NNT: Fear Manip Discussion

[Jibz]

Why were they cut through like butter? They were relative and fear aura worked

I know power levels arent entirely an accurate measurement, but lets see:

Arthur - 40k
Cusack - 168k (As stated by Merlin in chp 286, furthermore she states Cusack is far above the ten commandments aswell)

 

[speedster352]

Was it explicitly stated that the souls of Excalibur were actually scared of Cusack?

speedster352 said:
Galand's sheer presence completely overwhelms Slader's Overpower magic, despite his magic working on Ash-Gray Hendrickson, a being far more powerful than Slader

speedster352 said:

• Aura, Fear Manipulation, Paralaysis Inducement, Enhanced Senses: Just with mere presence they can make a weaker being like Hendriskson feel fear and paralyzed. The Sins were scared by Monspeet's aura. Galand can make Diane scared, his sheer presence completely overwhelmed Slader's Overpower magic. And slader's overpower worked on grey demon Hendrickson who was way stronger than him.

 

[Jibz]

Was it explicitly stated that the souls of Excalibur were actually scared of Cusack?

"even the heroes are shrinking back in fear" seems to heavily imply the souls inside the sword are afraid aswell.

 

[thetechmaster36]

"even the heroes are shrinking back in fear" seems to heavily imply the souls inside the sword are afraid aswell.

Hmm, pretty sure that's still because of Arthur and Cusack's massive power difference.

 

[Majinere566]

I know power levels arent entirely an accurate measurement, but lets see:

Arthur - 40k
Cusack - 168k (As stated by Merlin in chp 286, furthermore she states Cusack is far above the ten commandments aswell)

That's the recorded power level for his released state, not base

 

[speedster352]

Hmm, pretty sure that's still because of Arthur and Cusack's massive power difference.

Why did Arthur cut through them like butter?

 

[Jibz]

That's the recorded power level for his released state, not base

yeesh mb mb, thats on me for reading a wiki page

 

[thetechmaster36]

Why did Arthur cut through them like butter?

They let themselves get hit so they could see how dangerous the sword was. Literally not even a minute later, they were back up on their feet, completely fine.

 

[Livinmeme]

...Anyway AP difference can't make souls spook out, at best it will be fear manip that only works if there is a AP difference...

 

[speedster352]

They let themselves get hit so they could see how dangerous the sword was. Literally not even a minute later, they were back up on their feet, completely fine.

Arthur still scales to them somewhat

 

[Jibz]

Hmm, pretty sure that's still because of Arthur and Cusack's massive power difference.

You can scare souls and not get fear manip, because its an AP difference? The more you know.

 

[Majinere566]

...Anyway AP difference can't make souls spook out, at best it will be fear manip that only works if there is a AP difference...

So limited fear manipulation?

 

[BOEGVELD]

It doesn’t need to be mentioned, you can visibly see that they are stronger.

They might be stronger in most cases, but that doesn't mean the fear was caused by their strength. Is there any evidence to say that the Demons' strength was a factor in scaring them?

 

[Elizhaa]

Cases like where fear manipulation could scare things like souls were stated to be feasible under Mystical of Fear Manipulation in the thread where fear manipulation was revised, and additions like the quote texts from the OP were made the Fear Manipulation; I could see fear manipulation still being fine.

Though, there might be a point about a caveat; it tends to take care of under standards battle assumptions:

However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

 

[speedster352]

I think fear manipulation or limited fear manipulation would be fine

 

[Rabbit2002]

Don't see why it should be deleted. Cusack and Chandler can cause fear to countless souls in the sword, which grants Arthur the power to help him damge Zeldris, Cusack, even cut Chandler's head, so Arthur with Excarlibur's powers shouldn't be weaker than them.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It was revealed right afterwards that Exaclibur Arthur did absolutely nothing to them.

 

[speedster352]

It was revealed right afterwards that Exaclibur Arthur did absolutely nothing to them.

