Omnitrix Profile Revamp

[Tllmbrg]

Actually, it isn't just a simulation inside the Dimension of the Omnitrix, rather, the entire dimension itself is a simulation within it. As Gwen stated: "It is not Petropia; Just like it wasn't Belwood before, it is all a computer simulation." She later expanded on this by saying, "The Omnitrix scans DNA. What if it scanned and downloaded us, just like it downloaded your homework?"
The Omnitrix clearly can manipulate reality as if it were simply data or information, housing an entire universe built out of data within itself. Such worlds clearly qualify for Type 2 [Information] according to our page:

I see, fair enough.

 

[GeneralSol16]

If your argument is "He can't actively use it and it might be random" then that's still limited, but for other reasons. Regardless, I really don't see why Ben 10,000 would not know about this feature, considering he's suppose to be an expert of the Omnitrix.

He can't actively used it, the watch can.
Even beikg able to turn in off or on would be worse than what actually is: Everything is done by the Omnitrix. And being an expert doesn't mean he controls it all, especially if we take into consideration how it lacks all of the AF functions.

I think the example is just misleading wording wise, so it's better to cut it off.

There's no reason for it at all.
Upgrade lacks Mana, she can't track him cuz of it.

You prove it's just straight up redirection, I in fact think we should not give characters abilities off random cards in a game that have no greater context for them, with there being rather easy explanations in the mainline media.

Not a game tho, Thérèse are promo cards that came with a game, but not the game itself.

The scan literally says he merges his DNA with the other aliens, also if you're arguing that the Omnitrix has an entire pocket dimension inside it and is simulating everything to the point it can spawn literal spawns and recreate mana, Gwen not being able to track him is just an anti-feat for Gwen's range at that point, since it should just have mana in it either way. Really that's true regardless of the dimension since, since the Omnitrix is a device that keeps DNA samples, so unless they're dead, they should have mana.

Except that's not what happens.
The watch doesn't have Mana at all, that's it, it needs to recreate it every time he goes Upgrade or Ghostfreak.
We know that if Mana energy is inside the Omnitrix will start to **** itself UP, as shown in that movie.

The page just establishes it's magical life force that fuels aspects of reality, as far as the scans go I don't see it showing it's literally the soul as well.

Mana is literally the true name of everything, not just its soul or life force, these are just other ways to refer to Mana.

Alternatively not every spell Gwen casts alters reality on a fundamental basis, and some stuff is just not operating on that level.

That's not how it works.
Every spell, attack or thing done by Mana is CM1 as that's the "true name" of every aspect, doesn't matter the action, absolutely everything is CM1.

 

[Tllmbrg]

He can't actively used it, the watch can.
Even beikg able to turn in off or on would be worse than what actually is: Everything is done by the Omnitrix. And being an expert doesn't mean he controls it all, especially if we take into consideration how it lacks all of the AF functions.

Okay but the watch doesn't operate on its own with all facets ever, plus we have no reason to assume it can do it with other aliens when the only example for flight is off a very specific scenario.
Also why would it not have AF features matter when this is something the prototype model does????

There's no reason for it at all.
Upgrade lacks Mana, she can't track him cuz of it.

It's literally not what she's saying man.

Not a game tho, Thérèse are promo cards that came with a game, but not the game itself.

That's even worse, why would we use random promos cards with no greater context to them?

Except that's not what happens.
The watch doesn't have Mana at all, that's it, it needs to recreate it every time he goes Upgrade or Ghostfreak.
We know that if Mana energy is inside the Omnitrix will start to **** itself UP, as shown in that movie.

Again, are the other DNA samples just dead? Also the movie is not an example of that, it's an example that if you shoot it with a bunch of mana it goes haywire, much like how computers can have cooling systems but if you throw them into the Mariana Trench it's bad for their existence.

Mana is literally the true name of everything, not just its soul or life force, these are just other ways to refer to Mana.

Still not evidence for literally being the soul.

That's not how it works.
Every spell, attack or thing done by Mana is CM1 as that's the "true name" of every aspect, doesn't matter the action, absolutely everything is CM1.

It's using CM1 to generate effects, that doesn't mean literally every magic spell you throw around just impacts someone's concepts, or do you think random aliens Gwen hits with her mana blasts now have resistance to conceptual manipulation?
Unless it's stated by someone, I see no reason to assume that she's just altering Ben's concepts like that, rather than doing something of a lower level through magic.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

The scan literally says he merges his DNA with the other aliens, also if you're arguing that the Omnitrix has an entire pocket dimension inside it and is simulating everything to the point it can spawn literal spawns and recreate mana, Gwen not being able to track him is just an anti-feat for Gwen's range at that point, since it should just have mana in it either way. Really that's true regardless of the dimension since, since the Omnitrix is a device that keeps DNA samples, so unless they're dead, they should have mana.

It doesn't need to be dead for you don't have mana (Gwen can sense someone mana even when he already dead, so even when you dead you still have mana), it's also not anti-feat, because Upgrade is from mechanical aliens, which is problem for them

The page just establishes it's magical life force that fuels aspects of reality, as far as the scans go I don't see it showing it's literally the soul as well.

Page is outdated

Alternatively not every spell Gwen casts alters reality on a fundamental basis, and some stuff is just not operating on that level.

It is, Charmcaster literally explained about what magic/spells is (it's secret true name, which is abstract concept type 2/1)

Still not evidence for literally being the soul.

