No More Ones! (Garou [One Punch Man]) vs Travis Touchdown [No More Heroes] REMATCH!)

[Arkansalter2]

Lets do it again!

Garou is Half-Monster in 7-C with any higher being restricted.
Travis is in his Travis Strikes Again key in 7-C
Speed is equalized
Who shall come out on top?

The Monster of an Anti-Hero:
The Monster of a dude with a sword: @Kazuma_kuwabara @Stillwinston
Overwatch:

 

[Armorchompy]

I'll wait for a proper debate but this is a Travis mid-diff in my opinion. Skill is close enough and we'll probably argue it a bunch (I feel like I've got a decent argument Travis holds the advantage), but P&A, versatility and overall lethality is a huge advantage for Travis. This debate was had before with their previous keys - ending in a Travis victory - and while Garou is quite a bit stronger now so is Travis.

Remind me, does Garou go for the kill off the bat in this key?

 

[Deadguy999]

Where can I find garou ap?

 

[Deadguy999]

Garou is capped at 7-C tho so he can only get to 4.184x10^14 Joules. Travis is 1.34025595 x 10^14 Joules I think so a 3x advantage

 

[Arkansalter2]

Remind me, does Garou go for the kill off the bat in this key?

WICF tears people to shreds so yeah.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Bump

 

[Stillwinston]

Atm I'm currently leaning on Travis from the last argument, if he gets one dark step off he can just time manip and slice off Garou's head from what I'm seeing? I think Garou does resist heat manip but I think Travis's stuff is above that?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What abt AD/RE?

 

[Stillwinston]

Would that save Garou from a decap? Travis's ESP is gonna tell him Garou's stronger too from what I've seen there is also Travis's precog which is going to make it hard to pin him down

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Would that save Garou from a decap?

He just grows to blitz him before travis lands a hit so yeah I'd say it does unless he has an immediate win condition

Travis's ESP is gonna tell him Garou's stronger too

I mean, that's cool but without a way to consistently end the fight fast enough, he can't really abuse that knowledge very well

from what I've seen there is also Travis's precog which is going to make it hard to pin him down

Precog still needs you to be fast enough to react

If he's just marching precog then odds are, garou grows to a point where he can blitz or even statue him and that's that

He can also grow up to 6-B with this too so he can definitely one shot him too

 

[Ebihara]

• Travis' ESP will immediately give him a pretty good idea of Garou's character and fighting ability, avoiding any big nasty surprises.
• Garou does not have resistance to heat manipulation, so Travis' beam katana (Basically a lightsaber) will chop him up pretty effectively on contact (worth noting they can easily cut up people comparable to Travis' AP, including himself even though he does resist heat). This also means he can't really reflect it with his bare hands, given that'd just chop up his fingers the second they make contact.
• Time manipulation is a massive edge. The amount by which it amplifies speed is such that even comparable foes are completely blitzed and I don't think the breathing would be enough to counter that (All it's doing is overwhelming people already individually inferior to Garou, and that's with the help of its Analytical Prediction on top, so frankly it seems rather minor - and even if it was a big boost the slow-motion barely lets you move in comparison to him so Travis would be a hell of a lot faster still).
  • Travis also has his own form of speed (and AP, and skill!) amp in the Tension Gauge, which means that as long as he does well fighting he'll get even faster and stronger. This is particularly relevant if Garou's reactive evo is an argument, because for it to kick in Garou would need to be losing, and if he is Travis will get his own amp and stay ahead. He can expend this for a super-powerful blitz-worthy amp (apologies for the weird music it's the only footage I have on hand LOL).
• Travis' Instinctive Reaction is so good that Garou will effectively never surprise him, and coupled with his precog he's really difficult to land a hit on (and really good at getting that one perfect dodge). These instincts are good enough that completely untrained people can learn how to fight at very high levels, and even react and fight very well while completely unconscious. Worth noting that the instincts of Badman, the POV of these feats, is someone explicitly worse than Bad Girl, his own daughter, who Travis is himself superior to by the end of the first game, and his skill improves afterwards. Badman and Bad Girl's profiles if you want them [Important to note Badman's profile only indexes his stronger state from a decade later, which is why his AP is higher than hers]. Even non-fighters (this guy ends up being trained by Travis and he's way weaker) can enter a state where their body responds automatically to every danger.
• Travis actually has at fairly comparable versions of most of Garou's own big abilities- he can reflect physical and energy attacks with his sword and his bare hands, he can counter complex barrages of attacks without even looking, he becomes stronger over time and his stamina is very much on par with Garou's
  
  Going to bring this over from the previous thread so we dont have to do this back and forth.

