One Piece: Early Post-Timeskip and God Tiers AP Revision

[GodlyCharmander]

Hello guys. With the newly approved Pre Timeskip Attack Potency, we have to revise the Post TS era, as this directly influences it. Let's go over these numbers, okay? Much appreciation for @KingTempest. This has more involvement of him that the previous one, I'm just here to post it. I will also be revising the God Tier's Attack Potency, as some of them influence the calculations.

Beginning of Post-Timeskip (up to Dressrosa)
New Attack Potency​

• Usopp's durability is now >59.17 Megatons (7-B+)​
  • Hody is capable of harming Post Timeskip Usopp, then gets 32x stronger (going by our already approved scaling): >1.89 Gigatons (High 7-A)​
  • Monster Hody is scaled 4x above the lower High 7-A: >7.57 Gigatons (6-C)​
• Law's Durability Calc: 3.56 Gigatons (High 7-A+)
• The new string durability: 5.03 Gigatons (6-C)
• Hakuba is twice as strong as Cavendish: 10.07 Gigatons (6-C)
• Luffy Gear 4th is capable of breaking 13 thicker awakening strings: 65.39 Gigatons (6-C)
  • Leo Bazooka: 130.78 Gigatons (6-C+) due to it using 2 arms
• Doflamingo w/buso downscales from Gear 4th's double-handed AP: 52.15 Gigatons (6-C+)

And that's it, really. Nothing new about Zou, WCI or even... Well, Wano is it's own thread.

Agree: @KingTempest, @PsychoWarper, @UchihaSlayer96, @Anime_Facts, @Dragopentling, @LIFE_OF_KING, @LordGinSama, @Eminiteable, @CiscoTheSoto, @Kazuma_kuwabara, @Stefano4444, @Therefir, @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral:

God Tiers
New Feats/Calcs​

One Piece: Strong World being canon was accepted here. The size of the planet was accepted here.

• Kaidou's Lesser Lift: 103.83 Teratons (High 6-B)
• Kaidou's Higher Lift: 162 Teratons (High 6-B)
• Whitebeard's Shima Yurashi: 213.35 Teratons (High 6-B)​
• Issho's Lesser Gravity: 286.13 Teratons (High 6-B)​
• Shiki's Zanpa: 328.3 Teratons (High 6-B)​
• Whitebeard's Kaishin: 390.8 Teratons (High 6-B)​
• Whitebeard's Kabutowari: 1.198 Petatons (6-A)​
• Issho's Peak Gravity: 2.84 Petatons (6-A)
• Shiki's Fuwa Fuwa Lift: 15.9 Petatons (High 6-A)

This further solidifies the High 6-B ratings we have, but also gives the new 6-A to High 6-A values. The proposition would be to:
A) Upgrade the High 6-B ratings to the newer values
B) Upgrade the God Tiers to 6-A due to both Akainu and Whitebeard having the strongest fruit in their particular category (Akainu's being the strongest in general)
C) Upgrade the God Tiers to High 6-A, with the exception of Fujitora.

You can say "I agree with proposition A/B/C", or "I disagree with all of them because [...]"

Agree (A):
Agree (B): @Stefano4444, @LIFE_OF_KING, @Damage3245, @CiscoTheSoto, @Kazuma_kuwabara, @KingTempest, @DemonGodMitchAubin, @Anime_Facts, @Dragopentling, @PsychoWarper, @LordGinSama, @Kachon123, @Eminiteable, @Marlinmarley, @GroundX1, @Stefano4444, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Therefir, @Jibz, @WrongIdea21, @14405User, @KillerH, @Eseseso
Agree (C)
Neutral: @UchihaSlayer96
Disagree:
That's all. Let's discuss.