Soul is life force of beings.

Charmcaster: 600,000 Souls, the life-force of every living thing in this dimension.

It's using CM1 to generate effects, that doesn't mean literally every magic spell you throw around just impacts someone's concepts,

CM still doesn't add in mana page, so i think it's need to be wait

or do you think random aliens Gwen hits with her mana blasts now have resistance to conceptual manipulation?

Her attacks aren't conceptual, just normal attack (don't work at conceptual level) except spells attacks, if Omnitrix resist this attack, then it's Resistance to Conceptual Attack, not Manipulation

I only reply to mana staff

 

[Tllmbrg]

Snip

Then the mana related resistances I think should be left out of the page until the Mana page itself is fully updated.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Then the mana related resistances I think should be left out of the page until the Mana page itself is fully updated.

Idk really, but page needs for fully updated and removed WOG statments

 

[GeneralSol16]

Okay but the watch doesn't operate on its own with all facets ever, plus we have no reason to assume it can do it with other aliens when the only example for flight is off a very specific scenario.
Also why would it not have AF features matter when this is something the prototype model does????

Ditto is not an out of ordinary alien, if it can do it with him, it can do it with everyone.
Snd the watch can perform actuols by itself, that's the whole point of this.

It's literally not what she's saying man.

This is why knowing the context matters.
She's trying to find Ship, she can't because she can't pick up its Mana.

That's even worse, why would we use random promos cards with no greater context to them?

Every merch is usable as far it doesn't contradict the show, and this doesn't.

Again, are the other DNA samples just dead? Also the movie is not an example of that, it's an example that if you shoot it with a bunch of mana it goes haywire, much like how computers can have cooling systems but if you throw them into the Mariana Trench it's bad for their existence.

Ireleevanr at the end of the day. Mana is not inside the watch, the Omnitrix produces it from nothing.

Still not evidence for literally being the soul.

Rex already replied.

It's using CM1 to generate effects, that doesn't mean literally every magic spell you throw around just impacts someone's concepts, or do you think random aliens Gwen hits with her mana blasts now have resistance to conceptual manipulation?
Unless it's stated by someone, I see no reason to assume that she's just altering Ben's concepts like that, rather than doing something of a lower level through magic.

Every spell is literally CM, every effect it has is cuz of CM, the watch nullifies it.

And funny, because Marvel has exactly the same property and it was accepted that even the slightest of spells have CM, and every single character has endured a blast from a magic user.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Then the mana related resistances I think should be left out of the page until the Mana page itself is fully updated.

Not needed.
Everything has been accepted and the real aspect of it has been accepted.
The Omnitrix will still have all of this regardless of anything.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Ditto is not an out of ordinary alien, if it can do it with him, it can do it with everyone.
Snd the watch can perform actuols by itself, that's the whole point of this.

The only time we see this feature is when Ditto (One of two species we see that can clone themselves) needs to transform back. This is clearly a very specific thing that happens only with this transformation.
Also thinking over it, it's not really even power bestowal, Ditto himself doesn't get flight, it's the watch just zooming in the air.

Every merch is usable as far it doesn't contradict the show, and this doesn't.

This has ZERO context on how it works, it's not a matter of contradiction, it's a matter of "We have no idea how this feature works at all or what it really does."

 

[GeneralSol16]

This has ZERO context on how it works, it's not a matter of contradiction, it's a matter of "We have no idea how this feature works at all or what it really does."

We know Hex attacked Ben, and the Omnitrix countered it, that's practically all is needee.

Btw, i assume that all the other things that you didn't answered or stoped answering is because you agree with them or door care about them, am I correct?

 

[Tllmbrg]

We know Hex attacked Ben, and the Omnitrix countered it, that's practically all is needee.

Alternatively it could've been an Alien transformation, or just Hex throwing something that be bounced back by a shield, there needs to be more context because we have no clue how it would actually work.

Btw, i qsduke that all the other things that you didn't answered or stoped answering is because you agree with them or door care about them, am I correct?

A mix yah.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Alternatively it could've been an Alien transformation, or just Hex throwing something that be bounced back by a shield, there needs to be more context because we have no clue how it would actually work.

For the sake of everything, we decided to remove Power Null and Attack Reflection from the pag, is that ok with you?

A mix yah.

Ok, can we count you into agreeing section?

 

[Tllmbrg]

For the sake of everything, we decided to remove Power Null and Attack Reflection from the pag, is that ok with you?

Yes

Ok, can we count you into agreeing section?

I guess?

 

[GeneralSol16]

I guess?

Great.
Thank you.

 

[Lort15]

Yes

I guess?

Okay i will remove them quickly

 

[Lort15]

done i've removed the PN and AR from the page also moved the resistance to mana stuff to recal omnitrix

 

[DemonicDude]

done i've removed the PN and AR from the page

Great work

 

[Lort15]

bump

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Sounds good to me.

 

[DemonicDude]

Sounds good to me.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't speak English, bro.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Reiner makes sense to me, though I am waiting on what @Firestorm808 plans to say, he has been knowledgable on the series iirc.

 

[Lort15]

Reiner makes sense to me, though I am waiting on what @Firestorm808 plans to say, he has been knowledgable on the series iirc.