Because they regened. He still cut through them like butter. It's not like they lowered their durabitly.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Because they regened. He still cut through them like butter. It's not like they lowered their durabitly.

No, they talked down to him and his lack of strength and their superiority.

 

[thetechmaster36]

No, they talked down to him and his lack of strength and their superiority.

Basically this. It's not like the Demons can't sense Arthur's magical power; they know that they're superior to him and would destroy him if not for him wielding Excalibur.

 

[Jibz]

Are yall still arguing whether or not this is fear manip? As we just had an admin conclude that it'd still be fear manip, as Cusack was capable of scaring souls.

 

[Antvasima]

Which administrator are you referring to?

 

[Rabbit2002]

Which administrator are you referring to?

Elizhaa

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Are yall still arguing whether or not this is fear manip? As we just had an admin conclude that it'd still be fear manip, as Cusack was capable of scaring souls.

One admin also disagrees, so why does it matter?

 

[Jibz]

One admin also disagrees, so why does it matter?

The entire discourse of soul based fear manip came AFTER Mitch had left, so they'd have no way of knowing Cusack could gain fear manip that way. Furthermore, i see nobody refuting Elizhaa's claim.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

The entire discourse of soul based fear manip came AFTER Mitch had left, so they'd have no way of knowing Cusack could gain fear manip that way. Furthermore, i see nobody refuting Elizhaa's claim.

I still disagree, as Cusack & Chandler are far stronger than the heroes, as well. They pretty much consider the whole sword a joke here, along with every hero who wielded it.

 

[Jibz]

I still disagree, as Cusack & Chandler are far stronger than the heroes, as well. They pretty much consider the whole sword a joke here, along with every hero who wielded it.

The fact they fear souls to me is supernatural / mystical in nature. It appears we've reached an impasse, i'll wait and see what people think about Elizhaa's suggestion in terms of agreement and disagreement. Since a majority of the current discussion is irrelevant to this specific suggestion.

Cases like where fear manipulation could scare things like souls were stated to be feasible under Mystical of Fear Manipulation in the thread where fear manipulation was revised, and additions like the quote texts from the OP were made the Fear Manipulation; I could see fear manipulation still being fine.

So people reading this: Y or N to Cusack getting fear manip due to scaring souls.. I'll tally the votes later.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Then we shall simply wait.

 

[Arkenis]

Definitely fear manipulation aura.

 

[speedster352]

I agree with elizha

 

[Antvasima]

@DemonGodMitchAubin

What do you think about this?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/nnt-fear-manip-discussion.135302/post-4685909

 

[BOEGVELD]

Is there an actual argument as to why it should be removed though? So far all that's being said is that the Demons're stronger, but not a single piece of evidence as to why their strength played a part in causing their fear. Plus there's Cusack & Chandler scaring souls.

 

[Arkenis]

Is there an actual argument as to why it should be removed though? So far all that's being said is that the Demons're stronger, but not a single piece of evidence as to why their strength played a part in causing their fear. Plus there's Cusack & Chandler scaring souls.

I also don't remember regular demons having this affect on people. Like gray demons or red demons I don't believe scare people cause they're stronger.

 

[speedster352]

I also don't remember regular demons having this affect on people. Like gray demons or red demons I don't believe scare people cause they're stronger.

Actually the holy knights were scared by the grey demon

 

[Arkenis]

Actually the holy knights were scared by the grey demon

but were always able to fight back?

 

[speedster352]

but were always able to fight back?

Yes after a while

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Cases like where fear manipulation could scare things like souls were stated to be feasible under Mystical of Fear Manipulation in the thread where fear manipulation was revised, and additions like the quote texts from the OP were made the Fear Manipulation; I could see fear manipulation still being fine.

Though, there might be a point about a caveat; it tends to take care of under standards battle assumptions:

Eh, this is fine

 

[Jibz]

W's

 

[speedster352]

W's

Also Zeldris and Meliodas aura also scared the souls of Excalibur

 

[Jibz]

Could you show this?