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One Piece High 7-A Field Day (Wano+ Edition)
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The Yonko are definitely being downplayed for sure, but it will be temporary as i'm pretty certain the 6-C feat for Kaido will apply.
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I THINK I finished applying the edits to all relevant characters. May need some double-checking (also forgot to link the thread to a few of the pages. The layout of the wiki editing page is different from what I remember, sorry).
If everything is settled, we can focus on other topics since the Wano stuff should remain untouched from this point until the conclusion of Act 3 (at least).
If everything is settled, we can focus on other topics since the Wano stuff should remain untouched from this point until the conclusion of Act 3 (at least).
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Before this thread closes, I would like to argue for an upgrade for Raid Suit Sanji.
I don't have right now the time to do It, but I will send the argument soon.
I don't have right now the time to do It, but I will send the argument soon.
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Don't do it now, wait for the other Wano related upgrades.
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Let's wait till Wano is over to see more consistent feats
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Do I have to?
It's actually a really fast argument.
On this wiki we have Sanji scaling from Vergo, because he could had some kick clashes with him.
And well, what has done Sanji with King? The same thing, or even better since his leg doesn't crack or anything.
And he took dinosaur form King's blow without reporting any damage.
You can't tell me that Apoo scales from Luffy's durability thanks to a surprise attack, but that Sanji's durability doesn't scale to King's attack.
Why this is consistent? Because Sanji has always been comparable to Zoro.
So 7-A+ Sanji makes sense not only because of his feats, but also because lorewise he should not be far from Zoro.
This also actually helps Zoro's current ratings.
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@CinCameron20 I personally find at least High 7-A an absurd lowball, but yes I am fine with it for right now (Please let it be temporary). While you're editing the Yonko I suggest you fix the scaling descriptions as well since they changed too when reverting to 6-C and are inaccurate.
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If Oda doesn't give us indisputable AP feats over the next few chapters since both Big Mom and Kaido are present and ready to fight, I will tear my hair out.
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Screw that.
I need the Sub-Atomization of Onigashima happening via Kaido's fire before chapter 1010.
I need the Sub-Atomization of Onigashima happening via Kaido's fire before chapter 1010.
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WTH? Stop with the downplay already, Kaido will destroy the moon to stop Bepo Sulong from instakilling him, before chapter 1002.
Also, any other opinions about 7A+ Raid Suit? As i said before this shouldn't have started now, but since it is here already we should finish this.
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People when there is an upgrade for Lolonoa Zolo:
People when there is an upgrade for Vinsmoke D. Wanji:
Why? T_T
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Smth no one remembers is Enel's 6-C attack.
Hes likely coming back at some point and it make no sense if he didnt use it on someone.
Hes likely coming back at some point and it make no sense if he didnt use it on someone.
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Was that lightning caused by the golden boat or his own power?
We can backscale off that for Large Mountain Enel since it says it multiplies his power by 10
We can backscale off that for Large Mountain Enel since it says it multiplies his power by 10
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@KingTempest; a multiplier is not given in the official translation.
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@Lgamer099_99 - 7-A+ Durability for Raid Suit Sanji is acceptable, but 7-A+ AP isn't exactly supported since he was shown incapable of taking down Page One (I think the most he did was cause almost no bleeding--Also the fact that Page overpowered Sanji's Raid Suit kick and sent him flying as well), and King very quickly overpowered him. I'd wait on changing anything outside of 7-A+ durability as I'm sure Sanji will show some feats before the arc ends.
(Also Sanji traded numerous blows with Vergo before his leg cracked. Sanji's leg was giving way to King's kick from one instance and he was quickly grappled)
@Antvasima - I did change the Tier 6 category to Tier 7 (I messed up on the first edit for Kaido, but quickly changed that).
At least High 7-A, Likely higher will have to do for now until we get more accepted feats (next thread incoming)
@Dr.Fix - I'll look through them and make sure descriptions line up and are acceptable.
(Also Sanji traded numerous blows with Vergo before his leg cracked. Sanji's leg was giving way to King's kick from one instance and he was quickly grappled)
@Antvasima - I did change the Tier 6 category to Tier 7 (I messed up on the first edit for Kaido, but quickly changed that).
At least High 7-A, Likely higher will have to do for now until we get more accepted feats (next thread incoming)
@Dr.Fix - I'll look through them and make sure descriptions line up and are acceptable.