 

[Damage3245]

Luffy Gear 4th is capable of breaking 9 strings: 45.31 Gigatons (6-C)
However, it is noticeable that G4 Luffy does not use his compression to get rid of the strings, thus, his 4x multiplier is applied to his actual AP: 181.25 Gigatons (High 6-C)

I have doubts towards this bit. Luffy uses his entire body to break out of the 9 strings restraining him, whereas the 4x multiplier via compression is applied to his compressed punches/kicks. Different applications of force are involved here which makes me question applying the multiplier to that value specifically.

Other parts of the OP, I will do some more in-depth reading on and respond when I can.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

 

[KingTempest]

Pretty obviously agree. Thanks for the props and good job

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I have doubts towards this bit. Luffy uses his entire body to break out of the 9 strings restraining him, whereas the 4x multiplier via compression is applied to his compressed punches/kicks. Different applications of force are involved here which makes me question applying the multiplier to that value specifically.

Other parts of the OP, I will do some more in-depth reading on and respond when I can.

Luffy used his arms to do it, however he did use both together, him flexing his arms should be comparable if not weaker than a regular punch

So 1 arm would scale to 4.5 Strings and therefore be 22.655 Gigatons, while the compressed fist like Kong Gun would be 90.62 Gigatons

Leo Bazooka would be the 181.25 Gigatons due to it using 2 arms

 

[PsychoWarper]

Everything looks pretty good tbh, so I agree with the changes.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Everything looks pretty good tbh, so I agree with the changes.

Pretty obviously agree. Thanks for the props and good job

I need y'all to specify which proposition you agree with in the god tier section.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

This looks good. Don't feel qualified enough to pick which option is best for the god tiers, though.

 

[KingTempest]

I need y'all to specify which proposition you agree with in the god tier section.

High 6-A is fine unless there’s something wrong with it.
If there is, then 6-A
Same above, then High 6-B

 

[GodlyCharmander]

This looks good. Don't feel qualified enough to pick which option is best for the god tiers, though.

I assume you're neutral on the God Tiers then, would that be accurate?

 

[Damage3245]

Whitebeard's Shima Yurashi: 213.35 Teratons (High 6-B)
Whitebeard's Kabutowari: 320.23 Teratons (High 6-B)
Whitebeard's Kaishin: 390.8 Teratons (High 6-B)

Since there are multiple different accepted methods available for Whitebeard's feats, we should probably have a Calc Group thread to explore which is the best option from the previous ones and these new ones.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I also agree with option C

Shiki's Fuwa Fuwa Feat happened Pre-Timeskip

Pre-TS Akainu's DF and Whitbeard's DF are clearly stated to have the highest Attack Power and be the strongest Paramecia

So they scale above that feat, with Whitebeard's Physicals scaling to Pre-TS Akainu's DF

So yeah, the 15.5 Petaton feat scales to the Base Yonko Post-Timeskip

 

[Anime_Facts]

I agree
Let's Goooooo high 6-A one piece

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I assume you're neutral on the God Tiers then, would that be accurate?

I guess you could say that. But it's more like I don't feel confident or knowledgeable enough to give an opinion.

 

[Stefano4444]

Personally i would rather go with proposition B, i'm iffy about using Shiki or Movie feats in general.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Since there are multiple different accepted methods available for Whitebeard's feats, we should probably have a Calc Group thread to explore which is the best option from the previous ones and these new ones.

Should I make a CGT post, then?
Or should I ask someone else to do it?

 

[Damage3245]

Should I make a CGT post, then?
Or should I ask someone else to do it?

I can post it tomorrow.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I can post it tomorrow.

Thank you, Damage.

 

[KingTempest]

If the GT portion has either B or C chosen then the CGM thread is irrelevant to this one

 

[PsychoWarper]

If I have to specify then opinion C

 

[Dragopentling]

I've always considered One Piece characters to be continent level busters, so I agree with this revision for now.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

If the GT portion has either B or C chosen then the CGM thread is irrelevant to this one

Yes, it won't hinder the progression of this thread in any way unless we have reasoning to deliberately choose option A.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah, I agree. Good job

But the High 6-A part I don't know. Did he lift things up in the fight against Luffy or something?