Is that an agreement? If so the thread is approved with your vote sir, Firestorm seems busy with the other CRTs it takes too long him to respond sometimes

 

[Firestorm808]

• Prototype (Pre-Reconfiguration)
  • This key no longer has Low-Godly Regeneration; it has been changed to High Regeneration instead.
    • (High: According to Servantis, the Omnitrix could bring back Ben from anything that wasn't done in the sub quantum level. This would also include the Chronologger, a weapon whose subatomic drill can destroy reality.)
    • Isn't this for the new omnitrix?
  • Added Purification (Type 2 & 3).
    • Purification (Type 2 & 3; The Omnitrix regenerated Ben’s soul after it was corrupted by Ghostfreak, indicating that it possesses a ‘default state’ for the user’s essence. If the soul becomes corrupted, the Omnitrix is capable of purifying and restoring it to this default state. Could nullify the affects of Retalatior Armor's Elecitricity & Paralysis Inducement effect also removed the ice on Heatblast)
    • Type 2 is fine. He was purged of Ghostfreak, yes. Why are you saying the soul was "regenerated"?
    • Type 3 is fine.
  • Added an additional Instinctive Actionfeat.
    • Instinctive Action (The failsafe protects Ben from being attacked and will either transform him into an alien necessary to survive the attack or project an omni-energy wave..)
    • Fine for a pre-programmed action.
  • Added Non-Physical Interaction (NPI) via Power Bestowal.
    • Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility; Immaterial, Information [Type 1] & Data; The Omnitrix allowed Four Arms to interact with Zs’Skayr while he was intangible, Transformations can interact with codes and numbers.)
    • I suppose.
  • Added Mana Restoration.
    • Mana Restoration (The Omnitrix is capable of recreating and removing Ghostfreak and Upgrade's Mana/Life energy from every time Ben turns into them, as those species lack it completely, meaning that the device must reconstruct and get rid of Ben's energy every time he goes them.)
    • Fine
  • Added Reactive Evolution, Power Nullification, Attack Reflection, and resistance to Mana Manipulation via Reactive Evolution.
    • Reactive Evolution (It adapted itself to Ben's new biochemistry. Before its recalibration, the Omnitrix was vulnerable to Gwen's Mana Energy, which was the cause of its malfunctions in the Original Series. After recalibrating itself, it no longer presets these vulnerabilities, as Ben no longer mistransforms also as shown here or experiences glitches, meaning it adapted to Gwen.)
      • Reacting to new biochemistry is fine. You didn't show a scan of the Omnitrix not being affected by a spell directed at it.
      • Power Nullification (The Omnitrix is capable of cancelling Hex's powers)
        • Why is this used as proof?
      • Attack Reflection (Redirected Hex’s spell to act on himself.)
        • Why is this used as proof?
      • Mana Manipulation (Through adaptation, it later adjusted to Gwen’s mana, which initially caused malfunctions within the Omnitrix. As a result, the Omnitrix became immune to the Mana.)
  • Added Automatic Translation, Inorganic Physiology, and Resistance Bestowal.
    • Automatic Translation (Should be comparable to other Galvan machines, which can translate languages to be understandable to other beings, and should also be comparable to the Omniverse Omnitrix.)
      • Fine
    • Inorganic Physiology (Type 2; Omnitrix is a device)
      • Fine
    • Resistance Bestowal (The Omnitrix bestows resistances to its wielder, as shown by Zs’Skayrbeing unable to possess Ben due to the Omnitrix. It also allows Ben to resist Corrodium, which instantly transmutes other beings.)
      • Fine
  • Provided a clearer explanation for the resistance to Ghostfreak’s possession and Corrodium’s transmutation.
    • Possession, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Transmutation (The Omnitrix grants Ben a lesser resistance to possession when he is not transformed, as seen when Zs’Skayr had difficulty possessing Ben’s body, with the Omnitrix emitting an energy effect that allowed him to resist; however, while transformed, Zs’Skayr is completely unable to possess or control Ben’s alien forms. The Omnitrix also protected Ben from the effects of Corrodium for a brief time after his protective suit was ripped off, even though it was stated that only his aliens could withstand Corrodium’s effects. Transforming prevents Ben from mutating when exposed to Corrodium, a mineral that mutates people’s DNA.)