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Well, against Page One he lifted his leg to parry the attack and was thrown to a building, but lifting a leg to stop an attack is << giving a kick.
Also, Sanji and King's clash has some visible lightnings, suggesting that the cook used haki, while this didn't happen with Page One.
Sanji also thought that Usopp would have been able to protect Nami from Page One and when the Vinsmoke met X-Drake he didn't feel like he needed his raid suit (when he knew from Law that Drake was at least comparable to Page One).
So all of this suggests that Sanji was playing with Page One, testing his raid suit without using haki or being serious.
King was of course superior, never said otherwise, but Sanji should partially scale, since King scales above some wharacters who are 7A+.
King >= Queen > Jack > X-Drake >=< Apoo, right?
So we have all the space to put Sanji 7A+, while being inferior to King.
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Sanji has yet to actually prove that he matches them in AP:
When he clashed with Page (whether it was a parry or a direct attack, it isn't proven otherwise), he was overpowered. Hybrid Page > Raid Suit Sanji AP
Sanji not using the Suit against Drake does not prove anything when they had only a very short encounter, and Drake was still the dominant one in the skirmish. (semi)Full Transform Drake AP/Dura > Sanji's AP
Whether Sanji used Haki or not doesn't necessarily matter given that he still came up short in the clash. Sanji's not low enough in the 7-A tier to justify a "partial scaling" since his AP in general is high enough to somewhat contend with Base King's AP without being flat out stomped. If Sanji used Haki, this is even worse for him since it would not even scale to his flat AP at all. Base King AP > Raid Suit Sanji's AP
In the AP department, we can assess that Sanji would not have enough to warrent a 7-A+ since he could not match any of the 7-A+ characters in power.
Hybrid Page = Hybrid Ulti > Base Ulti which is slightly< Base Luffy's Dura (Due to only giving him very small scratches) = Flat-line 7-A+. Hybrid Page overpowered Sanji and sent him flying with an attack and took very small damage from Raid Suit Sanji's attacks.
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Also, correction for the scaling of the characters:
King > Queen > Jack > Full Zoan X-Drake > Hybrid Drake = Apoo in terms of power as far as we can determine.
When he clashed with Page (whether it was a parry or a direct attack, it isn't proven otherwise), he was overpowered. Hybrid Page > Raid Suit Sanji AP
Sanji not using the Suit against Drake does not prove anything when they had only a very short encounter, and Drake was still the dominant one in the skirmish. (semi)Full Transform Drake AP/Dura > Sanji's AP
Whether Sanji used Haki or not doesn't necessarily matter given that he still came up short in the clash. Sanji's not low enough in the 7-A tier to justify a "partial scaling" since his AP in general is high enough to somewhat contend with Base King's AP without being flat out stomped. If Sanji used Haki, this is even worse for him since it would not even scale to his flat AP at all. Base King AP > Raid Suit Sanji's AP
In the AP department, we can assess that Sanji would not have enough to warrent a 7-A+ since he could not match any of the 7-A+ characters in power.
Hybrid Page = Hybrid Ulti > Base Ulti which is slightly< Base Luffy's Dura (Due to only giving him very small scratches) = Flat-line 7-A+. Hybrid Page overpowered Sanji and sent him flying with an attack and took very small damage from Raid Suit Sanji's attacks.
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Also, correction for the scaling of the characters:
King > Queen > Jack > Full Zoan X-Drake > Hybrid Drake = Apoo in terms of power as far as we can determine.
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Disagree, It was just a parry and Oda's intention was to show Raid Suit's durability.
Sanji tried his suit, and he tried all of It, he had to try the durability too, so he let Page One do what he did and he was fine.
Before the beginning of the fight, Sanji literally threw Page One to the ground with a simple kick.
Even better for my argument.
Dinosaur form Drake > Hybrid Drake > Base Drake > Base Ulti.
Sanji fought against Dinosaur Drake and only got a small bruise from a tail attack and you can't say this doesn't scale to his durability, because on this site we have this reasons for Perospero's durability:
"Took two punches from Vinsmoke Ichiji and only suffered a small bruise to the cheek"
So be consistent, if Perospero's durability has this reasons for his rating, Sanji can absolutely scale to the tail attack.
It's the same feat, same situation, but done from different characters. Be equal for all the characters, even though you don't like Sanji.
I can argue for 7A+ base Sanji's dura and saying "Took a tail attack from dinosaur form Drake and only suffered a small bruise to the cheek".
