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Nobara Downgrade

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Literally all of Nobara's keys are wrong, let's fix that

What went wrong​

Key 1​

Building level with Hairpin and Cursed Energy (She is a user of Cursed Energy, so she should be comparable to Itadori)
Being a user of Cursed Energy doesn't give you a scaling chain to Yuji. Even at this point Yuji is stronger than Maki without Cursed Energy (Even after training for the GWE, Nobara is still weaker than Maki, as she's knocked out by a single shot from Mai which Maki can easily counter, and even catch a bullet from Mai. Maki is also considered Grade 2 level at this point, while Nobara is Grade 3), his barely reinforced hits are stronger than an average sorcerer's as well.

Key 2​

Likely City Block level (She is a Sorcerer who attacks opponents physically, so she is likely comparable to Megumi. Could knock out Nishimiya with a mere toy hammer. Her cursed energy rivals Itadori's)
Not only is she weaker than Maki (who is 8-C) but also, being a sorcerer who attacks physically doesn't compare her to a more trained Megumi than the one who's grade 2 and attacks with physical strikes at the beginning of the series. To further this point, the scan for her being comparable to Yuji shows that in both physical strength and Cursed Energy Manipulation, she is below Megumi. Having Cursed Energy Manipulation comparable to Yuji doesn't make her comparable to Yuji either, as a large portion of his strength comes from his physicality. Momo doesn't even have a profile, and is probably weaker than Megumi and Maki anyways since she's around semi-grade 2.

Key 3​

At least City Block level physically, higher with weapons, even higher with Hairpin (Immeasurably stronger since the Goodwill event. Stronger than Shigemo and lost the fight only because of his Cursed Technique. Damaged a Mahito clone)
While she's probably not stronger than Shigemo, its irrelevant because he doesn't have a page or any scaling. Her damaging a Mahito clone is also irrelevant as his clones are weaker than his real self, in this case to an unquantifiable extent. This same clone that Nobara was fighting was killed in one hit by Yuji, so Nobara scaling to the same value as him doesn't make any sense.

How do we fix it?

Here
 
Also if Nobara is scaling to Semi-Grade 2 level in her second key she should scale to Grade 2 curses which are accepted as Small Building level
Not all grade 2s are that strong. That particular curse beat up an actual grade 2 in Megumi
 
Not all grade 2s are that strong. That particular curse beat up an actual grade 2 in Megumi
If Grade 2s vary that much in strength then I guess it's fine to not scale her to that one.
Semi-unrelated but Megumi's profile should get a rework too eventually
 
I guess just some minor grievances to point out.

Nobara, Yuji, and Maki were all recommended to be upgraded to Grade 1 by Mei Mei and Todo (Along with Megumi and Panda, but both are less important here).

This is because Nobara, Yuji, and Megumi all exorcised Special Grade Curses (The Finger Bearer, Kechizu, and Eso).

Choso stated his brothers could not be defeated by the Finger Bearer that Megumi ended up defeating, meaning they scale relative to it at the worst. Megumi stated the Finger Bearer is much stronger than the one Yuji was getting his ass beat by in the detention facility. Both of which have accepted 8-B calculations on the verse page. To further substantiate, Kechizu could endure numerous strikes from Yuji whom I've already stated Nobara exorcised with Hairpin. And she initially planned to fight Eso on her own.

Not taking any stance here, I'm just posting evidence that's inevitably going to be brought up in counterpoint to the OP. I don't disagree with the OP, but also don't agree. Just neutral. You all can form your own opinions from this evidence, but I'm not too interested in participating in the thread beyond this.
 
Nobara is clearly shown to not be grade 1 level in Shibuya
Nobara exorcised a heavily weakened Kechizu, and Eso doubted she could actually pull it off
Nobara never actually harms Kechizu at full power, only harming a weakened version of him with a Black Flash, and then an even weaker Kechizu dies to hairpin, which we rate as higher than her normal A.P already. Nobara planning on fighting Eso doesn't mean much on its own, especially when she figured she could take out Haruta and failed, and then tried to fight Mahito and failed
 