    • Limited should be fine while in Human form.
• Ultimatrix
  • This key now has a “Possibly” ratingfor possessing additional abilities from previous versions.
    • Fine
  • Added an Instinctive Action feat for the Ultimatrix from a Ben 10 Action Pack comic (the Action Packs are considered canon to the verse according to the referenced CRT).
    • Instinctive Action (The failsafe system of the Ultimatrix transformed Ben into Ultimate Echo Echo before Driscoll could harm him, despite the Ultimatrix being decoupled
    • Fine
  • Upgraded Regeneration from Low-Godly to Mid-Godly
    • Self-Restoration & Healing (Mid-Godly; Can regenerate Ben and itself after being completely destroyed by Charmcaster's machine, which is designed to absorbed Mana. Can regenerate Ben and itself after being turn into dust, The Ultimatrix is capable of regenerating Ben’s mana upon detransformation from Ghostfreak, a form that completely lacks Mana.)
    • Fine
• The Omnitrix (Omniverse)
  • Added Enhanced DNA Manipulation and Statistical Amplificationfor the Ultimate forms.
    • Enhanced DNA Manipulation & Statistics Amplification (The Ultimatrix gained ‘Ultimate Powers’, as it improves DNA manipulation, and it can transform aliens into what are called ‘Ultimate Forms,’ which make them stronger and grant them new abilities. For example, Ultimate Humungousaur is ten times stronger than regular Humungousaur, while Ultimate Swampfire gains a new body and explosive plant-based abilities.)
    • DNA Manip is fine.
    • No to Stats manip. It's the modified DNA that makes it stronger, not a pure stats increase with no DNA changes.
  • Added additional Non-Physical Interaction (NPI), Sealing, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, and Life Manipulation.
    • Non-Physical Interaction, Sealing, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Life Manipulation (Sealed the Ultimate forms and their mind, life and soul in Ultimatrix)
    • No to NPI
    • Sealing via digitization is fine.
    • These guys basically "grew" in the omnitrix. It's not really NPI since, they are all in a digital simulation inside. To get out, their minds needed a physical body. A mind and soul were created, I guess.
  • Added Enhanced Instinctive Action, an Extra Information Analysis feat, Extrasensory Perception, and Clairvoyance.
    • Enhanced Instinctive Action, Information Analysis, Extrasensory Perception & Clairvoyance (Stated by Ben to always give him the most suited alien for the job, even if he wants something else. Ben stated that he doesn't have control over what the Omnitrix gives him, with this being more uncontrollable than the previous models according to himself. When he swapped bodies with his younger self, the Omnitrix was able to detect a temporal paradox across the timeline and give Kid Ben in his Teen self body the perfect alien for every situation and puzzle made by Teen Kid Ben, even when no one knew about what was happening and said event not happening at all. When faced against a temporal loop, No Watch Ben wearing the Omnitrix got the perfect aliens for each situation so the timeline could progress, even when no one except for Paradox knew it needed to work like that and how the events needed to progress.
    • Able to detect DNA from across a planet, even being able to scan it from a distance.)
      • Limited Information Analysis, Extrasensory Perception and Clairvoyance for DNA specifically.
      • Instinctive Action for DNA selections.
  • Added statistic amplification and additional evidence for Resistance Bestowal.
    • Further Statistics Amplification and Resistance Bestowal (When in life threatening situations, the watch allowed Ben to survive or accomplish levels of power way above his standards, such as Ben surviving the effects of the Chronosapien Time Bomb in human form, with all his other versions getting instantly erased by it, with him sharing the same fate once the watch wasn't on him. As well as Feedback, a form with limited speed, being able to react and survive to the Big Bang before it could expand or erase him, with all of the aliens being able to contain the blast between their hands, even when those forms were too weak to normally do something like that)
    • No to Stats Amp
  • Added Resistance to Energy Absorption.
    • Energy Absorption (It was unaffected by Phil’s energy absorption, which could passively drain the Plumbers’ Headquarters, Rook’s Proto-Tool, his vehicle, and half of Bellwood.)
    • Fine

