he has 10 shots of continuous fire.Try 2:03. But IDK I'm not sure if he landed so I'll try to find another vid, or make one myself.
Because that's totally a good debunk of it. In fact Trevor does weird stuff all the Time lol he's always sarcastic.
Fair enough.
True.
It's worse when his weapons are better than yours and they become stronger, and he even becomes more accurate.
Nah it's cool.
They might be better trained but that does not mean that they are more skilled. Training =/= skill. Not a single Merryweather mercenary has any actual skill feat.
Not only did I not equate him to any of the trio, but the point was moreso an supporting point regardless. I do think it's arguable for him to be as dangerous as Franklin though because his feats are pretty grounded when compared to pretty much any other protagonist (think he's around the same level as Johnny Klebitz, probably slightly inferior). Frank is great but he's not on the level of a most wanted criminal.
Location: Central Park, New York City.
He can't throw them very far while firing.
There was nothing sarcastic about the way he cowered in fear lmao. It's just a weird scene that shouldn't be taken for granted, he would really not be scared of either of the other protagonists nor would he let them hit him.
It's a bit worse, sure, but you can have the best and strongest weapons in the world and that won't do much good to you if your opponent considerably outskills you. The small boost in accuracy is also not too crazy, if it was something on the level of Michael's special ability I could see this as a good point.
You can't exactly just run in fort Zancudo without any response. It's always on sight of them.
Actually 90% of the time Better Trained does mean better skilled. Which is the point of my comparison. Who's more skilled? A dude who gets into a 100 fights a day, or a guy who is golden gloves boxer but has never been in a real fight his whole life?
Sorry, I thought that was being implied. The Frank claims we can debate that on the other thread, don't really feel like getting in it here.
Lol dumbass moment, my bad, I thought you meant he had prior knowledge of Trevor and his equipment.
True.
The rate of Fire the Grenade launcher would be a problem for him (I've brought this up numerous times)
Maybe lol, but hey, it's still there.
I've long agreed with you that Trevor is out skilled in H2H. As a gunman? No. No sir.
Trevor could've still just taken a car, driven as fast as possible until he spotted a Cargobob and then snatched it as soon as possible before the soldiers were able to retaliate. Hell, I'm fairly certain I did the mission like that.
The impressive part is Niko having fought in the second-worst European war with incredibly bad odds and still making it out alive, not just fighting some soldiers.
I mean the terrain knowledge advantage is a pretty huge one. I don't think Trevor would be able to trap him easily.
And just for you I'll acknowledge that so that you won't have to bring it up another time. Niko's rockets are still faster than the grenades and I think those could be dodged at long range.
I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced. That seems like pretty poor reasoning.
Initially, I would've agreed with you and considered them mostly equal, but by now I feel like what I considered to be Trevor's best skill feat isn't really skill related at all - the military rampage one. Since, you know, his durability is massively boosted and allows him to take attacks that normally one-shot him during those missions...
I tried it like that once, a tank showed up and blew my ass up. It's easier to go on foot.
Which is what I'm talking about. I'll stand on my previous reply. More experience, don't mean more Skilled. One more time. Better weapons, better training.
Fair enough
And vice versa. A large increase in Damage + small increase in accuracy, would be hell to deal with. Especially a homing launcher that tracks your movement and follows you.
Why? I think it makes sense. I mean, it's not like Trevor isn't afraid of anything. He is afraid of clowns
Well it's not like he took out an airfield full of the lost. It's not like he didn't crash a plane into a jumbo jet full of Merryweather operatives and killed them all, it's not like he downed IAA and Merryweather Choppers during the "Wrap up" Saving Michael and Dave's asses.
Whaa no
Okay, cool. Niko's taken out small armies of armed opponents numerous times, I'd like to see any of those featless soldiers doing that.
It's not like the increase in damage matters, one well placed shot and both of them are done for. And given that Niko is certainly quicker on the draw...
Are you calling Franklin and Michael clowns? Zamn
Washed up lost. Unprepared and probably understandably terrified Merryweather operatives. One of those choppers didn't know about his presence.
I was on my phone the first time I did it lol
It's GTA Everyone does that. Lol
It definitely matters.
I think it can lock on to humans too, but I could be wrong
Isn't Trevor one of the main reasons the lost is so washed up?
That doesn't make sense. They warned Trevor numerous times, so the dudes in board definitely knew he was coming. And for the choppers? I think he shoots down more of them later on.
The Merryweather feat is better than anything Niko does during the events of GTA 4
It's official: you > me.
If everyone and their mother can take down huge groups of armed opponents then I feel like it's wack to indicate each of those opponents to be capable of the same thing. Featless soldiers are not going to do the same things that Niko did, being a soldier isn't that great of an accomplishment in GTA on its own.
No, it doesn't, and you haven't even given a reason for this.
I checked and you're wrong - it only locks on to vehicles. So this is a bit of a moot point.
Yeah but mostly due to getting a lot of high-ranking members addicted to meth and having the GTA Online protag mess them up a few times, not due to killing them all by himself.
They knew he was coming, sure, but did they know that he was going to ******* crash his plane into their jet. They were most likely scared shitless.
Hell no. Sure, it's a better feat when it comes to his prowess when it comes to flying - he's the far better pilot, no doubt - but killing not even ten Merryweather mercs is not better than anything Niko does lol.
This was like 8 years ago so nah.
I'm starting to think you haven't played any GTA outside of IV and V lol. Yes literally everyone you play as in the series is capable of doing this.
Because if it's H2H Niko's in trouble. But maybe you're right. It likely wouldn't come to this.
It is. I'll Die on this hill.