I can even argue for 7A+ Sanji without his suit, so O-Soba Mask being 7A+ is completely safe to say.
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Here my suggestion.
Wano Sanji.
AP : 7A+ (threw Page One to the ground with a simple kick), higher with Diable Jambe, even higher with Poele a Frire | 7A+ as Soba-Mask ( Could kick clashes with King and lightnings where visible during their clashes), higher with Diable Jambe, even higher with Poele a Frire.
Durability: 7A+ (Took a tail attack from dinosaur form Drake and only suffered a small bruise to the cheek) | 7A+ as Soba Mask (Raid Suits from Germa 66 increase the overall defense of the one wearing it by adding a layer of armor. Sanji noted that a strike from Page One would have hurt him a lot more had he not been wearing the suit. Withstood without any major injuries an attack from Full Zoan form King, the blow should have been split his stomach in half, but Sanji was fine after It and was pissed about Raid suit's durability)
For the even higher with Poiele a Frire, here why:
Wano Sanji.
AP : 7A+ (threw Page One to the ground with a simple kick), higher with Diable Jambe, even higher with Poele a Frire | 7A+ as Soba-Mask ( Could kick clashes with King and lightnings where visible during their clashes), higher with Diable Jambe, even higher with Poele a Frire.
Durability: 7A+ (Took a tail attack from dinosaur form Drake and only suffered a small bruise to the cheek) | 7A+ as Soba Mask (Raid Suits from Germa 66 increase the overall defense of the one wearing it by adding a layer of armor. Sanji noted that a strike from Page One would have hurt him a lot more had he not been wearing the suit. Withstood without any major injuries an attack from Full Zoan form King, the blow should have been split his stomach in half, but Sanji was fine after It and was pissed about Raid suit's durability)
For the even higher with Poiele a Frire, here why:
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I dont even understand why we didn't use Kaido's feat. Kaido and yonkou commanders being the same league is really better for you and site? This is bullshit. 3 different league is now at the same tier and same energy. And what is that hurry? When it comes to upgrade, you say two things. "it makes no sense" or "we should wait for new feats" but when it comes a downgrade, you update the page instantly, ignoring and without even caring about the opinions of others. I 'm starting to think you dont wanna be upgrade this verse.
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What do you think @Damage3245 ?
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Well, One Piece is my favourite series right now, so I am definitely not opposed to warranted upgrades, but the Kaido feat was based on some sort of levitation, not his physical raw power.
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Cin has had some objections to the Sanji upgrade, so I'd prefer for him to have a chance to respond and continue the discussion if he wishes.
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Let's wait for Cin then, even though I think it's unaccessary, and you could give your idea, you still have read the manga! You should have your personal opinion, right?
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@Damage3245
Should Kaido get "At least Large Mountain level, likely higher, physically. At least Island level+ via environmental destruction"? He could technically just drop a giant object he has levitated on something after all.
Should Kaido get "At least Large Mountain level, likely higher, physically. At least Island level+ via environmental destruction"? He could technically just drop a giant object he has levitated on something after all.
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I disagree with the RS being it's own key, and i also disagree with Poele A Frire being stronger than other attacks.
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After this Sanji debate, this can be closed.
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@Antvasima; I believe that would be just Island level with Environmental Destruction (the calc was remade to 30+ Gigatons).
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Ok, ok.
Does everyone agree with this then?
Wano Sanji
AP : 7A+ (threw Page One to the ground with a simple kick), higher with Diable Jambe, even higher as Soba-Mask ( Could kick clashes with King and lightnings where visible during their clashes)
Durability: 7A+ (Took a tail attack from dinosaur form Drake and only suffered a small bruise to the cheek), higher as Soba Mask (Raid Suits from Germa 66 increase the overall defense of the one wearing it by adding a layer of armor. Sanji noted that a strike from Page One would have hurt him a lot more had he not been wearing the suit. Withstood without any major injuries an attack from Full Zoan form King, the blow should have been split his stomach in half, but Sanji was fine after It and was pissed about Raid suit's durability)
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Yes. I just noticed when I checked, but an island being 90% hollow seems like a very unreasonable extreme lowball, so the calculation should probably be adjusted.
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I responded to that. I believe the person who made the original calc didn't understand what was being calced there. It's not the fortress or the island that has 90% hollowness.
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This is the time when we need a low tier to do several 6-C feats, the fact so much of One Piece is only 7-A is making me sad 
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