 

[KingTempest]

Heck, it still wouldn’t matter cause of Shiki’s feats

Also I misunderstood you wrong. You can add Kaidou’s feats to the OP as supports

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Yeah, I agree. Good job

But the High 6-A part I don't know. Did he lift things up in the fight against Luffy or something?

I assume you concur with 6-A, then?

 

[Damage3245]

If the GT portion has either B or C chosen then the CGM thread is irrelevant to this one

Yeah, it wouldn't be a blocker to this CRT but it would still need to be addressed if those new calcs are still being proposed.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I assume you concur with 6-A, then?

No, I'm just asking when Shiki did this feat

I don't know anything about the movie

 

[LordGinSama]

I'll agree with everything in the OP for now till Damage has a turn to respond to whatever he may disagree with. I tend to find his opinions respectable so I'll wait for a final conclusion for now.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Added Kaidou's feats to the OP

 

[GodlyCharmander]

No, I'm just asking when Shiki did this feat

I don't know anything about the movie

That's more of a question for who made the calc, though.

 

[KingTempest]

But the High 6-A part I don't know. Did he lift things up in the fight against Luffy or something?

Nah he lifted this up before his fight with Luffy, some unknown time from after he escaped Impel Down and before the movie started

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah, it doesn't seem like a safe option. I'm going with B anyway

 

[KingTempest]

Wha-

Alright i guess

Still sticking with C

 

[Damage3245]

Shiki's lifting of that island is impressive as a feat, but it's not really a combat feat / offensive feat, and I'm not personally in favor of the indirect scaling of making the God Tiers equal to that feat for their various offscreened fights against Shiki.

So I would say I'm more in favor of Option B.

 

[Kachon123]

I agree with option C.

 

[KingTempest]

Shiki's lifting of that island is impressive as a feat, but it's not really a combat feat / offensive feat, and I'm not personally in favor of the indirect scaling of making the God Tiers equal to that feat for their various offscreened fights against Shiki.

It's scaleable to his other abilities, as he can use his devil fruit for combat as well, which scales to Akainu.

We're not scaling them directly to Shiki. We're scaling them to Akainu, who's DF scales above Shiki's

 

[Damage3245]

It's scaleable to his other abilities, as he can use his devil fruit for combat as well, which scales to Akainu.

We're not scaling them directly to Shiki. We're scaling them to Akainu, who's DF scales above Shiki.

I can't say I'm a big fan of relying so heavily on that statement for Akainu (and therefore for every other God Tier that matters) when by feats Akainu's DF would scale to 40 or 400 times lower than this value for Shiki's feat. A gap that big (for the latter value) between Akainu's displayed feats and what the interpretation of that statement would give him makes me a bit cautious.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I can't say I'm a big fan of relying so heavily on that statement for Akainu (and therefore for every other God Tier that matters) when by feats Akainu's DF would scale to 40 or 400 times lower than this value for Shiki's feat. A gap that big (for the latter value) between Akainu's displayed feats and what the interpretation of that statement would give him makes me a bit cautious.

Akainu's DF calculated feats pail in comparison to most of what he scales to, so they fall under outliers or AoE.
We should prioritize official statements over any fan-calculations, imo.

 

[Marlinmarley]

Yeah, it doesn't seem like a safe option. I'm going with B anyway

What king wanted to say

He lifted before the movie started, multiple islands high in the sky... but he managed to kept the islands moving in the sky for days during the whole movie and planned to send them to east blue, and the islands felt when luffy defeated him, implying shiki was lifting it up and once KOed his df stopped working, wonder if lifting all those islands up tired and nerfed him up, so like it's a feat he started before the movie, but he kept accomplishing during the movie

 

[Damage3245]

Akainu's DF calculated feats pail in comparison to most of what he scales to, so they fall under outliers or AoE.
We should prioritize official statements over any fan-calculations, imo.

I didn't mean his calculated feats; I meant his actual feats in combat versus other characters.