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

• Prototype (Pre-Reconfiguration)
  • This key no longer has Low-Godly Regeneration; it has been changed to High Regeneration instead.
    • (High: According to Servantis, the Omnitrix could bring back Ben from anything that wasn't done in the sub quantum level. This would also include the Chronologger, a weapon whose subatomic drill can destroy reality.)
    • Isn't this for the new omnitrix?
  • Added Purification (Type 2 & 3).
    • Purification (Type 2 & 3; The Omnitrix regenerated Ben’s soul after it was corrupted by Ghostfreak, indicating that it possesses a ‘default state’ for the user’s essence. If the soul becomes corrupted, the Omnitrix is capable of purifying and restoring it to this default state. Could nullify the affects of Retalatior Armor's Elecitricity & Paralysis Inducement effect also removed the ice on Heatblast)
    • Type 2 is fine. He was purged of Ghostfreak, yes. Why are you saying the soul was "regenerated"?
  • Added an additional Instinctive Actionfeat.
    • Instinctive Action (The failsafe protects Ben from being attacked and will either transform him into an alien necessary to survive the attack or project an omni-energy wave..)
    • Fine for a pre-programmed action.
  • Added Non-Physical Interaction (NPI) via Power Bestowal.
    • Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility; Immaterial, Information [Type 1] & Data; The Omnitrix allowed Four Arms to interact with Zs’Skayr while he was intangible, Transformations can interact with codes and numbers.)
    • I suppose.
  • Added Mana Restoration.
    • Mana Restoration (The Omnitrix is capable of recreating and removing Ghostfreak and Upgrade's Mana/Life energy from every time Ben turns into them, as those species lack it completely, meaning that the device must reconstruct and get rid of Ben's energy every time he goes them.)
    • Fine
  • Added Reactive Evolution, Power Nullification, Attack Reflection, and resistance to Mana Manipulation via Reactive Evolution.
    • Reactive Evolution (It adapted itself to Ben's new biochemistry. Before its recalibration, the Omnitrix was vulnerable to Gwen's Mana Energy, which was the cause of its malfunctions in the Original Series. After recalibrating itself, it no longer presets these vulnerabilities, as Ben no longer mistransforms also as shown here or experiences glitches, meaning it adapted to Gwen.)
      • Reacting to new biochemistry is fine. You didn't show a scan of the Omnitrix not being affected by a spell directed at it.
      • Power Nullification (The Omnitrix is capable of cancelling Hex's powers)
        • Why is this used as proof?
      • Attack Reflection (Redirected Hex’s spell to act on himself.)
        • Why is this used as proof?
      • Mana Manipulation (Through adaptation, it later adjusted to Gwen’s mana, which initially caused malfunctions within the Omnitrix. As a result, the Omnitrix became immune to the Mana.)
  • Added Automatic Translation, Inorganic Physiology, and Resistance Bestowal.
    • Automatic Translation (Should be comparable to other Galvan machines, which can translate languages to be understandable to other beings, and should also be comparable to the Omniverse Omnitrix.)
      • Fine
    • Inorganic Physiology (Type 2; Omnitrix is a device)
      • Fine
    • Resistance Bestowal (The Omnitrix bestows resistances to its wielder, as shown by Zs’Skayrbeing unable to possess Ben due to the Omnitrix. It also allows Ben to resist Corrodium, which instantly transmutes other beings.)
      • Fine
  • Provided a clearer explanation for the resistance to Ghostfreak’s possession and Corrodium’s transmutation.
    • Possession, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Transmutation (The Omnitrix grants Ben a lesser resistance to possession when he is not transformed, as seen when Zs’Skayr had difficulty possessing Ben’s body, with the Omnitrix emitting an energy effect that allowed him to resist; however, while transformed, Zs’Skayr is completely unable to possess or control Ben’s alien forms. The Omnitrix also protected Ben from the effects of Corrodium for a brief time after his protective suit was ripped off, even though it was stated that only his aliens could withstand Corrodium’s effects. Transforming prevents Ben from mutating when exposed to Corrodium, a mineral that mutates people’s DNA.)
    • Limited should be fine while in Human form.
• Ultimatrix
  • This key now has a “Possibly” ratingfor possessing additional abilities from previous versions.
    • Fine
  • Added an Instinctive Action feat for the Ultimatrix from a Ben 10 Action Pack comic (the Action Packs are considered canon to the verse according to the referenced CRT).
    • Instinctive Action (The failsafe system of the Ultimatrix transformed Ben into Ultimate Echo Echo before Driscoll could harm him, despite the Ultimatrix being decoupled
    • Fine
  • Upgraded Regeneration from Low-Godly to Mid-Godly
    • Self-Restoration & Healing (Mid-Godly; Can regenerate Ben and itself after being completely destroyed by Charmcaster's machine, which is designed to absorbed Mana. Can regenerate Ben and itself after being turn into dust, The Ultimatrix is capable of regenerating Ben’s mana upon detransformation from Ghostfreak, a form that completely lacks Mana.)
    • Fine
• The Omnitrix (Omniverse)
  • Added Enhanced DNA Manipulation and Statistical Amplificationfor the Ultimate forms.
    • Enhanced DNA Manipulation & Statistics Amplification (The Ultimatrix gained ‘Ultimate Powers’, as it improves DNA manipulation, and it can transform aliens into what are called ‘Ultimate Forms,’ which make them stronger and grant them new abilities. For example, Ultimate Humungousaur is ten times stronger than regular Humungousaur, while Ultimate Swampfire gains a new body and explosive plant-based abilities.)
    • DNA Manip is fine.
    • No to Stats manip. It's the modified DNA that makes it stronger, not a pure stats increase with no DNA changes.
  • Added additional Non-Physical Interaction (NPI), Sealing, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, and Life Manipulation.
    • Non-Physical Interaction, Sealing, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Life Manipulation (Sealed the Ultimate forms and their mind, life and soul in Ultimatrix)
    • No to NPI
    • Sealing via digitization is fine.
    • These guys basically "grew" in the omnitrix. It's not really NPI since, they are all in a digital simulation inside. To get out, their minds needed a physical body. A mind and soul were created, I guess.
  • Added Enhanced Instinctive Action, an Extra Information Analysis feat, Extrasensory Perception, and Clairvoyance.
    • Enhanced Instinctive Action, Information Analysis, Extrasensory Perception & Clairvoyance (Stated by Ben to always give him the most suited alien for the job, even if he wants something else. Ben stated that he doesn't have control over what the Omnitrix gives him, with this being more uncontrollable than the previous models according to himself. When he swapped bodies with his younger self, the Omnitrix was able to detect a temporal paradox across the timeline and give Kid Ben in his Teen self body the perfect alien for every situation and puzzle made by Teen Kid Ben, even when no one knew about what was happening and said event not happening at all. When faced against a temporal loop, No Watch Ben wearing the Omnitrix got the perfect aliens for each situation so the timeline could progress, even when no one except for Paradox knew it needed to work like that and how the events needed to progress.
    • Able to detect DNA from across a planet, even being able to scan it from a distance.)
      • Limited Information Analysis, Extrasensory Perception and Clairvoyance for DNA specifically.
      • Instinctive Action for DNA selections.
  • Added statistic amplification and additional evidence for Resistance Bestowal.
    • Further Statistics Amplification and Resistance Bestowal (When in life threatening situations, the watch allowed Ben to survive or accomplish levels of power way above his standards, such as Ben surviving the effects of the Chronosapien Time Bomb in human form, with all his other versions getting instantly erased by it, with him sharing the same fate once the watch wasn't on him. As well as Feedback, a form with limited speed, being able to react and survive to the Big Bang before it could expand or erase him, with all of the aliens being able to contain the blast between their hands, even when those forms were too weak to normally do something like that)
    • No to Stats Amp
  • Added Resistance to Energy Absorption.
    • Energy Absorption (It was unaffected by Phil’s energy absorption, which could passively drain the Plumbers’ Headquarters, Rook’s Proto-Tool, his vehicle, and half of Bellwood.)
    • Fine

I think you ignore some abilities like IM Type 2

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Also Omnitrix has already Resistance to Mana Manipulation via this

 

[GeneralSol16]

Isn't this for the new omnitrix?