That doesn't show she's not Grade 1 at all. That just shows she thinks Nanami is the ideal/standard for Grade 1 Sorcerers. And Nanami is. He is an exceptional Grade 1 Sorcerer. There are obviously variances in ability between Grade 1 Sorcerers. "So this is what it means" means she is epitomizing him, seeing him as a gold standard for people of that level. Not implying she's not Grade 1 when she was literally recommended to be Grade 1 herself.
Uh, notice how the scan also says Nobara was weakened too. And this doesn't matter unless you can quantify how weakened Kechizu was, because there is no reason he should be weaker than a Semi-Grade 2 Curse when he himself is a Special Grade Curse. ESO doubted her, but his judgement isn't final. He was clearly wrong, because Nobara proceeded to kill him. He also believed Yuji wouldn't kill him before he could do something about it, and that he wouldn't drop his ability. But he ended up being wrong.

And what's funny is in your scan, the REASON he believed she couldn't kill Eso was because she was weakend

Quoting it: "But can that girl kill my brother in that condition?"

Him questioning her ability, and then being wrong about all the assumptions he made isn't evidence she's below Eso's level. Not by any meaningful amount anyways.
Nobara never actually harms Kechizu at full power, only harming a weakened version of him with a Black Flash, and then an even weaker Kechizu dies to hairpin, which we rate as higher than her normal A.P already. Nobara planning on fighting Eso doesn't mean much on its own, especially when she figured she could take out Haruta and failed, and then tried to fight Mahito and failed
That same weakened Kechizu takes hits from Yuji. Which is why I specifically sent Kechizu eating hits from Yuji when he was weakened. Not him eating hit from Yuji BEFORE being weakened. Nobara was also greatly weakened. And you can't quantify how weakened they are, so it doesn't really matter much. It evens out. Nobara planning to take on Eso does mean much, because it means after feeling his strength, and sensing his Cursed Energy, she was confident of being able to handle him in a 1v1. Not to mention she was still confident she could kill him after hitting him across the back of his head and feeling how tough he was.

She could have taken out Haruta. She wasn't aware of his technique, which is what was allowing him to win over her, because it grants him supernatural luck. Making him both unkillable while it's active, but also land his attacks with super accurate precision to weaken her.

She also didn't fail to fight Mahito. She beat the clone of Mahito it had to run away. And then the real one touched her across the face specifically because she let her guard down as stated by narration because she thought it was the clone who couldn't use Idle Transfiguration.

While I'm fine personally if Nobara isn't listed as 8-B, she should scale above the Semi-Grade 2 Curse for being able to take on a Special Grade Curse, and recommended to Grade 1 by other Grade 1 Sorcerers. Weakened or not, she TOO was weakened so that evens it out, and the fact you can't quantify how weakened he was means we have no reason to assume he was weaker than a Curse 4 Grades below him.

But I will say this; I think Nobara should be street level physically, and scale to a tangible tier with her nails. Not just "higher". Even if you don't for some weird reason want to scale her relative to someone she beat under equal conditions, her nails have their own feats like blowing trees up against Momo and blowing up the head of concrete Curses, etc. Which can ofc be calculated.
 
She also didn't fail to fight Mahito. She beat the clone of Mahito it had to run away. And then the real one touched her across the face specifically because she let her guard down as stated by narration because she thought it was the clone who couldn't use Idle Transfiguration
Well the problem with his clones in that instance is that we don't know how much weaker than him it is, like obviously we can assume its stronger than whatever thing but like we don't KNOW that, not definitively. Like yeah there's stuff later for the shit in the todo and yuji fight where we are given the ratio of the split of power between the clone and transfigured goons but not there so we really can't assume X level for the specifc clone Nobara fights and since we aren't told how strong it is or given the implication it just would be kinda void.


Otherwise though as far as the Death Puppet shit goes I'd say far higher is still the best option there
 
Well the problem with his clones in that instance is that we don't know how much weaker than him it is, like obviously we can assume its stronger than whatever thing but like we don't KNOW that, not definitively. Like yeah there's stuff later for the shit in the todo and yuji fight where we are given the ratio of the split of power between the clone and transfigured goons but not there so we really can't assume X level for the specifc clone Nobara fights and since we aren't told how strong it is or given the implication it just would be kinda void.


Otherwise though as far as the Death Puppet shit goes I'd say far higher is still the best option there
Sure. My point was that Nobara didn't "fail to fight" him. She got tricked after making him run for his life.

