Oetsu Nimaiya Pack

[Adam1396]

In this fight with elite guards Nimaiya killed Gerard and Pernida effectively.

Lillie is excluded because he needs to activate his shrift and he couldn't during this battle. While for the other 2 , none of them needed and shown to activate their shrift in the later battles and regenerated from far worst initial injuries.

Added: Gerard dies in single slash here while he regenerated from head getting blown off later. It's much more possible to activate shrift after getting such slash than getting head blown off. This addresses the concern about gerard's shrift activation. Furthermore lillie explicitly states such things shouldn’t be able to kill gerard, askin implies so with his reactions as well.

Why it's not power nullification? Nimaiya explicitly mentions his sword kills in one hit , which is tied to immortality and regeneration rather than power nullification. Further he was able to kill askin after 3 hits, who had more than enough time to analyze nimaiya's reatsu and attack.
My proposal is nimaiya should have Immortality negation (type 3,8), regeneration negation (mid godly) through Sayafushi since he negated those of
Gerard https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gerard_Valkyrie
and
Pernida. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pernida_Parnkgjas
And
Reactive evolution negation
He was able to negate it of all 3 of them.

Askin Nakk Le Vaar

Askin Nakk Le Vaar (アスキン・ナックルヴァール, Asukin Nakkuruvāru?) is a Quincy and a member of the Wandenreich's Sternritter with the designation "D" - "The Deathdealing", as well as one of Yhwach's Schutzstaffel (親衛隊シュッツシュタッフェル, Shuttsushutafferu?) German for "Protective Echelon", Japanese for...

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Agree: FinePoint, Ralp0054
Disagree:

 

[Specterxxxx]

Following

 

[FinePoint]

Could you link to the characters, please?

 

[Adam1396]

Could you link to the characters, please?

Done

 

[Ralp0054]

following, it's not irrational.

 

[FinePoint]

Done

I do not see anything wrong with this.

Though if this is only possible with the sword, be sure to specify that or list it as an ability of the equipment.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Do we know if gerard activated his shrift here? Because it is only until later he does when he fights the gotei 13 members in warwehlt iirc. I guess pernida's is fine.

 

[Ralp0054]

Do we know if gerard activated his shrift here? Because it is only until later he does when he fights the gotei 13 members in warwehlt iirc. I guess pernida's is fine.

It seems not active, Immo Negation Type 8 may be suspicious

 

[Specterxxxx]

It seems not active, Immo Negation Type 8 may be suspicious

Maybe the op can address that.

 

[Ralp0054]

Maybe the op can address that.

Yes, I think the rest is with regeneration negation (High-mid) already certain with Pernida

 

[Adam1396]

Maybe the op can address that.

I have already addressed that in the op.
Gerard didn’t have to activate his shrift in battle with gotei. And he got far far worst damage. Literally got his head blown up.

Also lilli even remarks that it can't possibly kill gerard, askin gives a reaction which aren't present for pernida's case. So gerard's case is definitely stronger than pernida.

I still added an elaborated explanation.

 

[Adam1396]

I do not see anything wrong with this.

Though if this is only possible with the sword, be sure to specify that or list it as an ability of the equipment.

I mentioned this already in the OP.

"Through Sayafushi"

 

[Ralp0054]

Added: Gerard dies in single slash here while he regenerated from head getting blown off later. It's much more possible to activate shrift after getting such slash than getting head blown off. This addresses the concern about gerard's shrift activation. Furthermore lillie explicitly states such things shouldn’t be able to kill gerard, askin implies so with his reactions as well.

My fault, There is no other problem anymore, I think it is acceptable.

 

[Jo-Smooth]

I have already addressed that in the op.
Gerard didn’t have to activate his shrift in battle with gotei. And he got far far worst damage. Literally got his head blown up.

Also lilli even remarks that it can't possibly kill gerard, askin gives a reaction which aren't present for pernida's case. So gerard's case is definitely stronger than pernida.

I still added an elaborated explanation.

Askin stated that Gerard finally decided to activate his Schrift when he was fighting the Gotei in the manga, idr if the anime got to it yet. His seems to have to be activated and deactivated. Most likely why he wasn’t a giant when we first see him. It wasn’t active until Byakuya killed him

 

[Apotheosis69]

Yeah that stuff is very late in the manga so that will be Cour 4.

I honestly do feel like Gerard and even Lille just did not activate their Schrifts until Auswahlen brought them back. Cause Lille didn't use it against Nimaiya the first time and was only using Heilig Pfiel, which is kinda OoC, IF he could use it at that time.