That machine was designed for the Prototype Omnitrix, as Servantis didn't consider Be a threat until an episode before that.

Reactive Evolution (It adapted itself to Ben's new biochemistry. Before its recalibration, the Omnitrix was vulnerable to Gwen's Mana Energy, which was the cause of its malfunctions in the Original Series. After recalibrating itself, it no longer presets these vulnerabilities, as Ben no longer mistransforms also as shown here or experiences glitches, meaning it adapted to Gwen.)

• Reacting to new biochemistry is fine. You didn't show a scan of the Omnitrix not being affected by a spell directed at it.

Gwen's energy passohely affected Ben's Omnitrix, the fact that no longer does that is the proof.
Also, The Ultimatrix, an inferior version of it, could nullify Gwen's spells.

• Power Nullification (The Omnitrix is capable of cancelling Hex's powers)
  • Why is this used as proof?
• Attack Reflection (Redirected Hex’s spell to act on himself.)
  • Why is this used as proof?

We no longer argue that.

No to Stats Amp

Why? This is very consistent in the show, and the prototype Omnitrix showed something very similar before, although ofc inferior.

• Limited Information Analysis, Extrasensory Perception and Clairvoyance for DNA specifically.
• Instinctive Action for DNA selections.

There's no actual way to separate them, especially how the Omnitrix has been able to go pass cosmic events to give Ben the right alien.

 

[Hellformer]

• The Omnitrix (Omniverse)
  • Added Enhanced DNA Manipulation and Statistical Amplificationfor the Ultimate forms.
    • Enhanced DNA Manipulation & Statistics Amplification (The Ultimatrix gained ‘Ultimate Powers’, as it improves DNA manipulation, and it can transform aliens into what are called ‘Ultimate Forms,’ which make them stronger and grant them new abilities. For example, Ultimate Humungousaur is ten times stronger than regular Humungousaur, while Ultimate Swampfire gains a new body and explosive plant-based abilities.)
    • DNA Manip is fine.
    • No to Stats manip. It's the modified DNA that makes it stronger, not a pure stats increase with no DNA changes.

It does

 

[Firestorm808]

IM Type 2

What is this?

It does

No, it doesn't. Does the Ultimate Function not modify the DNA to be stronger?

Statistics Amplification is when a character raises their parameters in the middle of a fight, and this is not related to their base form or some sort of “hidden power” that has been hidden or held back.

These boosts are usually temporary and are specific to one or a number of statistics.

This is also not to be confused with a change in form or state, and is thus not typically associated with any new abilities in particular. Instead, this ability serves as a means of overcoming the opponent through a sudden increase in combat effectiveness.

 

[Firestorm808]

That machine was designed for the Prototype Omnitrix, as Servantis didn't consider Be a threat until an episode before that.

What statement are you citing?

Gwen's energy passohely affected Ben's Omnitrix, the fact that no longer does that is the proof.
Also, The Ultimatrix, an inferior version of it, could nullify Gwen's spells.

So do you have a scan of it no longer doing so?

We no longer argue that.

The OP should be revised accordingly.

Why? This is very consistent in the show, and the prototype Omnitrix showed something very similar before, although ofc inferior.

Does not meet the site definition.

There's no actual way to separate them, especially how the Omnitrix has been able to go pass cosmic events to give Ben the right alien.

I don't see how that is relevant.

 

[Hellformer]

No, it doesn't. Does the Ultimate Function not modify the DNA to be stronger?

Oh didn't see that, since the site itself follows a weird way for the ability, you're correct.

 

[Hellformer]

Added statistic amplification and additional evidence for Resistance Bestowal.

• Further Statistics Amplification and Resistance Bestowal (When in life threatening situations, the watch allowed Ben to survive or accomplish levels of power way above his standards, such as Ben surviving the effects of the Chronosapien Time Bomb in human form, with all his other versions getting instantly erased by it, with him sharing the same fate once the watch wasn't on him. As well as Feedback, a form with limited speed, being able to react and survive to the Big Bang before it could expand or erase him, with all of the aliens being able to contain the blast between their hands, even when those forms were too weak to normally do something like that)
• No to Stats Amp

Statistics Amplification is when a character raises their parameters in the middle of a fight, and this is not related to their base form or some sort of “hidden power” that has been hidden or held back.

These boosts are usually temporary and are specific to one or a number of statistics.

This is also not to be confused with a change in form or state, and is thus not typically associated with any new abilities in particular. Instead, this ability serves as a means of overcoming the opponent through a sudden increase in combat effectiveness.

This one actually matches with the actual criteria though? I get the point for Ultimatrix's stat amp disagreement but this one is quite explicit. Otherwise how do you explain Ben surviving the CTB while he had the Omnitrix, and all of the aliens holding the big bang momentarily without dying? That should be textbook statistic amplification if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Lort15]

• Prototype (Pre-Reconfiguration)
  • This key no longer has Low-Godly Regeneration; it has been changed to High Regeneration instead.
    • (High: According to Servantis, the Omnitrix could bring back Ben from anything that wasn't done in the sub quantum level. This would also include the Chronologger, a weapon whose subatomic drill can destroy reality.)
    • Isn't this for the new omnitrix?