I personally think Street level physically while being somewhere in Tier 8 with Black Flash and Hairpin is best.
 
I know this is already accepted on her profile, which is why it's in the blog, but why does she have access to Black Flash in her second key? She hasn't performed it yet and sorcerers don't get Black Flash on their profiles unless they have done it. Her feats involving Black Flash are also relegated to her third key, so she really shouldn't have Black Flash in her second key.
 
I know this is already accepted on her profile, which is why it's in the blog, but why does she have access to Black Flash in her second key? She hasn't performed it yet and sorcerers don't get Black Flash on their profiles unless they have done it. Her feats involving Black Flash are also relegated to her third key, so she really shouldn't have Black Flash in her second key.
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her nails have their own feats like blowing trees up against Momo and blowing up the head of concrete Curses, etc. Which can ofc be calculated.
measured her blowing up the tree in the momo fight and it came out to Street to Street+ with Hairpin, would give a value to her second key's Hairpin if evaluated and accepted https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lilybitdun/JJK:_Nobara's_Fells_A_Tree
I couldn't find what you were referring to about her blowing up a concrete curse's head tho
 
I couldn't find what you were referring to about her blowing up a concrete curse's head tho
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Why would a mannequin be made out of concrete lol
Idk, it's a Cursed Doll/Spirit or whatever. I don't see why it would have to be made of the same stuff as an actual mannequin. I mean, look at its anime appearance. Its coloration is more akin to concrete. Same for how its head crumbles which looks more reminiscent of concrete rather than splintering wood.
 
measured her blowing up the tree in the momo fight and it came out to Street to Street+ with Hairpin, would give a value to her second key's Hairpin if evaluated and accepted https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lilybitdun/JJK:_Nobara's_Fells_A_Tree
I think the diameter for the tree is a little too small. Only 25cm thick. Which is like... around 10 inches. But we see the tree compared to Momo here (Bottom panel)
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And see it compared to Nobara when crouching here
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You also have peeps sitting right in front of the trees in this forest that make their diameter seem larger than merely 25cm
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Keep in mind, the average head is around 20cm tall. And the trunks thickness is notably larger than these peeps heads. I would expect closer to 40-50cm.
 
I think the diameter for the tree is a little too small. Only 25cm thick. Which is like... around 10 inches. But we see the tree compared to Momo here (Bottom panel)
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And see it compared to Nobara when crouching here
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You also have peeps sitting right in front of the trees in this forest that make their diameter seem larger than merely 25cm
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Keep in mind, the average head is around 20cm tall. And the trunks thickness is notably larger than these peeps heads. I would expect closer to 40-50cm.
Momo is closer to the POV than the tree, she isn't on the plane of the tree
Angle makes it too hard to measure based off Nobara plus similar problem with the momo one
My measurement is consistent with the measured tree diameter in this accepted calc; SunDaGamer measured it 25.3cm while mine measures it 25.0278cm https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SunDaGamer/Jujutsu_Kaisen_Chapter_38_Feats
 
Momo is closer to the POV than the tree, she isn't on the plane of the tree
Angle makes it too hard to measure based off Nobara plus similar problem with the momo one
My measurement is consistent with the measured tree diameter in this accepted calc; SunDaGamer measured it 25.3cm while mine measures it 25.0278cm https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SunDaGamer/Jujutsu_Kaisen_Chapter_38_Feats
I guess I won't push too much, but regardless of that, we can both agree that the tree in the chapter appears far larger than 25cm, no?

I mean look at some of the trees around them:
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Even with them being decently in front of the cut down tree, its thickness looks greater than 25cm (Second panel)
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And with Nobara laying right in front of it here it also looks thicker.
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All the students are fighting in different areas, so the trees being different sizes is feasible (The ones where Maki and Miwa were fight at were super skinny for instance)
 
I guess I won't push too much, but regardless of that, we can both agree that the tree in the chapter appears far larger than 25cm, no?
Yeah I think so, but I'd prefer measuring the tree size in the feat rather than measuring a tree in a different scene/location in the forest and assuming the tree Nobara fell was the same size
you can see how inconsistent the tree sizes are in just this page lol
 
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