 

[Adam1396]

Yeah that stuff is very late in the manga so that will be Cour 4.

I honestly do feel like Gerard and even Lille just did not activate their Schrifts until Auswahlen brought them back. Cause Lille didn't use it against Nimaiya the first time and was only using Heilig Pfiel, which is kinda OoC, IF he could use it at that time.

I already addressed the issue about gerard's shrift and Lillie's remarks, askin's reaction also suggests they knew about gerard's immortality and ability. May be you should check the op again. If he could activate shrift after far worst injury, why not activate after a scatch comparatively unless he is dead!! There's only one answer to that, which the whole context and evidences suggest.

They always had these abilities. Lille didn’t use it, bevause he didn’t get the chance. Not that he didn’t have it. That's why he is excluded. Auswahlen only gives them power boost. It doesn’t change their shrift. For example uryu, jugram both used their shrift before auswahlen. And others knew about each others shrift most likely except uryu.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I think this makes sense. There's no reason to assume that Gerard and Pernida's abilities were inactive here.

Actually, that reminds me, could Oetsu get possibly reactive evolution negation since he was still able to kill Askin with Sayafushi even after Askin had already been hit by it?

 

[Ralp0054]

I think this makes sense. There's no reason to assume that Gerard and Pernida's abilities were inactive here.

Actually, that reminds me, could Oetsu get possibly reactive evolution negation since he was still able to kill Askin with Sayafushi even after Askin had already been hit by it?

Certainly, after all, both are a piece of Soul King, I think it should not be compared with other Quincys.

 

[Adam1396]

Bump

 

[Adam1396]

I think this makes sense. There's no reason to assume that Gerard and Pernida's abilities were inactive here.

Actually, that reminds me, could Oetsu get possibly reactive evolution negation since he was still able to kill Askin with Sayafushi even after Askin had already been hit by it?

I will check the fight again tomorow and add it to op if it seems reasonable.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I will check the fight again tomorow and add it to op if it seems reasonable.

Ok.

 

[Adam1396]

Bump

 

[Johner2133451]

bump

 

[Adam1396]

Bump

 

[Adam1396]

Bump

 

[Ralp0054]

Did you check the fight again? Is there anything missed?

 

[Adam1396]

Did you check the fight again? Is there anything missed?

I think this makes sense. There's no reason to assume that Gerard and Pernida's abilities were inactive here.

Actually, that reminds me, could Oetsu get possibly reactive evolution negation since he was still able to kill Askin with Sayafushi even after Askin had already been hit by it?

I checked the fight. Though it seems the swords has more to deal with immortality and regeneration than dealing with complex hax like death dealing. I think it's fine to add reactive evolution negation since both gerard and pernida have that as well. I will add that in the OP.

Can you guys help me get more admin input? So far got only one agreement from admin.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Can you guys help me get more admin input? So far got only one agreement from admin.

You can ask them on their walls and/or ask on the content revision promotion thread.

 

[Adam1396]

You can ask them on their walls and/or ask on the content revision promotion thread.

I already asked on their wall. And the video in the OP is viewed over 3000 times. Idk why my threads go like this.
Even my previous threads which were supposed ok to be accepted is hanging due to lack of admin votes.

 

[Johner2133451]

I'll ask DDM

 

[Duedate8898]

Just looking at the OP, I don't think you're providing enough evidence to say that Oetsu is negating their powers. Especially as just recalling the events myself, it appears to point towards neither having access to their powers until releasing their Schrifts. Nothing currently indicates that their Schrifts are always active.

 

[FinePoint]

Just looking at the OP, I don't think you're providing enough evidence to say that Oetsu is negating their powers. Especially as just recalling the events myself, it appears to point towards neither having access to their powers until releasing their Schrifts. Nothing currently indicates that their Schrifts are always active.

Well, if they normally have those types of immortality and regeneration, then I think killing them with the sword and having neither save them is probably sufficient to prove it negated them.

That said, I have no idea what a Schrift even is, so I will simply retract my vote until a consensus is reached over whether or not they actually had those abilities at the time of this clip.

 

[Duedate8898]

The issue is more that nothing indicates their powers to not need activation, unlock all the other powers possessed by the Quincy. If we are to accept the scene as Oetsu somehow negating their powers, then the story would go through the trouble of explaining that Oetsu is negating their powers. Saying they show these powers later, so when they died earlier that means he had to nullify them isn't enough evidence to say Oetsu deserves these hax.