Servantis prepared this plan for when Ben was 11 years old all of the things he had for Ben is from 4 years ago, he learned Ben using the omnitrix again in universe vs tennyson (they showed GG vs Alien X fight to the entire universe) also Ultimatrix's Mid Godly regen feat clears that it is way above that sub-quantum level destruction

• Added Purification (Type 2 & 3).
  • Purification (Type 2 & 3; The Omnitrix regenerated Ben’s soul after it was corrupted by Ghostfreak, indicating that it possesses a ‘default state’ for the user’s essence. If the soul becomes corrupted, the Omnitrix is capable of purifying and restoring it to this default state. Could nullify the affects of Retalatior Armor's Elecitricity & Paralysis Inducement effect also removed the ice on Heatblast)
  • Type 2 is fine. He was purged of Ghostfreak, yes. Why are you saying the soul was "regenerated"?

I meant it purified the possesed soul

• Added Reactive Evolution, Power Nullification, Attack Reflection, and resistance to Mana Manipulation via Reactive Evolution.
  • Reactive Evolution (It adapted itself to Ben's new biochemistry. Before its recalibration, the Omnitrix was vulnerable to Gwen's Mana Energy, which was the cause of its malfunctions in the Original Series. After recalibrating itself, it no longer presets these vulnerabilities, as Ben no longer mistransforms also as shown here or experiences glitches, meaning it adapted to Gwen.)
    • Reacting to new biochemistry is fine. You didn't show a scan of the Omnitrix not being affected by a spell directed at it.

For this part ı'm not sure how to show it exactly like the some unexplained malfunctions in the OG series happend because of Gwen's mana being around, in the alien force Ben had no malfunctions with the recalibrated omnitrix(Highbreed arc), as he was capable of transforming whatever he wanted or no problems about watch getting malfunctioned during the middle of the fight, which means Gwen's mana couldn't affect the omnitrix

• • • Power Nullification (The Omnitrix is capable of cancelling Hex's powers)
      • Why is this used as proof?
    • Attack Reflection (Redirected Hex’s spell to act on himself.)
      • Why is this used as proof?

Removed them due to cannonicty stuff

• • Mana Manipulation (Through adaptation, it later adjusted to Gwen’s mana, which initially caused malfunctions within the Omnitrix. As a result, the Omnitrix became immune to the Mana.)

Also this is moved to recalibrated omnitrix as the resistance stands for Recalibrated omnitrix

• Provided a clearer explanation for the resistance to Ghostfreak’s possession and Corrodium’s transmutation.
  • Possession, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Transmutation (The Omnitrix grants Ben a lesser resistance to possession when he is not transformed, as seen when Zs’Skayr had difficulty possessing Ben’s body, with the Omnitrix emitting an energy effect that allowed him to resist; however, while transformed, Zs’Skayr is completely unable to possess or control Ben’s alien forms. The Omnitrix also protected Ben from the effects of Corrodium for a brief time after his protective suit was ripped off, even though it was stated that only his aliens could withstand Corrodium’s effects. Transforming prevents Ben from mutating when exposed to Corrodium, a mineral that mutates people’s DNA.)
  • Limited should be fine while in Human form.

Yes as i have mentioned "Grants a lesser resistance while not transformed"

• Added Enhanced DNA Manipulation and Statistical Amplificationfor the Ultimate forms.
  • Enhanced DNA Manipulation & Statistics Amplification (The Ultimatrix gained ‘Ultimate Powers’, as it improves DNA manipulation, and it can transform aliens into what are called ‘Ultimate Forms,’ which make them stronger and grant them new abilities. For example, Ultimate Humungousaur is ten times stronger than regular Humungousaur, while Ultimate Swampfire gains a new body and explosive plant-based abilities.)
  • DNA Manip is fine.
  • No to Stats manip. It's the modified DNA that makes it stronger, not a pure stats increase with no DNA changes.

Hmm strange, thought we still give statistic amps to such these things, how about stat amps via DNA manipulation? Like ıt's clear that their stats are amplified, it would be weird to not note that

• Added additional Non-Physical Interaction (NPI), Sealing, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, and Life Manipulation.
  • Non-Physical Interaction, Sealing, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Life Manipulation (Sealed the Ultimate forms and their mind, life and soul in Ultimatrix)
  • No to NPI
  • Sealing via digitization is fine.
  • These guys basically "grew" in the omnitrix. It's not really NPI since, they are all in a digital simulation inside. To get out, their minds needed a physical body. A mind and soul were created, I guess.

Alright, that seems fine to me too

• Added Enhanced Instinctive Action, an Extra Information Analysis feat, Extrasensory Perception, and Clairvoyance.
  • Enhanced Instinctive Action, Information Analysis, Extrasensory Perception & Clairvoyance (Stated by Ben to always give him the most suited alien for the job, even if he wants something else. Ben stated that he doesn't have control over what the Omnitrix gives him, with this being more uncontrollable than the previous models according to himself. When he swapped bodies with his younger self, the Omnitrix was able to detect a temporal paradox across the timeline and give Kid Ben in his Teen self body the perfect alien for every situation and puzzle made by Teen Kid Ben, even when no one knew about what was happening and said event not happening at all. When faced against a temporal loop, No Watch Ben wearing the Omnitrix got the perfect aliens for each situation so the timeline could progress, even when no one except for Paradox knew it needed to work like that and how the events needed to progress.
  • Able to detect DNA from across a planet, even being able to scan it from a distance.)
    • Limited Information Analysis, Extrasensory Perception and Clairvoyance for DNA specifically.
    • Instinctive Action for DNA selections.