Source: @Armorchompy

 

[Stillwinston]

Iirc Garou resists heat manip in base key now, though as mentioned above Travis's stuff can cut people up comparable to him and himself so I guess it can still work on the former?

 

[Armorchompy]

He just grows to blitz him before travis lands a hit so yeah I'd say it does unless he has an immediate win condition

Travis is the better fighter and he also has his own perfect dodge blitzes he can summon up much more easily. Not that it matters because since Garou starts out slower he can't win via a blitz unless OP unequalizes speed.

I mean, that's cool but without a way to consistently end the fight fast enough, he can't really abuse that knowledge very well

Travis has a sword and uses it to chop off the guy's head or cut him in half.

He can also grow up to 6-B with this too so he can definitely one shot him too

"7-C with any higher being restricted"

 

[Arkansalter2]

Not that it matters because since Garou starts out slower he can't win via a blitz unless OP unequalizes speed.

I'll see.
I'll try to get ol buddy in here.

 

[Stillwinston]

Imo one thing I wanna check is if Garou's gonna be able to resist that heat manip from Travis's royalty free lightsaber or not, if not it makes landing a decap even easier ig

 

[Arkansalter2]

Imo one thing I wanna check is if Garou's gonna be able to resist that heat manip from Travis's royalty free lightsaber or not

I want to say maybe. Because on one hand, Garou in this key can resist extreme heat (to an unknown degree), however, the heat he takes were from Overgrown Rover who doesn't even have said power.
So maybe but likely no.
I WILL say this tho. He may develop that resistance, depending on how long it takes.

 

[Armorchompy]

Travis' heat... I think the best feat is Henry's chopping through a huge metal structure with a single attack. Also upscales over Travis being completely unaffected by gasoline fire.

 

[Stillwinston]

Hmmm from what's been said Travis might have a layered thing while Garou is a "Sort of" from the looks of it.

 

[Armorchompy]

I wouldn't really say heat has "layers" but I'd argue it's better, yes.

 

[Stillwinston]

Or at the very least has more showings? I'd say in that instance Travis coooooould decap Garou in that instance there

 

[Arkansalter2]

Or at the very least has more showings? I'd say in that instance Travis coooooould decap Garou in that instance there

He probably could. I'll wait to see if Kachon (who I summoned) or Tayman has anything to say about it.

 

[Kellex]

Bump

 

[Arkansalter2]

Bump. The summons didn't work so any votes?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Easy "MOE~" fra

 

[Stillwinston]

Eh guess I'll vote Travis here there for the time being, namely via precog, time manip and heated decap

 

[MrTayman616]

Travis' heat... I think the best feat is Henry's chopping through a huge metal structure with a single attack. Also upscales over Travis being completely unaffected by gasoline fire.

Based on this, i'd say Garou resists more than enough. Rover's energy balls can easily vaporize showerhead which he's made with similar materials (including metals like steel etc).

And his RE is more than enough to counter this regardless --> Garou evolving to tank an heat ball attack that would one-shot&vaporize him before it does.

Time manipulation is a massive edge. The amount by which it amplifies speed is such that even comparable foes are completely blitzed and I don't think the breathing would be enough to counter that (All it's doing is overwhelming people already individually inferior to Garou, and that's with the help of its Analytical Prediction on top, so frankly it seems rather minor - and even if it was a big boost the slow-motion barely lets you move in comparison to him so Travis would be a hell of a lot faster still).

This Garou's RE is busted. He's continuously getting visibly stronger and faster, can overcome death and regenerate (Limited Immortality Type 2 and Low-Mid) and get one-shot/blitz level above his stats. Even if we limit his AP, his speed increase doesn't change. Adding his skill and Awakened Breathing makes it even more.

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What's the current arguments?

 

[Armorchompy]

Based on this, i'd say Garou resists more than enough. Rover's energy balls can easily vaporize showerhead which he's made with similar materials (including metals like steel etc).

Scan?

And his RE is more than enough to counter this regardless --> Garou evolving to tank an heat ball attack that would one-shot&vaporize him before it does.

That uh, does not say he's going to be vaporized.

To be clear the swords also just cut as though they were... you know, swords. So it's not like they'll just bounce off Garou even if he manages to resist.

This Garou's RE is busted. He's continuously getting visibly stronger and faster, can overcome death and regenerate (Limited Immortality Type 2 and Low-Mid) and get one-shot/blitz level above his stats. Even if we limit his AP, his speed increase doesn't change. Adding his skill and Awakened Breathing makes it even more.

"Skill" isn't a category Garou has in the bag in this matchup, if you wanna have a debate about it sure but I'd confidently state Travis has an edge over him otherwise. And Garou's speed cannot grow much higher than Travis' since he's not allowed to win via a blitz, given he starts as the slower character.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Bump

 

[Arkansalter2]

Bump