Not to mention, Oetsu also cuts himself with this very same sword yet his wound is healed after he takes a blood bath.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

The issue is more that nothing indicates their powers to not need activation, unlock all the other powers possessed by the Quincy. If we are to accept the scene as Oetsu somehow negating their powers, then the story would go through the trouble of explaining that Oetsu is negating their powers. Saying they show these powers later, so when they died earlier that means he had to nullify them isn't enough evidence to say Oetsu deserves these hax.

Not to mention, Oetsu also cuts himself with this very same sword yet his wound is healed after he takes a blood bath.

Actually no the story wouldn't go through the trouble, don't you remember the manga? Kubo barely gave us basic information about them before they got deleted bar Ichibei.

As for the negation part, using Pernida as an example his power would always be active. At least the part where he duplicates and heals himself since this power is his very existence. It was even used against him again vs Mayuri when he died via super cancer. His eyes even glowed and he started getting twitchy which is an indicator of it being active.

Edit - As for Gerard his power had to have been active considering Lille’s statement. He states there is no way Gerard could die and was in disbelief. Why would he be shocked if it was inactive?

 

[Adam1396]

The issue is more that nothing indicates their powers to not need activation, unlock all the other powers possessed by the Quincy. If we are to accept the scene as Oetsu somehow negating their powers, then the story would go through the trouble of explaining that Oetsu is negating their powers. Saying they show these powers later, so when they died earlier that means he had to nullify them isn't enough evidence to say Oetsu deserves these hax.

Not to mention, Oetsu also cuts himself with this very same sword yet his wound is healed after he takes a blood bath.

I already addressed the issue in another reply.
No they didn’t get anything new other than power boost. All of them already had shrift/letters before even the war started.

I already addressed the issue about gerard's shrift and Lillie's remarks, askin's reaction also suggests they knew about gerard's immortality and ability. May be you should check the op again. If he could activate shrift after far worst injury, why not activate after a scatch comparatively unless he is dead!! There's only one answer to that, which the whole context and evidences suggest.

They always had these abilities. Lille didn’t use it, bevause he didn’t get the chance. Not that he didn’t have it. That's why he is excluded. Auswahlen only gives them power boost. It doesn’t change their shrift. For example uryu, jugram both used their shrift before auswahlen. And others knew about each others shrift most likely except uryu.

 

[Adam1396]

Actually no the story wouldn't go through the trouble, don't you remember the manga? Kubo barely gave use basic information about them before they got deleted bar Ichibei.

As for the negation part, using Pernida as an example his power would always be active. At least the part where he duplicates and heals himself since this power is his very existence. If was even used against him again vs Mayuri when he died via super cancer. His eyes even glowed and he starting getting twitchy which is an indicator of it being active.

Edit - As for Gerard his power had to have been active considering Lille’s statement. He states there is no way Gerard could die and was in disbelief. Why would he be shocked if it was inactive?

About gerard I think it's passive. Unless you think sternritters can activate their shrift even after getting their upper body blown up which is unlikely.

It doesn’t change anything here though.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Well, if they normally have those types of immortality and regeneration, then I think killing them with the sword and having neither save them is probably sufficient to prove it negated them.

That said, I have no idea what a Schrift even is, so I will simply retract my vote until a consensus is reached over whether or not they actually had those abilities at the time of this clip.

A Schrift is a power bestowed upon someone by drinking Yhwach's blood, but in Gerard and Pernida's case, their powers are actually innate to them.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

About gerard I think it's passive. Unless you think sternritters can activate their shrift even after getting their upper body blown up which is unlikely.

It doesn’t change anything here though.

I believe its passive as well. The only weakness he has that we know of thanks to the QA is destroying the cross = you win.

 

[Adam1396]

I believe its passive as well. The only weakness he has that we know of thanks to the QA is destroying the cross = you win.

Yes. And "destruction" can be interpreted in different ways, or you can say kubo was making fun of zaraki.
We saw it already got destroyed in conventional sense. Just like hogyoku wasn’t destroyed even after erased. So yeah, if we are going to list it as weakness, we gonna have to list the cross having mid godly regeneration as well.

 

[Ralp0054]

A Schrift is a power bestowed upon someone by drinking Yhwach's blood, but in Gerard and Pernida's case, they're powers are actually innate to them.

I think that's why it's active or not active discussion sounds like strange. We're talking about the Schrifts from the two soul king fragments. Without opening or closing of the two characters schrift (also there is nothing specific about this) except weak points both characters seem to have been presented as almost invincible.
I definitely don't like the on/off thing.