Do we limit info analysis based on the scans already? I mean it's not like all information analysis users are capable of analyzing the power levels of others or their abilities etc. Noting it's capability is fine with a full info analysis

• Added statistic amplification and additional evidence for Resistance Bestowal.
  • Further Statistics Amplification and Resistance Bestowal (When in life threatening situations, the watch allowed Ben to survive or accomplish levels of power way above his standards, such as Ben surviving the effects of the Chronosapien Time Bomb in human form, with all his other versions getting instantly erased by it, with him sharing the same fate once the watch wasn't on him. As well as Feedback, a form with limited speed, being able to react and survive to the Big Bang before it could expand or erase him, with all of the aliens being able to contain the blast between their hands, even when those forms were too weak to normally do something like that)

• No to Stats Amp

Why?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

What is this?

Information Manipulation Type 2

 

[Lort15]

Information Manipulation Type 2

It doesn't belong to here to evulate actually it was approved back then

 

[GeneralSol16]

What statement are you citing?

To Servantis' machine destroying Ben to the sub quantum level, that thing was designed for the Prototype Omnitrix.

So do you have a scan of it no longer doing so?

The Omnitrix no longer mistransgorms Ben or glitches, even when being near Gwen, uboike the OG series.
And of course, wasn't affected by Gwen's spells aside from the effects, but the device was alright.

Does not meet the site definition.

How doesn't? It's a temporal amplificatuon of the stats caused by something not related to the transformations themselves, but the device, and it's not permanent.
If it doesn't, how would you classify it?

I don't see how that is relevant.

It kinda is.
But I'll assume that you just agree with that section, am I right?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Lort15]

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[Lort15]

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[Firestorm808]

This one actually matches with the actual criteria though? I get the point for Ultimatrix's stat amp disagreement but this one is quite explicit. Otherwise how do you explain Ben surviving the CTB while he had the Omnitrix, and all of the aliens holding the big bang momentarily without dying? That should be textbook statistic amplification if I'm not mistaken.

It's preferred that there is a specific statement that stats are inherently increased. Also, it's either Statistics Amplification or Resistance Bestowal. It can't be both without specific context.

Servantis prepared this plan for when Ben was 11 years old all of the things he had for Ben is from 4 years ago, he learned Ben using the omnitrix again in universe vs tennyson (they showed GG vs Alien X fight to the entire universe) also Ultimatrix's Mid Godly regen feat clears that it is way above that sub-quantum level destruction

I suppose you can connect this to how Chromastone was vaporized only for Ben and the Omnitrix to flash back into existence afterward. Sub-quantum level would be the limit.

I meant it purified the possesed soul

Okay.

For this part ı'm not sure how to show it exactly like the some unexplained malfunctions in the OG series happend because of Gwen's mana being around, in the alien force Ben had no malfunctions with the recalibrated omnitrix(Highbreed arc), as he was capable of transforming whatever he wanted or no problems about watch getting malfunctioned during the middle of the fight, which means Gwen's mana couldn't affect the omnitrix

Clips of Gwen causing magical effects directly on Ben as an alien with no apparent side effects on the Omnitrix would suffice.

Removed them due to cannonicty stuff

Okay.

Also this is moved to recalibrated omnitrix as the resistance stands for Recalibrated omnitrix

Also, "Immune" is too strong of an assertion. Just Resistance is fine.

Yes as i have mentioned "Grants a lesser resistance while not transformed"

Okay.

Hmm strange, thought we still give statistic amps to such these things, how about stat amps via DNA manipulation? Like ıt's clear that their stats are amplified, it would be weird to not note that

If a human changed their DNA to become stronger, that isn't Stats Amp per our site definition.

Alright, that seems fine to me too

Okay.

Do we limit info analysis based on the scans already? I mean it's not like all information analysis users are capable of analyzing the power levels of others or their abilities etc. Noting it's capability is fine with a full info analysis

We should be clear about what type/limits of information is being read.

Why?

It's preferred that there is a specific statement that stats are inherently increased. Also, it's either Statistics Amplification or Resistance Bestowal. It can't be both without specific context.

To Servantis' machine destroying Ben to the sub quantum level, that thing was designed for the Prototype Omnitrix.

Pairing this with context from the Chromastone disintegration scene should be fine.

The Omnitrix no longer mistransgorms Ben or glitches, even when being near Gwen, uboike the OG series.
And of course, wasn't affected by Gwen's spells aside from the effects, but the device was alright.

The scenes of transformed Ben having spells cast directly on him from Gwen and not disrupting the Omnitrix are fine for proof.

How doesn't? It's a temporal amplificatuon of the stats caused by something not related to the transformations themselves, but the device, and it's not permanent.
If it doesn't, how would you classify it?

It's preferred that there is a specific statement that stats are inherently increased. Also, it's either Statistics Amplification or Resistance Bestowal. It can't be both without specific context.

It kinda is.
But I'll assume that you just agree with that section, am I right?

We should be clear about the practical limitations of the abilities in this instance.